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.....bugger lol laugh Cheers Pavel.K wink

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Originally Posted by Pavel.K
Originally Posted by wayne33yrs
Evening all, hope everyone's well smile After a couple of weeks on page 1 of my piece, it's dawned on me that I may have made a huge mistake. I've been playing the notes (circled in red below) seperatly, and thinking that it would all come together properly when up to speed. .........but on listening to the piece (slowed down in media player) I think that maybe I should be playing them all together. If this is the case, I'm gonna have to start all over again, as it would affect the fingering etc. Can anyone shed any light on this for me, it would be much appreciated wink




Hi Wayne, I am sorry.
I am afraid they should be played together and not separately (in time).
They are drawn a little aside to distinguish different voices. It seems to me there are four voices, all in 2/4 meter.
But wait for answer from someone with more experience to be sure about it.


Pavel is correct - all one chord.

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Originally Posted by Sam S
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Originally Posted by wayne33yrs
Evening all, hope everyone's well smile After a couple of weeks on page 1 of my piece, it's dawned on me that I may have made a huge mistake. I've been playing the notes (circled in red below) seperatly, and thinking that it would all come together properly when up to speed. .........but on listening to the piece (slowed down in media player) I think that maybe I should be playing them all together. If this is the case, I'm gonna have to start all over again, as it would affect the fingering etc. Can anyone shed any light on this for me, it would be much appreciated wink




Hi Wayne, I am sorry.
I am afraid they should be played together and not separately (in time).
They are drawn a little aside to distinguish different voices. It seems to me there are four voices, all in 2/4 meter.
But wait for answer from someone with more experience to be sure about it.


Pavel is correct - all one chord.

Sam
The good news is that it's not too late to change your fingering for this, and you have lots of time yet. Just work that measure slowly and you'll get it.


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OK, if no one objects, I'm going to claim all of Op. 2. Of course, anyone else who would like to play them is welcome to! smile


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Op. 1 No. 1. Scherzo a la russe
Op. 1 No. 2. Impromptu (patH)

Op. 2 No. 1. Ruines d'un chateau (Morodiene)
Op. 2 No. 2. Scherzo (Morodiene)
Op. 2 No. 3. Chant sans paroles (Morodiene)


Op. 4 Valse caprice in D major
Op. 5 Romance in F minor (Ganddalf)
Op. 7 Valse-scherzo No. 1 in A major
Op. 8 Capriccio in G flat major

Op. 9 No. 1. Reverie
Op. 9 No. 2. Polka de salon
Op. 9 No. 3. Mazurka de salon

Op. 10 No. 1. Nocturne in F major (Valencia)
Op. 10 No. 2. Humoresque in E minor

Op. 19 No. 1. Reverie du soir (Dipsy)
Op. 19 No. 2. Scherzo humoristique
Op. 19 No. 3. Album Leaf (zrtf90)
Op. 19 No. 4. Nocturne (Rupak Bhattacharya)
Op. 19 No. 5. Capriccioso
Op. 19 No. 6. Theme originale et variations

Op. 21 No. 1. Prelude in B major
Op. 21 No. 2. Fugue a 4 voix in G sharp minor
Op. 21 No. 3. Impromptu in C sharp minor
Op. 21 No. 4. Marche funebre in A flat minor
Op. 21 No. 5. Mazurque in A flat minor
Op. 21 No. 6. Scherzo in A flat major

Op. 37 No. 1 January: By the Fireside
Op. 37 No. 2 February: Carnival
Op. 37 No. 3 March: Song of the Lark (SwissMS)
Op. 37 No. 4 April: Snowdrop (Pavel.K)
Op. 37 No. 5 May: White Nights
Op. 37 No. 6 June: Barcarolle (Sam S)
Op. 37 No. 7 July: Song of the Reaper
Op. 37 No. 8 August: The Harvest (dire tonic)
Op. 37 No. 9 September: The Hunt
Op. 37 No. 10 October: Autumn Song (Andy Platt)
Op. 37 No. 11 November: Troika
Op. 37 No. 12 December: Christmas (carlos88)

Op. 39 No. 1. Morning Prayer (casinitaly)
Op. 39 No. 2. Winter Morning
Op. 39 No. 3. Mamma
Op. 39 No. 4. Hobbyhorse
Op. 39 No. 5. The Toy Soldiers' March
Op. 39 No. 6. The New Doll (ClsscLib)
Op. 39 No. 7. The Sick Doll (earlofmar)
Op. 39 No. 8. The Doll's Funeral (ajames)
Op. 39 No. 9. Waltz
Op. 39 No. 10. Polka
Op. 39 No. 11. Mazurka (MrPozor)
Op. 39 No. 12. Russian Song (Johnny D)
Op. 39 No. 13. Peasant Prelude
Op. 39 No. 14. Popular Song
Op. 39 No. 15. Italian Song (sinophilia)
Op. 39 No. 16. Old French Song (Recaredo)
Op. 39 No. 17. German Song (sydnal)
Op. 39 No. 18. Neapolitan Song (IreneAdler)
Op. 39 No. 19. A Nursery Tale
Op. 39 No. 20. The Witch Baba Yaga (jfmartins)
Op. 39 No. 21. Sweet Dreams (AimeeO)
Op. 39 No. 22. The Lark (tangleweeds)
Op. 39 No. 23. At Church (AZ_Astro)
Op. 39 No. 24. The Organ-Grinder's Song

Op. 40 No. 1. Etude
Op. 40 No. 2. Chanson triste (Greener)
Op. 40 No. 3. Marche funebre
Op. 40 No. 4. Mazurka in C major
Op. 40 No. 5. Mazurka in D major
Op. 40 No. 6. Chant sans paroles
Op. 40 No. 7. Au village
Op. 40 No. 8. Valse in A flat major (timmyab)
Op. 40 No. 9. Valse in F sharp minor (PikaPianist)
Op. 40 No. 10. Danse russe
Op. 40 No. 11. Scherzo
Op. 40 No. 12. Reverie interrompue

Op. 51 No. 1. Valse de salon
Op. 51 No. 2. Polka peu dansante
Op. 51 No. 3. Menuetto scherzoso
Op. 51 No. 4. Natha-valse
Op. 51 No. 5. Romance
Op. 51 No. 6. Valse sentimentale (lyricmudra)

Op. 72 No. 1. Impromptu (Peterws)
Op. 72 No. 2. Berceuse (MaryBee)
Op. 72 No. 3. Tendres reproches
Op. 72 No. 4. Danse caracteristique
Op. 72 No. 5. Meditation
Op. 72 No. 6. Mazurka pour danser
Op. 72 No. 7. Polacca de concert
Op. 72 No. 8. Dialogue
Op. 72 No. 9. Un poco di Schumann (Wayne32yrs)
Op. 72 No. 10. Scherzo-fantaisie
Op. 72 No. 11. Valse bluette
Op. 72 No. 12. L'espiegle
Op. 72 No. 13. Echo rustique
Op. 72 No. 14. Chant elegiaque
Op. 72 No. 15. Un poco di Chopin
Op. 72 No. 16. Valse a cinq temps
Op. 72 No. 17. Passe lointain
Op. 72 No. 18. Scene dansante: invitation au trepak

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Cheers guys, sort of sorted it, remind me not to learn owt wrong in the first place again lol, wink

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jfmartins - I was hoping someone would claim "The Witch"! Glad to see it has found a performer.


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Hi guys.

I did not know this piece until yesterday, while I was hearing some of them on youtube.
How much I was missing by not knowing Tchaikovsky's piano works!

I'm waiting to hear your much more chalenging choice, MaryBee!



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Maybe too optimistic, but I have selected two additional pieces from Op.72.


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Op. 1 No. 1. Scherzo a la russe
Op. 1 No. 2. Impromptu (patH)

Op. 2 No. 1. Ruines d'un chateau (Morodiene)
Op. 2 No. 2. Scherzo (Morodiene)
Op. 2 No. 3. Chant sans paroles (Morodiene)


Op. 4 Valse caprice in D major
Op. 5 Romance in F minor (Ganddalf)
Op. 7 Valse-scherzo No. 1 in A major
Op. 8 Capriccio in G flat major

Op. 9 No. 1. Reverie
Op. 9 No. 2. Polka de salon
Op. 9 No. 3. Mazurka de salon

Op. 10 No. 1. Nocturne in F major (Valencia)
Op. 10 No. 2. Humoresque in E minor

Op. 19 No. 1. Reverie du soir (Dipsy)
Op. 19 No. 2. Scherzo humoristique
Op. 19 No. 3. Album Leaf (zrtf90)
Op. 19 No. 4. Nocturne (Rupak Bhattacharya)
Op. 19 No. 5. Capriccioso
Op. 19 No. 6. Theme originale et variations

Op. 21 No. 1. Prelude in B major
Op. 21 No. 2. Fugue a 4 voix in G sharp minor
Op. 21 No. 3. Impromptu in C sharp minor
Op. 21 No. 4. Marche funebre in A flat minor
Op. 21 No. 5. Mazurque in A flat minor
Op. 21 No. 6. Scherzo in A flat major

Op. 37 No. 1 January: By the Fireside
Op. 37 No. 2 February: Carnival
Op. 37 No. 3 March: Song of the Lark (SwissMS)
Op. 37 No. 4 April: Snowdrop (Pavel.K)
Op. 37 No. 5 May: White Nights
Op. 37 No. 6 June: Barcarolle (Sam S)
Op. 37 No. 7 July: Song of the Reaper
Op. 37 No. 8 August: The Harvest (dire tonic)
Op. 37 No. 9 September: The Hunt
Op. 37 No. 10 October: Autumn Song (Andy Platt)
Op. 37 No. 11 November: Troika
Op. 37 No. 12 December: Christmas (carlos88)

Op. 39 No. 1. Morning Prayer (casinitaly)
Op. 39 No. 2. Winter Morning
Op. 39 No. 3. Mamma
Op. 39 No. 4. Hobbyhorse
Op. 39 No. 5. The Toy Soldiers' March
Op. 39 No. 6. The New Doll (ClsscLib)
Op. 39 No. 7. The Sick Doll (earlofmar)
Op. 39 No. 8. The Doll's Funeral (ajames)
Op. 39 No. 9. Waltz
Op. 39 No. 10. Polka
Op. 39 No. 11. Mazurka (MrPozor)
Op. 39 No. 12. Russian Song (Johnny D)
Op. 39 No. 13. Peasant Prelude
Op. 39 No. 14. Popular Song
Op. 39 No. 15. Italian Song (sinophilia)
Op. 39 No. 16. Old French Song (Recaredo)
Op. 39 No. 17. German Song (sydnal)
Op. 39 No. 18. Neapolitan Song (IreneAdler)
Op. 39 No. 19. A Nursery Tale
Op. 39 No. 20. The Witch Baba Yaga (jfmartins)
Op. 39 No. 21. Sweet Dreams (AimeeO)
Op. 39 No. 22. The Lark (tangleweeds)
Op. 39 No. 23. At Church (AZ_Astro)
Op. 39 No. 24. The Organ-Grinder's Song

Op. 40 No. 1. Etude
Op. 40 No. 2. Chanson triste (Greener)
Op. 40 No. 3. Marche funebre
Op. 40 No. 4. Mazurka in C major
Op. 40 No. 5. Mazurka in D major
Op. 40 No. 6. Chant sans paroles
Op. 40 No. 7. Au village
Op. 40 No. 8. Valse in A flat major (timmyab)
Op. 40 No. 9. Valse in F sharp minor (PikaPianist)
Op. 40 No. 10. Danse russe
Op. 40 No. 11. Scherzo
Op. 40 No. 12. Reverie interrompue

Op. 51 No. 1. Valse de salon
Op. 51 No. 2. Polka peu dansante
Op. 51 No. 3. Menuetto scherzoso
Op. 51 No. 4. Natha-valse
Op. 51 No. 5. Romance
Op. 51 No. 6. Valse sentimentale (lyricmudra)

Op. 72 No. 1. Impromptu (Peterws)
Op. 72 No. 2. Berceuse (MaryBee)
Op. 72 No. 3. Tendres reproches
Op. 72 No. 4. Danse caracteristique
Op. 72 No. 5. Meditation (Ganddalf)
Op. 72 No. 6. Mazurka pour danser
Op. 72 No. 7. Polacca de concert
Op. 72 No. 8. Dialogue
Op. 72 No. 9. Un poco di Schumann (Wayne32yrs)
Op. 72 No. 10. Scherzo-fantaisie
Op. 72 No. 11. Valse bluette
Op. 72 No. 12. L'espiegle
Op. 72 No. 13. Echo rustique
Op. 72 No. 14. Chant elegiaque
Op. 72 No. 15. Un poco di Chopin
Op. 72 No. 16. Valse a cinq temps (Ganddalf)
Op. 72 No. 17. Passe lointain
Op. 72 No. 18. Scene dansante: invitation au trepak

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Ganddalf, looking forward to hearing "Meditation"!


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Originally Posted by MaryBee
Ganddalf, looking forward to hearing "Meditation"!


Well, I hope that I'll be able to do it justice. It is technically difficult, but so beautiful that I couldn't resist signing up for it. Tchaikovsky's most beautiful piano composition?

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Oh no! Tchaikovsky's most beautiful piano composition is Old French Song, without a doubt. grin

Cheers Ganddalf wink

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Originally Posted by Recaredo
Oh no! Tchaikovsky's most beautiful piano composition is Old French Song, without a doubt. grin

Cheers Ganddalf wink


Right! Look forward to your interpretation. smile

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This is my second themed recital but I never really had time to catch my breath on the Grieg recital because I started very late. This time around I'm ahead of the curve, thankfully!

I recorded my piece today for the first time: In Church, Op 39 no 23. Technically it's very easy but there are depths to the piece that I am only now noticing.

First of all, the dynamics range from ppp to F, and I am trying to be faithful to these (and learn these dynamics along the way). Much work still to be done there, I'm afraid.

Second, I have been overusing the pedal. Not too much, but after listening to my recording I realized that I was carrying over some unwanted overtones into the next chord. Wrong!

I have been thinking about the pacing of the piece and went back and listened to the two professional recordings of this piece, one by Pletnev and the other by Biret. The piece is indicated as LARGO which according to Wikipedia means 50-55 BPM. Well, Biret plays it at about 40 and Pletnev 30+ to 40. And 50 sounds way too fast to me anyway. I mean, the title is: In Church! Sounds like a stately measured pace to me!

I also found my chords to lack precision in attack, meaning I wasn't hitting all the notes at the same time. So another thing to work on.

As a self-taught learner, I am sure that a teacher would have jumped on these in short order.

Anyway, an interesting learning experience and one that I wanted to share.

I am going to go take a listen to Ganddalf's piece "Valse a cinq temps" right now to see what it sounds like. Maybe I've heard it before!

I have found 4 or 5 of the Opus 39 pieces to be worth learning on my own, and I may pick up another selection later on. [If Joplin acquiesces, methinks.]

Best wishes

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Originally Posted by Ganddalf

Well, I hope that I'll be able to do it justice. It is technically difficult, but so beautiful that I couldn't resist signing up for it. Tchaikovsky's most beautiful piano composition?


I listened to all 3 of the pieces that you are going to play, and found myself swept away by the Romance in F minor. How is that one going for you?



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Originally Posted by AZ_Astro
Originally Posted by Ganddalf

Well, I hope that I'll be able to do it justice. It is technically difficult, but so beautiful that I couldn't resist signing up for it. Tchaikovsky's most beautiful piano composition?


I listened to all 3 of the pieces that you are going to play, and found myself swept away by the Romance in F minor. How is that one going for you?



Well, the Romance is not polyphonic in the same sense as Bach music, but it has many fine melodic lines in the lower and middle voices that require attention from the person playing. It also has a few awkward ornaments, and it is not an easy piece. But I hope that I'll be able to give it a decent interpretation.
I received the score of the Op.72 pieces just a few days ago, and I'm afraid I'll have to struggle more with them. Actually the Meditation has some similarities to the Romance with some important melodic lines in the middle voices. The more I work with it the more fond of it I get. And the 5/4 waltz is a very charming piece.

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Originally Posted by AZ_Astro
Originally Posted by Ganddalf

Well, I hope that I'll be able to do it justice. It is technically difficult, but so beautiful that I couldn't resist signing up for it. Tchaikovsky's most beautiful piano composition?


I listened to all 3 of the pieces that you are going to play, and found myself swept away by the Romance in F minor. How is that one going for you?



Well, the Romance is not polyphonic in the same sense as Bach music, but it has many fine melodic lines in the lower and middle voices that require attention from the person playing. It also has a few awkward ornaments, and it is not an easy piece. But I hope that I'll be able to give it a decent interpretation.
I received the score of the Op.72 pieces just a few days ago, and I'm afraid I'll have to struggle more with them. Actually the Meditation has some similarities to the Romance with some important melodic lines in the middle voices. The more I work with it the more fond of it I get. And the 5/4 waltz is a very charming piece.



I found the Meditation to be thoughtful (what a surprise) and the Valse to be playful. You've taken on a big load but I'm sure you are up to the task at hand.


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The Tchaikovsky Themed Recital is due to take place April 15.

To preserve existing selections, always QUOTE from the latest list then, in any order:

-- Delete the initial "[quote=<name> ]"
-- Delete the final "[/quote ]"
-- Add your name and the bold tags, "[b ]" and "[/b ]", around your chosen piece.

Then submit the new list.
A 30sec clip is available of each piece in the same order as below @ Deezer (If you sign up or in with FB, the whole pieces can be played for free)
Or here, if you're restricted from the above due to your location:
All Music
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Op. 1 No. 1. Scherzo a la russe
Op. 1 No. 2. Impromptu (patH)

Op. 2 No. 1. Ruines d'un chateau (Morodiene)
Op. 2 No. 2. Scherzo (Morodiene)
Op. 2 No. 3. Chant sans paroles (Morodiene)


Op. 4 Valse caprice in D major
Op. 5 Romance in F minor (Ganddalf)
Op. 7 Valse-scherzo No. 1 in A major
Op. 8 Capriccio in G flat major

Op. 9 No. 1. Reverie
Op. 9 No. 2. Polka de salon
Op. 9 No. 3. Mazurka de salon

Op. 10 No. 1. Nocturne in F major (Valencia)
Op. 10 No. 2. Humoresque in E minor

Op. 19 No. 1. Reverie du soir (Dipsy)
Op. 19 No. 2. Scherzo humoristique
Op. 19 No. 3. Album Leaf (zrtf90)
Op. 19 No. 4. Nocturne (Rupak Bhattacharya)
Op. 19 No. 5. Capriccioso
Op. 19 No. 6. Theme originale et variations

Op. 21 No. 1. Prelude in B major
Op. 21 No. 2. Fugue a 4 voix in G sharp minor
Op. 21 No. 3. Impromptu in C sharp minor
Op. 21 No. 4. Marche funebre in A flat minor
Op. 21 No. 5. Mazurque in A flat minor
Op. 21 No. 6. Scherzo in A flat major

Op. 37 No. 1 January: By the Fireside
Op. 37 No. 2 February: Carnival
Op. 37 No. 3 March: Song of the Lark (SwissMS)
Op. 37 No. 4 April: Snowdrop (Pavel.K)
Op. 37 No. 5 May: White Nights
Op. 37 No. 6 June: Barcarolle (Sam S)
Op. 37 No. 7 July: Song of the Reaper
Op. 37 No. 8 August: The Harvest (dire tonic)
Op. 37 No. 9 September: The Hunt
Op. 37 No. 10 October: Autumn Song (Andy Platt)
Op. 37 No. 11 November: Troika
Op. 37 No. 12 December: Christmas (carlos88)

Op. 39 No. 1. Morning Prayer (casinitaly)
Op. 39 No. 2. Winter Morning
Op. 39 No. 3. Mamma
Op. 39 No. 4. Hobbyhorse
Op. 39 No. 5. The Toy Soldiers' March
Op. 39 No. 6. The New Doll (ClsscLib)
Op. 39 No. 7. The Sick Doll (earlofmar)
Op. 39 No. 8. The Doll's Funeral (ajames)
Op. 39 No. 9. Waltz
Op. 39 No. 10. Polka
Op. 39 No. 11. Mazurka (MrPozor)
Op. 39 No. 12. Russian Song (Johnny D)
Op. 39 No. 13. Peasant Prelude
Op. 39 No. 14. Popular Song
Op. 39 No. 15. Italian Song (sinophilia)
Op. 39 No. 16. Old French Song (Recaredo)
Op. 39 No. 17. German Song (sydnal)
Op. 39 No. 18. Neapolitan Song (IreneAdler)
Op. 39 No. 19. A Nursery Tale
Op. 39 No. 20. The Witch Baba Yaga (jfmartins)
Op. 39 No. 21. Sweet Dreams (AimeeO)
Op. 39 No. 22. The Lark
Op. 39 No. 23. At Church (AZ_Astro)
Op. 39 No. 24. The Organ-Grinder's Song

Op. 40 No. 1. Etude
Op. 40 No. 2. Chanson triste (Greener)
Op. 40 No. 3. Marche funebre
Op. 40 No. 4. Mazurka in C major
Op. 40 No. 5. Mazurka in D major
Op. 40 No. 6. Chant sans paroles
Op. 40 No. 7. Au village
Op. 40 No. 8. Valse in A flat major (timmyab)
Op. 40 No. 9. Valse in F sharp minor (PikaPianist)
Op. 40 No. 10. Danse russe
Op. 40 No. 11. Scherzo
Op. 40 No. 12. Reverie interrompue

Op. 51 No. 1. Valse de salon
Op. 51 No. 2. Polka peu dansante
Op. 51 No. 3. Menuetto scherzoso
Op. 51 No. 4. Natha-valse
Op. 51 No. 5. Romance
Op. 51 No. 6. Valse sentimentale (lyricmudra)

Op. 72 No. 1. Impromptu (Peterws)
Op. 72 No. 2. Berceuse (MaryBee)
Op. 72 No. 3. Tendres reproches
Op. 72 No. 4. Danse caracteristique
Op. 72 No. 5. Meditation (Ganddalf)
Op. 72 No. 6. Mazurka pour danser
Op. 72 No. 7. Polacca de concert
Op. 72 No. 8. Dialogue
Op. 72 No. 9. Un poco di Schumann (Wayne32yrs)
Op. 72 No. 10. Scherzo-fantaisie
Op. 72 No. 11. Valse bluette
Op. 72 No. 12. L'espiegle
Op. 72 No. 13. Echo rustique
Op. 72 No. 14. Chant elegiaque
Op. 72 No. 15. Un poco di Chopin
Op. 72 No. 16. Valse a cinq temps (Ganddalf)
Op. 72 No. 17. Passe lointain
Op. 72 No. 18. Scene dansante: invitation au trepak

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Evening all, I removed Tangleweeds (as per other thread) any other takers? smile

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Originally Posted by wayne33yrs
Evening all, I removed Tangleweeds (as per other thread) any other takers? smile


Not a chance! I`m tangled up in the one I`m doin. It`s a bit of a mess right now . . .but I`m hopeful. Too far into it.


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