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#2175499 - 11/01/13 05:41 PM Roland button click problem
lolatu Offline
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Registered: 11/01/13
Posts: 391
Loc: UK
Hi everyone,

I have a somewhat annoying problem with the "down" button on my Roland FP3, which isn't clicking properly. It makes a clicking sound but sometimes only actually registers a click (and sometimes multiple ones) if I press it harder. This video shows the problem - it's not working at the start, but then starts working again after I press it harder. You can also hear the clicking sound (over the rain outside!) if you turn up the volume.



What's the usual way of fixing this? Do I have to get a whole new circuit board or can you solder in a new component (if so, how to obtain it?)... or is there an easier way to fix?

Thanks for any suggestions!
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#2175748 - 11/02/13 01:51 AM Re: Roland button click problem [Re: lolatu]
LesCharles73 Offline
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Registered: 03/24/07
Posts: 739
Loc: Denton Texas
Looks like a simple case of a failed button. Pretty much anyone doing component-level repairs can fix it (swap out the button), but send it to Roland if you want to ensure that the replacement part is as similar to the original as possible.

But yeah, common problem and not a lot of money to fix.
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#2175912 - 11/02/13 01:31 PM Re: Roland button click problem [Re: lolatu]
lolatu Offline
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Registered: 11/01/13
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Thanks Les.

I wonder if anyone who's had a similar problem can relate their experience of fixing it?
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#2175959 - 11/02/13 04:05 PM Re: Roland button click problem [Re: lolatu]
LesCharles73 Offline
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Registered: 03/24/07
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No problem! I wouldn't attempt to fix the problem unless you are comfortable de-soldering and re-soldering components as this is the only way around it. Since you presumably already have the PCB removed, it would be easy to just send the part out for repair.

I have a similar problem with the #4 numerical button on one of my Kurzweil machines but I have just been working around it since the keyboard is such a pain to take apart and it's too costly to ship the whole thing. I'm just waiting until I have other problems to fix while I'm inside (which may be soon as the felts are getting a little worn).
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#2184064 - 11/17/13 05:37 PM Re: Roland button click problem [Re: lolatu]
lolatu Offline
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Registered: 11/01/13
Posts: 391
Loc: UK
So this is now fixed... I thought I'd add a guide in case anyone else comes across this thread who needs it.

How to replace a panel switch on a Roland FP-3

1. Assess whether a new switch is required
If clicks only register when you press the button hard, the switch needs to be replaced. I took one of the old switches apart, and here's what it looks like inside. There appears to be wear on the bottom side of the spring disc in the middle.



2. Obtain a new switch
Part number from Roland is 01340290. They charged £0.83 each + £3.99 handling + VAT.
You can also get the part from a 3rd party: it is a Panasonic EVQ11A05R. I couldn't find anywhere in the UK (except Roland) that stocks them, and it would be £12 per order to import from USA.
You could use a substitute with simlar specs (datasheet) - basically a 6x6x5 mm tactile switch with 2 legs and 1 N force (100 gf). Most of the switches these days seem to have 4 legs (for stability?) so maybe this is why these are a bit hard to get hold of.
From the datasheet it seems the EVQ11D05B has the same specs but 10x the operating life, so get that if possible!
The Omron B3F-6020 looks very similar (datasheet), has a long operating life, and is stocked by Farnell in the UK.

3. Practice soldering!
If you haven't done much soldering before, I suggest watching the linked videos on desoldering and basic soldering. Then find some old elctronic item and practice desoldering and reattaching some components (I used an old XBox remote control).

4. Unplug everything and place upside-down on a wide workbench / table / floor.



5. Remove the 7 silver screws along the border of the upper casing
DON'T remove any of the other screws on the rear side.



6. Remove the 4 screws along each side on the bottom of the case.



7. Open the casing
The keyboard and upper casing are now attached only by a couple of flimsy wires. To open, I suggest carefully turning the whole thing over (remember the keyboard is no longer supported by the sides!) and lifting the top / sides back. Don't stand them upright, since it's not steady and if one side falls it could break the connectors. (Yes I did that... oops... fortunately the wire and the ribbon connectors pulled out of their sockets rather than broke.)



8. Detach the Panel Board
The panel board is in the middle, containing the display panel and controls. Bend up the three black wire holders and release the wires along the bottom. Remove the 12 silver screws along the top and bottom of the board.



9. Power up your soldering iron



10. Desolder the switch connections using the iron and pump
I'm right handed and found it best to hold the iron in my left hand, and pump in my right, as you need to be very quick to suck up the solder. Then you should be able to detach the switch by giving a little tug / wiggle, if necessary melting any remaining solder with the iron while you tug it out.



11. Solder in the new switch
Take your replacement switch and cut off all but about 4 mm of the legs.



Insert into holes, ensuring you have it the same way round as the others. When in place, bend the legs along the track of the wire, then solder. Once attached, you'll probably see the switch is not flush with the board and exactly centred, so apply pressure to the switch with your free hand and re-melt the connections so it sits properly in place.

(Not the prettiest of joints below, but I think it's because I used lead-free solder, unlike the 60/40 tin/lead I used in the joints on the left above... but hey, it works)



12. Power up the board and test the new switch with your finger
The relevant LED should light up or change colour or do whatever it normally does.
No, you won't electocute yourself since the power supply is low voltage.

13. Re-attach the Panel Board screws and test
Put the screws in lightly at first, then tighten when they're all in place.
Test ALL the buttons several times. I found that sometimes a couple of the buttons would stop working properly when I re-attached the panel, but it seemed to be that maybe it wasn't quite centred over the external buttons. Unscrewing the board, checking the switch with my finger, and re-attaching the board made it work fine again. Power off and unplug.

14. Re-assemble and re-attach all screws removed in steps 5 and 6
And you're done!

Time taken: 71 minutes. But probably half that if I did it again...

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#2184116 - 11/17/13 07:07 PM Re: Roland button click problem [Re: lolatu]
Kawai James Online   content
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Registered: 09/06/07
Posts: 8897
Loc: Hamamatsu, Japan
Good work, and very nicely documented! wink

James
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#2184317 - 11/18/13 04:10 AM Re: Roland button click problem [Re: lolatu]
spanishbuddha Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/08/09
Posts: 2323
Loc: UK
Great stuff, just great. I just repaired myself my older 3gs iPhone after the shop said it was a dud, and that feels great too. Musical geeks love their stuff.

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#2184630 - 11/18/13 03:39 PM Re: Roland button click problem [Re: lolatu]
xorbe Offline
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Registered: 07/31/12
Posts: 570
Loc: Mt View, CA
Great post, OP!

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