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#2173302 - 10/28/13 05:17 PM Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2
Carey Offline
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Started to learn this beautiful Nocturne many years ago, and thought it might be a good idea to finally work it up and record it. Not perfect by any means - but this is a challenging piece on many levels. And yes, that's me standing by Chopin's grave. smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNhdUL1oyjU&feature=share&list=UUhgp9Wg9ryMesmZyLgVqiCw
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#2173342 - 10/28/13 06:39 PM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: Carey]
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Lovely playing. I like the tempos you've chosen, especially for the "stormy" section.

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#2173530 - 10/29/13 03:36 AM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: ChrisKeys]
Carey Offline
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Originally Posted By: ChrisKeys
I like the tempos you've chosen, especially for the "stormy" section.


Interestingly, the tempo of the "stormy" middle section is actually the same as the tempo for the rest of the piece, except Chopin marked it "agitato" and added more notes per beat.

Thanks for listening and commenting Chris !!
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#2173569 - 10/29/13 07:12 AM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: Carey]
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I haven't listen very carefully but I have these two impression:

1. For the A section, make sure your RH melody stands out. Your LH is too loud, make it sound less percussive, more velvety.

2. For the B section, your pedaling sounds like hiccup. Make sure only change your pedal when your hands are holding the next chord. Do not lift both hands and feet up together.

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#2173667 - 10/29/13 10:47 AM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: Alan Lai]
Carey Offline
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Originally Posted By: Alan Lai

1. For the A section, make sure your RH melody stands out. Your LH is too loud, make it sound less percussive, more velvety.


Hi Alan. I appreciate the observation and understand what you mean here. Not to make excuses ha, but much of the challenge of maintaining the ideal balance is the nature of the piano I'm recording on. The M&H BB (with lid fully raised) has a naturally full and powerful bass and mid-range that is difficult to subdue - even when playing lightly. (I've talked with other M&H owners who have the same issue.) I normally prefer to practice this and other similar pieces with the lid down - which then makes it much easier to achieve the proper balance and velvety effect. Unfortunately, recording with the lowered lid results in an overall muffled sound (at least with my current set up).

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2. For the B section, your pedaling sounds like hiccup. Make sure only change your pedal when your hands are holding the next chord. Do not lift both hands and feet up together.


The B section as in the "Stormy" middle section? If so, I don't really hear what you're talking about - but perhaps I'm just too close to it !! grin

Thanks for commenting !!


Edited by carey (10/29/13 10:50 AM)
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#2175415 - 11/01/13 03:19 PM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: Carey]
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Very nice playing as usual.

I find the tempo of the first part a bit on the slow side.
And maybe a little bit rubato could be employed here.

In the second part maybe there can be some more dynamic variation between repeating sections.

All in all I enjoyed listening to your performance.
Thanks for sharing.
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#2175470 - 11/01/13 05:01 PM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: Hakki]
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Originally Posted By: Hakki
Very nice playing as usual.

I find the tempo of the first part a bit on the slow side.
And maybe a little bit rubato could be employed here.

In the second part maybe there can be some more dynamic variation between repeating sections.

All in all I enjoyed listening to your performance.
Thanks for sharing.


Thanks Hakki - I plan to continue to massage this, even though after 37 years it is starting to wear a little thin. grin
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#2175524 - 11/01/13 06:42 PM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: Carey]
Louis Podesta Offline
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Originally Posted By: carey

Started to learn this beautiful Nocturne many years ago, and thought it might be a good idea to finally work it up and record it. Not perfect by any means - but this is a challenging piece on many levels. And yes, that's me standing by Chopin's grave. smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNhdUL1oyjU&feature=share&list=UUhgp9Wg9ryMesmZyLgVqiCw


There are those out there, albeit thanks to a man who sight read every one of his Chopin recordings (Rubinstein) who do not know that this particular compose essentially invented the term rhapsodic when it came to playing the piano.

I get so sick of reading: play the left hand in strict tempo,

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#2175528 - 11/01/13 06:58 PM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: Carey]
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There are those out there who have not had the opportunity to be exposed to the applied musicological knowledge that Chopin essentially invented rhapsodic playing. It is no accident that this man wrote virtually everything in ABA Song Form.

So, friend, even though I have damned this particular pianist on every occasion, here is a link of someone who has it right.

Oh, and not to disappoint, he rolls his chords, asynchronizes his bass line, alters his rhythms, and modifies his tempos.

Go figure!

And, for the record, I would personally play it with way more rhythmic freedom. Jeez, the man (Chopin) said "Lento," and you get to play rhapsodic at the same time?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LPn6TdeOHc

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#2175541 - 11/01/13 07:51 PM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: Louis Podesta]
Carey Offline
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Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
There are those out there who have not had the opportunity to be exposed to the applied musicological knowledge that Chopin essentially invented rhapsodic playing. It is no accident that this man wrote virtually everything in ABA Song Form.

So, friend, even though I have damned this particular pianist on every occasion, here is a link of someone who has it right.

Oh, and not to disappoint, he rolls his chords, asynchronizes his bass line, alters his rhythms, and modifies his tempos.

Go figure!

And, for the record, I would personally play it with way more rhythmic freedom. Jeez, the man (Chopin) said "Lento," and you get to play rhapsodic at the same time?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LPn6TdeOHc


Jeez - that was rhapsodic AND lethargic !! Now if he could just knock about 2 minutes off the total run time, he might be on to something !! At least at this tempo(?) he didn't need to worry about hitting any wrong notes. ha

Actually Louis, I almost posted this exact same video a couple of hours ago in response to Hakki's post - but decided not to hijack my own thread. grin Granted, we can learn from listening to all types of interpretations....and I must admit, Pogo takes rolled chords, rhythmic alteration and asynchronization to new realms here.

Thanks for sharing this.
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#2175850 - 11/02/13 11:10 AM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: Carey]
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Carey, I listened to both your version and Pogorelich's version that Louis Podesta provided, back-to-back -- and I must confess that, in spite of Pogo's highly self-indulgent tempo, he brings more of the expressive, singing quality that I sense in much of late Chopin -- more specifically, a dramatic, operatic bel canto aria style -- that I really think informs this Nocturne. Pogorelich, it seems to me, turns the entire piece into an operatic soliloquy; and, while his approach is unquestionably over-the-top for my taste, he does I think make a logical case for approaching the piece in this manner. So, briefly put, I would invite you to bring more of the operatic or art song element to your interpretation, while pretty much retaining your own tempi. Thanks for sharing this!

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#2175879 - 11/02/13 11:56 AM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: Carey]
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Phil, I cannot to wait to hear you play this on my piano:). May be the same time as last year.
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#2175890 - 11/02/13 12:23 PM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: Tim Adrianson]
Louis Podesta Offline
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Originally Posted By: Tim Adrianson
and I must confess that, in spite of Pogo's highly self-indulgent tempo, he brings more of the expressive, singing quality that I sense in much of late Chopin -- more specifically, a dramatic, operatic bel canto aria style -- that I really think informs this Nocturne.


AT UT Austin, I had a music lit. teacher by the name of Ferdinand Gajewski. Fred got his PhD. at Harvard in the late works of a composer by the name of Chopin.

Well, one day Fred got up and played for the head of the piano faculty, and every one thought the lady was going to have a stroke. After Fred finished, she exclaimed: you kept speeding up and then slowing down. Fred just looked at her with an expression that said: Duh?

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#2177172 - 11/04/13 09:24 PM Re: Chopin - Nocturne Opus 62 No. 2 [Re: Carey]
Carey Offline
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I sincerely appreciated the critiques from Chris, Alan, Hakki and Tim.

I re-recorded the Nocturne last weekend in an attempt to address some of the issues raised.

I believe this new version (link below) has a better balance and flow. While the overall interpretation is still fairly straight-forward, I'm basically satisfied with it.

Far greater pianists than I do much more with this material....and that's why they're great!! grin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz5emL3-0gc&feature=share&list=UUhgp9Wg9ryMesmZyLgVqiCw

NOTE: I'll delete the original recording from my YouTube channel in a couple of days.
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