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#2173782 - 10/29/13 02:43 PM New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP!
Pa82mdd Offline
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Registered: 10/29/13
Posts: 15
This is my first post, so excuse me for any mistakes...

I am in the market for a New Yamaha U3 in Ebony for my daughter who has been learning for few years. We decided on this model after looking at several used/new Kawai & Yamaha pianos. We don't have the room for a grand piano and I don't want to purchase a used piano.

I spoke to two dealers and was quoted varied range of prices as their best prices (delivered with 9% taxes, bench & 2 tunings)

1. $9000 and then dropped to $7700
2. $8000, but I didn't challenge the price yet.

I have been searching the forums and the best quoted price I could find is $7000 which was posted in this forum in 2012.

Please help me with the daunting task of identifying a good price for a U3.





Edited by Pa82mdd (10/29/13 04:01 PM)

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#2173867 - 10/29/13 05:03 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
musicNow Offline
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Registered: 07/22/13
Posts: 120
Loc: California
Looks like you've done a good job already.

The $7,700 price is good. The best quote I was able to get recently was $8,150, inclusive of tax & delivery.

About a year ago there appears to have been a group buy in the SF Bay area for U1s and some U3s. I believe the U3 price was around $7K. And, I've been told that Yamaha had a price increase since then. I think you need to find 15+ people to make the group buy work for Yamaha dealers...

Would be interested to hear what you end up doing.


- Rick
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#2173890 - 10/29/13 05:41 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
Pa82mdd Offline
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Here is the post from 2012 where the price of $7000 is posted.


http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthrea...20of%20new.html

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#2173912 - 10/29/13 06:07 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
Dara Online   blank
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Originally Posted By: Pa82mdd
This is my first post, so excuse me for any mistakes...
Here is the post from 2012 where the price of $7000 is posted.


You are 10 years off in the thread you gave link to. That thread was from 2002.
Norbert, that was a humorous posting you made in that thread.

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#2173925 - 10/29/13 06:31 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
PianoWorksATL Offline
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Registered: 09/19/09
Posts: 2691
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Yamahas? Oh, they are free.

I accept that customers may not understand pricing, but it really is a shame when they can't accept a good deal when they are given one. And the whole idea of pre-sale prep is clearly out the window when you're buying a box. Good luck to you in your search.
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Pre-Owned: Yamaha, Kawai, Steinway & other fine pianos
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#2173939 - 10/29/13 07:01 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: PianoWorksATL]
anrpiano Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
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Loc: Chicago
Sam,

The OP may not understand what it means to buy a piano out of a box. Being their first piano, they may just ass u me that everything will be perfect just because the name says: Yamaha and certainly price is the ONLY consideration.

Oh, well. There may be a tech out there who gets an extra days work out of it.
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#2173945 - 10/29/13 07:16 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
Pa82mdd Offline
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Registered: 10/29/13
Posts: 15
Ooops I didn't realize that the post for $7000 was from 11 years back frown

I would be happy to accept a good deal, but sadly it's appears impossible to know if it's a good deal.

Thanks for the inputs and contributions. I would be interested to hear from someone who purchased a U3 recently, their experience and for how much. PM me if that works better.

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#2173957 - 10/29/13 07:32 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: anrpiano]
Pa82mdd Offline
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Registered: 10/29/13
Posts: 15
Originally Posted By: anrpiano

The OP may not understand what it means to buy a piano out of a box. Being their first piano, they may just ass u me that everything will be perfect just because the name says: Yamaha and certainly price is the ONLY consideration.


1000% correct. I wouldn't know the difference between a piano and a box. My assumption is that it's better to purchase a new Yamaha U3 vs trying my luck on craigslist or a gray market piano.

Please educate me as it appears that I am taking the incorrect road. I found the below post and am reading it now....

http://www.chicagopianos.com/buyingtips.htm

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#2173971 - 10/29/13 07:57 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
Minnesota Marty Offline

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Registered: 05/15/12
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Loc: Rochester MN
Hi Pa82mdd - Welcome to Piano World!

There is a guide which can help you with pricing on new pianos. It is the "A&D Piano Buyer" by Larry Fine. It is sort of the 'bible' around here and it includes all of the new list prices (MSRP), the most you could expect to pay (MSP), and a discount range to figure the usual "street price."

Here is a link to the free online version:

http://www.pianobuyer.com/

From the "Piano Buyer:"

Yamaha-U3, Ebony
MSRP - $12,999
SMP - $12,598

Walnut or Mahogany raise the price considerably. NOTE: these prices do not include any taxes, delivery or tunings.

You are being offered very good prices.

Have fun shopping.
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#2174007 - 10/29/13 08:54 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
PianoWorksATL Offline
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Registered: 09/19/09
Posts: 2691
Loc: Atlanta, GA
A U3 is a fine piano but the hyper-competitive market does not come without cost or ensure best value in a piano. The first cost is pre-sale service, but the bigger cost is your education. Even non-experts have ears and have listened to music before to develop preferences. That, along with a little education, may quickly help you discern between the greater variety of choices. The U3 may remain your final choice, but for many, it remains their "safe" choice rather than their "favorite" choice even among comparably priced instruments.

I certainly recommend staying away from craigslist. Gray market is not so clear-cut as it contains both some of the better and worst of the used market, though a good dealer can educate you here, too.

New is a good idea. I'm really enjoying a number of our competitive pianos. But if you can have a relationship with a dealer, used can be great, too. Last Friday, we delivered 6 used uprights to a university. The pianos chosen were a mix including a Yamaha U1 & U3, a Kawai K55, a Charles Walter 1520, a Mason & Hamlin 50, and a Hailun HU-1P.

The Piano Buyer (see nearby link) will be helpful to you, but not nearly as helpful as visiting and comparing a few different pianos first hand. If you knew what I know, you'd look at the U3 differently. I appreciate and respect that piano, but I would not simply default to it the way many customers, even many of our customers, do.
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#2174009 - 10/29/13 08:56 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
ECP Offline
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Registered: 10/07/09
Posts: 25
So a new U3 has a MSRP of $13000. which means the dealer cost is roughly $6500. Just guessing as I am not privy to Yamaha wholesale pricing. Then add delivery and prep of about $350. Total $6850. You can get a new U3 for $7700. minus 9% tax ($693), delivery ($150) and tuning ($100). Profit $93. This dealer is ruthless, get him/her to knock off a few more bucks.
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#2174017 - 10/29/13 09:03 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
anrpiano Offline
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Registered: 05/05/04
Posts: 174
Loc: Chicago
Originally Posted By: Pa82mdd
Originally Posted By: anrpiano

The OP may not understand what it means to buy a piano out of a box. Being their first piano, they may just ass u me that everything will be perfect just because the name says: Yamaha and certainly price is the ONLY consideration.


1000% correct. I wouldn't know the difference between a piano and a box. My assumption is that it's better to purchase a new Yamaha U3 vs trying my luck on craigslist or a gray market piano.

Please educate me as it appears that I am taking the incorrect road. I found the below post and am reading it now....

http://www.chicagopianos.com/buyingtips.htm



Sam is absolutely correct, go play the thing before you decide. If you play even just 3 U3's you will surprised at the difference which is present. Even more important than the best price is the amount of preparation which has been done after the piano comes out of its crate. You can trust that the lowest priced seller has done little to none. How could he? He is probably selling for only a few bucks over cost and proper prep work can cost a bit.

Go visit a dealer of Yamahas and another dealer of Kawai and then find several others. Get yourself educated before you make what is likely a once in a lifetime purchase. You will glad you did... and read Larry Fine's book.
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#2174098 - 10/30/13 12:56 AM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
musicNow Offline
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Registered: 07/22/13
Posts: 120
Loc: California
You might consider looking at some of the used European uprights. If you are in the SF Bay area, you might visit
Carnes piano in San Jose. Then travel down the street to the Yamaha dealer and see how they compare to the U3. I have
no affiliation with either dealership, but found it educational in my efforts on which direction to go. If you have
no intention of buying a grand piano in a few years, a few more dollars spent on the "right" upright may be a good idea.

Others may have some thoughts on some of the higher quality uprights coming out of China.

I think it has been suggested more than a few times on this forum that it can be helpful to bring along your music teacher or other experienced piano player if you need help discerning the differences in sound and responsiveness between pianos. Then again, the sound of a piano is to some extent a subjective experience.

- Rick
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#2174104 - 10/30/13 01:24 AM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
Retsacnal Offline

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Registered: 10/11/12
Posts: 476
Loc: Northern Virgina
If you're really looking for value, second-hand is probably the way to go. Don't be afraid of "gray market" pianos. Read this:

http://www.bluebookofpianos.com/grey.htm

Rick Jones has second-hand U3's starting at about $5300 listed on his website (http://rickjonespiano.com), with a ten year warranty, and ships nationwide. I'm not affiliated with Rick Jones, but seriously considered buying a piano there because he seemed like a pretty straight shooter on his website, and he has an excellent reputation on this site. My one visit to his shop was a pleasant experience, and they seemed as honest and friendly in person as they do online.

Ultimately, for maximum value, I decided to buy one of those "Craigslist" pianos that you're avoiding. I bought the same model I saw at Rick Jones for almost 10,000, and I paid less than $2000. It's not quite as shiny, and I don't have a ten year warranty, but the $8000 I saved will pay for a lot of work if it needs it.
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#2174258 - 10/30/13 10:38 AM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
frazbmw Offline
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Registered: 10/25/13
Posts: 3
Loc: Pennsylvania
If it helps I spent more than 7k on a new U1 OTD. Seems like a great price for a prepped U3. East coast however

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#2174261 - 10/30/13 10:49 AM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: PianoWorksATL]
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Registered: 06/26/08
Posts: 2280
Loc: Huntington Beach, CA
Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL

I accept that customers may not understand pricing, but it really is a shame when they can't accept a good deal when they are given one.


And who's fault is that, Sam? The customer's, or the industry's? Who established this pricing model?

Even car dealers are going away from this antiquated mode of selling. It's about time for the piano industry to change, also.
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#2174280 - 10/30/13 11:44 AM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Retsacnal]
Pa82mdd Offline
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Registered: 10/29/13
Posts: 15
Originally Posted By: Retsacnal
If you're really looking for value, second-hand is probably the way to go. Don't be afraid of "gray market" pianos.


I spoke to the piano teacher and other professionals. They mentioned getting burnt purchasing used pianos for their school, but it's fine for them as they are taking a calculated risk.

I did look at few "gray market" pianos at showrooms and at craigslist sales.

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#2174282 - 10/30/13 11:45 AM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: frazbmw]
Pa82mdd Offline
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Registered: 10/29/13
Posts: 15
Originally Posted By: frazbmw
If it helps I spent more than 7k on a new U1 OTD. Seems like a great price for a prepped U3. East coast however


Thanks. This is good info.

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#2174283 - 10/30/13 11:48 AM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: musicNow]
Pa82mdd Offline
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Posts: 15
Originally Posted By: musicNow
You might consider looking at some of the used European uprights. If you are in the SF Bay area.......
- Rick


I am not in SF area, but can you tell me the brand/models for the European uprights ?

Don't think I will lean towards used, but will look at the new pianos.

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#2174294 - 10/30/13 12:15 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
wimpiano Online   content
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Registered: 09/16/13
Posts: 1003
Loc: The Netherlands
A couple of Brands:
-Bechstein
-Petrof
-Sauter
-Schimmel
-Seiler
and so on....

Why don't you buy a used piano at a dealer? You don't have to tune it 4 times in the first year, you don't pay the "new premium". And most of the times you get a 5-10 year warranty.

The European piano's tend to be a bit more expensive then their Japanese counterparts.
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#2174302 - 10/30/13 12:32 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Plowboy]
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Posts: 787
Originally Posted By: Plowboy

And who's fault is that, Sam? The customer's, or the industry's? Who established this pricing model?

Even car dealers are going away from this antiquated mode of selling. It's about time for the piano industry to change, also.


I agree.

Perhaps the piano industry should adopt Macy's model. Have a sale every week from Wed-Sunday where half the store is marked down 25-50% off. That's your real price. Probably at the same rate of the old lady who walks in and thinks your prices are actually your prices, you'll get someone that comes in on a Mon-Tues who needs a piano NOW and make them pay the sticker price.

Or you could go with the grocery club card model. There's always some who are too lazy or worried about their personal info, don't want to sign-up, and don't mind paying double the real price.

I wonder how much of these stores' profits come from these types of shoppers.
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#2174323 - 10/30/13 12:56 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Plowboy]
PianoWorksATL Offline
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Registered: 09/19/09
Posts: 2691
Loc: Atlanta, GA
Originally Posted By: Plowboy
And who's fault is that, Sam? The customer's, or the industry's?
It was commentary, not personal criticism. I believe I have solutions that would significantly improve if not solve most of the issues, though getting industry wide acceptance is perhaps the bigger problem. It's just too small of an industry to properly force the issues, IMO.
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#2174329 - 10/30/13 01:05 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: wimpiano]
Pa82mdd Offline
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Registered: 10/29/13
Posts: 15
Originally Posted By: wimpiano
A couple of Brands:
-Bechstein
-Petrof
-Sauter
-Schimmel
-Seiler
and so on....

Why don't you buy a used piano at a dealer? You don't have to tune it 4 times in the first year, you don't pay the "new premium". And most of the times you get a 5-10 year warranty.

The European piano's tend to be a bit more expensive then their Japanese counterparts.


Thanks. I will take a look when I visit the dealer this week.

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#2174333 - 10/30/13 01:10 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: PianoWorksATL]
Plowboy Online   content
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Registered: 06/26/08
Posts: 2280
Loc: Huntington Beach, CA
Originally Posted By: PianoWorksATL
Originally Posted By: Plowboy
And who's fault is that, Sam? The customer's, or the industry's?
It was commentary, not personal criticism. I believe I have solutions that would significantly improve if not solve most of the issues, though getting industry wide acceptance is perhaps the bigger problem. It's just too small of an industry to properly force the issues, IMO.


Sam, I didn't think you were being critical of the poster at all. You've always come across as fair-minded here.

I'm truly interested in what your solutions are. Maybe in another thread, if you feel so inclined.

When you walk into a Steinway dealership, you know what the price is. Why shouldn't it be the same at a Yamaha dealer?
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#2174356 - 10/30/13 01:57 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Pa82mdd]
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Registered: 06/05/13
Posts: 787
I think for starters, dealers should print their prices on the web and quote over the phone. A Yamaha dealer said Yamaha prohibits them from doing that but I'm not completely convinced. I think this would encourage them to print their real prices since consumers would know early on what the prices actually are and can decide if they even want to visit that shop or not. So if they print inflated prices like many of them do now, they'll lose the foot traffic. I suppose they could have a "University Sale" every weekend.
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#2174360 - 10/30/13 02:13 PM Re: New Yamaha U3 pricing for West Coast ... HELP! [Re: Retsacnal]
Pa82mdd Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 10/29/13
Posts: 15
Originally Posted By: Retsacnal
If you're really looking for value, second-hand is probably the way to go. Don't be afraid of "gray market" pianos. Read this:

http://www.bluebookofpianos.com/grey.htm


Thanks Retsacnal and saw your Baldwin M purchase, which is really nice. Congrats on the excellent find.

I looked at "gray market" and the discount compared to buying new + warranty is not that great. Maybe I will consider if/when my kids graduate to a grand piano and I have to time to search.

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