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#2180565 - 11/11/13 10:31 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: Sam S]
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Originally Posted By: Sam S
I tried again this morning and got a "better" recording - a little slower. So I resubmitted - everybody below me moves up one!Sam


You're resubmitting pieces, and I haven't even managed to send mine... frown

Tonight, I'm going to use another computer to (try to) record the piece. I'll be happy if I can send a file to the recital, no matter the level of playing... At this point I can't be too picky.
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#2180570 - 11/11/13 10:39 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: Peyton]
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Originally Posted By: Peyton
...It becomes more of a "recording" than a recital piece.


But that's the "problem", that it is indeed a recording. Even if you think of it as a live recital, you're still going to record your piece many times before getting a recording that you're willing to submit - and that's not cheating, right? Sometimes I think I would be less nervous in a recital with actual people listening to me (well not many!) than when I record. A recital comes and goes and listeners probably forget your mistakes or don't even hear them, while a recording is there forever.

That said, the ABF recital is a great chance to practice "performance", to try and play a piece from beginning to end without stopping, to learn how to play through mistakes etc. But alas, it is a recording after all.
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#2180588 - 11/11/13 11:24 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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Seriously, I recorded my piece well over 300 times to get half a dozen more or less acceptable recordings. I played my piece straight through at least 10 times every day for the last month or more before I submitted it. Every time I played it through I had the Zoom on. For the majority of the time the goal wasn't so much a clean recording as to gradually overcome a severe red dot phobia/ allergy. (My hands have been know to morph into crab claws. ). I regarded the recording as a sort of aversion therapy like getting a war horse used to noise and smoke.
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#2180629 - 11/11/13 01:04 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: -Frycek]
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[quote=-Frycek]Seriously, I recorded my piece well over 300 times to get half a dozen more or less acceptable recordings. I played my piece straight through at least 10 times every day for the last month or more before I submitted it. Every time I played it through I had the Zoom on.

THAT is dedication/perserverance/stubbornality (one `l`or two?) all rolled into one! What a guy!!


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#2180639 - 11/11/13 01:27 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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I've barely had time to touch the piano for the last 10 days! Mamma mia.

I hope I can have a calm moment tomorrow for recording!

Looks like a great line up so far, that's for sure!
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#2180662 - 11/11/13 02:31 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: casinitaly]
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Originally Posted By: casinitaly
I've barely had time to touch the piano for the last 10 days! Mamma mia.

I hope I can have a calm moment tomorrow for recording!



"Calm moments" are out there. From my research, it appears that they come about the day after you submit!

But hey, at least they are out there! Sanity WILL prevail. When?, the day after you submit!

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#2180667 - 11/11/13 02:47 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: sinophilia]
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Originally Posted By: sinophilia
Originally Posted By: Peyton
...It becomes more of a "recording" than a recital piece.


But that's the "problem", that it is indeed a recording. Even if you think of it as a live recital, you're still going to record your piece many times before getting a recording that you're willing to submit - and that's not cheating, right? Sometimes I think I would be less nervous in a recital with actual people listening to me (well not many!) than when I record. A recital comes and goes and listeners probably forget your mistakes or don't even hear them, while a recording is there forever.



Right, here I am recording it over and over to get a take that I'm not too embarrassed to submit. Not exactly a live recital where you get one chance. So I can't fault people for editing their recordings if that's what they want to do.

And my memory of my "live" recitals is usually much better than I really played. Last summer when I played the Arabeske live I made mistakes. I had someone recording it for me in the audience. Afterwards I got some good comments and I was feeling pretty good about it. Then I made the mistake of listening to the recording - yikes! Much better to delete the recording and remember the good parts of the performance.

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#2180687 - 11/11/13 04:04 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: -Frycek]
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calling an amateur availing him or herself if this facility a "blatant cheat" seems a bit extreme.


Well it's certainly dishonest if it's not acknowledged. I realize it's not a competition but when a piece is posted then one assumes the person posting can actually play it as represented. Sorry if this offends you but clipping and enhancing the ambience is a lot different IMO than recording hands separate and putting them together via software or mechanics. And for the record I wasn't accusing anyone it was academic not judgmental. You're correct it's to be enjoyed and I do enjoy them. I think I must have hit a nerve or two. smile
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#2180692 - 11/11/13 04:13 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: Ragdoll]
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Originally Posted By: Ragdoll
recording hands separate and putting them together via software or mechanics


I wasn't defending anything as deceptive as that nor do I imagine anyone else was. And I seriously doubt than any of the present company are so desperate for recognition that they would feel the need to go to such lengths.
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#2180696 - 11/11/13 04:28 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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Gee, I started something with my "splicing" comment. I was sort of kidding!! I wouldn't do it even if I I was able. But, I have no problem with how anyone gets a recording done to be submitted on ABF. If it's you playing in all segments, so what if it's in more than one take? But, I think every one of us really looks at these recitals as if they were real RECITALS. You play your best, or at least the best you can catch in a recording. And put it out there for everyone to hear. It is like a recital of sorts. And I think this is a very special thing we do here on PW hosting organized recitals. It's pushed me in a way lessons had not. I think that's true for most of us.
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#2180700 - 11/11/13 04:42 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: Ragdoll]
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Originally Posted By: Ragdoll
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calling an amateur availing him or herself if this facility a "blatant cheat" seems a bit extreme.


Well it's certainly dishonest if it's not acknowledged. I realize it's not a competition but when a piece is posted then one assumes the person posting can actually play it as represented. Sorry if this offends you but clipping and enhancing the ambience is a lot different IMO than recording hands separate and putting them together via software or mechanics. And for the record I wasn't accusing anyone it was academic not judgmental. You're correct it's to be enjoyed and I do enjoy them. I think I must have hit a nerve or two. smile


Yea, when I think of "splicing" I think of recording a number of times then picking out different sections that worked and splicing the whole thing together. I would imagine that some pros do that. It's fairly easy and hard to pick up on, especially if there are pauses. I would call that a "constructed recording". (And again, I have absolutely no problem with that and would do it if I had to for a good recording. But I would not do it for a "recital" piece.) More like a collage than a true performance. Playing one hand and then recording the other would be more of an "overdubbing".

And I agree, in the end we are all doing "recordings" as I doubt there are too many of us that can get the job done in one take. A true recital would be..."Here I go, one take, live..." I think I'll have to sit back and watch if we ever go there. I've been in a few true recitals and can you spell "panic attack"? smile


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#2180706 - 11/11/13 05:08 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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I have yet to see a live piano performance in which the pianist performs their piece in layered, 'multi-track' sections. Probably because this would not be a solo piano performance but rather a display in multi-track recording and overlaying.

There is no grey area here. Your submitted performance is either a single pass recording (irregardless of how many 'takes' it took to get it), or it's not.

We have never limited the recitals to 'solo piano' only, but we have been VERY clear about representing your true abilities when it comes to your submitted performances.

Personally, I don't see the compatibility with layering (overlaying) anything as this is a beginners forum. If you don't have the ability to play a difficult section, or it is more complicated than your abilities then you are only fooling yourself (and everyone else) that you can play it by overlaying it.

A better suggestion may be to spend more time actually learning the section that is being overlay-ed, or choose a piece that better represents your abilities.

Now let's be clear, I am NOT talking about added in flute or strings sections. You know what I mean.

I'm not even talking about a piece that calls for three hands, so you overlay-ed the third (and disclosed it).

I'm only talking about recording a 2-handed performance in sections, and then splicing it all together and presenting it to us as a one take recording. That's cheating (technically, misrepresentation).

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#2180707 - 11/11/13 05:14 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: Mr Super-Hunky]
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Originally Posted By: Mr Super-Hunky
Originally Posted By: casinitaly
I've barely had time to touch the piano for the last 10 days! Mamma mia.

I hope I can have a calm moment tomorrow for recording!



"Calm moments" are out there. From my research, it appears that they come about the day after you submit!

But hey, at least they are out there! Sanity WILL prevail. When?, the day after you submit!


Sanity is already returning.
We finished stage 1 of the kitchen renovations, I conquered the software for updating my GPS (which ate up 2 days of my time...how sad!) AND we went away for a 4 day weekend.(Wonderful!)

This coming week is going to be pretty tame smile
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#2180731 - 11/11/13 06:24 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: Peyton]
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Originally Posted By: Peyton

Yea, when I think of "splicing" I think of recording a number of times then picking out different sections that worked and splicing the whole thing together. I would imagine that some pros do that.


Yes, of course they do. They may also be playing to a click. And sometimes even -- unbeknownst to the audience -- be playing to a click in live performances.

My feeling is that your recording should be in keeping with the spirit of the recital, which I believe, is to show your progress to date with the piece you have chosen. Over doctoring your submission, would not be in keeping with this spirit.

However, pasting a couple of major sections together to get a decent recording ... personally, I have no problem with that. I agree though, that it can easily become a grey area and preference should always be towards a single pass.

just my two bits though
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#2181184 - 11/12/13 04:45 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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I'm just catching up on this conversation. I'm glad I posted when I did.

Just to be clear I recorded my piece for this recital then recorded over it to get in the part that I believe was written for a "3rd hand". I just made up that "3rd hand" term. It's not in the sheet music I have or anything.

One of the first copies I saw of this piece was on a You Tube video of a garage band recording and it was written as three tracks played together. So that is where I got the idea of using the 3rd hand. I imagine a skilled pianist could play this part with 2 hands, but it is beyond me.

Anyway, I'm happy I disclosed this before this discussion about disclosing this sort of recording. To be honest my piano playing is so weak it's not going to fool anyone no matter what kind of recording techniques I might use.
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#2181201 - 11/12/13 05:43 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: Copper]
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Originally Posted By: Copper

I'm just catching up on this conversation. I'm glad I posted when I did.

Just to be clear I recorded my piece for this recital then recorded over it to get in the part that I believe was written for a "3rd hand". I just made up that "3rd hand" term. It's not in the sheet music I have or anything.

One of the first copies I saw of this piece was on a You Tube video of a garage band recording and it was written as three tracks played together. So that is where I got the idea of using the 3rd hand. I imagine a skilled pianist could play this part with 2 hands, but it is beyond me.

Anyway, I'm happy I disclosed this before this discussion about disclosing this sort of recording. To be honest my piano playing is so weak it's not going to fool anyone no matter what kind of recording techniques I might use.


Don`t worry man! Just have fun. Some folk actually take music seriously . . . .!! smile


Edited by peterws (11/12/13 05:44 PM)
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#2181203 - 11/12/13 05:46 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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OK, I'm in.
But the sound quality is not good...
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#2181218 - 11/12/13 06:20 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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Glad you made it CarlosCC, looking forward to hearing all the Einaudi pieces, who, by slim margin is the most popular composer of this recital
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#2181247 - 11/12/13 07:43 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: Copper]
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Originally Posted By: Copper

I'm just catching up on this conversation. I'm glad I posted when I did.

Just to be clear I recorded my piece for this recital then recorded over it to get in the part that I believe was written for a "3rd hand". I just made up that "3rd hand" term. It's not in the sheet music I have or anything.

One of the first copies I saw of this piece was on a You Tube video of a garage band recording and it was written as three tracks played together. So that is where I got the idea of using the 3rd hand. I imagine a skilled pianist could play this part with 2 hands, but it is beyond me.

Anyway, I'm happy I disclosed this before this discussion about disclosing this sort of recording. To be honest my piano playing is so weak it's not going to fool anyone no matter what kind of recording techniques I might use.



Copper, I'm glad you disclosed (up front) what you did so there was absolutely no miscommunication or misrepresentation whatsoever. That's the correct way to do it.

My only general concern is that more and more people are overlaying (multi-track recording) sections of their performance and handing it in as their finished product. Some disclose this, and some don't.

Once again, the momentum of the actions taken when this is done is not in the spirit and not compatible with the intentions of a 'beginner' learning forum. (overlaying sections that are beyond your current playing abilities). Others may disagree with me on this but after building many custom homes, I can honestly say that it doesn't matter how nice anything else on the house is if you didn't get the foundation right. You will fight that problem forever.

'Overylaying', (multi-track recording), may also intimidate other performers who can't produce these 'enhanced' musically performed sections because they don't have these photo sound shop capabilities.

We probably should just fine-tune a few of the (thankfully) barely noticeable rules that we have and just state that full (and honest) disclosure be done.

The thing is, we already have a HUGE, unfair advantage doing an 'e-cital' as opposed to a live one since we have literally unlimited takes to get a decent recording. The people who must misrepresent their abilities by not disclosing their editing are being unfair to everyone participating.

We already have the home field/dealers advantage. No need to ask for more.

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#2181253 - 11/12/13 07:49 PM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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Alas, even splicing or overlaying won't save me :\

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#2181440 - 11/13/13 07:52 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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Well, I realized I wouldn't have time to record anything better than what I had in the can already so there it is, #41.

Wow, it's a Debussy packed recital - 5 pieces so far! Looking forward to the weekend ....
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#2181461 - 11/13/13 08:25 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: earlofmar]
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Glad you made it CarlosCC, looking forward to hearing all the Einaudi pieces, who, by slim margin is the most popular composer of this recital

Well, I think I still have some energy to record my piece again using a different combination of hardware. I don't like the noise that is heard during the piece.
Anyway, the piece was submitted and I will not delete it (+1 for Einaudi)
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#2181493 - 11/13/13 09:52 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: CarlosCC]
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Originally Posted By: CarlosCC
Originally Posted By: earlofmar
Glad you made it CarlosCC, looking forward to hearing all the Einaudi pieces, who, by slim margin is the most popular composer of this recital

Well, I think I still have some energy to record my piece again using a different combination of hardware. I don't like the noise that is heard during the piece.
Anyway, the piece was submitted and I will not delete it (+1 for Einaudi)

If you let your recording run for a few seconds before starting to play, Audacity has a great plugin that will sample this ambient noise and then filter it out of the entire recording. You may lose a little overall tone in the process, but it's fantastic for reducing hiss.
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#2181497 - 11/13/13 09:54 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: CarlosCC]
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Originally Posted By: CarlosCC
mad cursing mad cursing mad cursing mad cursing mad cursing
I was three hours trying to record the piece from the piano to the computer...
The final sound has a background noise that sounds like a radio of the 40s ... The problem seems to be the drivers of the computer - a new computer! - and I do not have privileges to install the newest drivers because it's a company computer and the configuration is protected.

I'm really angry and sad... frown

Those so-and-sos. You should demand that they give you studio time again! smile
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#2181500 - 11/13/13 09:57 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: dynamobt]
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Oh, the many times I played nearly completely thought only to blow it right at the end.

I wound up doing the opposite... flubbed on the very first measure, but decided to plow forward anyway, and that was my final take.
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#2181517 - 11/13/13 10:28 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: aTallGuyNH]
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Originally Posted By: aTallGuyNH
Originally Posted By: CarlosCC
Originally Posted By: earlofmar
Glad you made it CarlosCC, looking forward to hearing all the Einaudi pieces, who, by slim margin is the most popular composer of this recital

Well, I think I still have some energy to record my piece again using a different combination of hardware. I don't like the noise that is heard during the piece.
Anyway, the piece was submitted and I will not delete it (+1 for Einaudi)

If you let your recording run for a few seconds before starting to play, Audacity has a great plugin that will sample this ambient noise and then filter it out of the entire recording. You may lose a little overall tone in the process, but it's fantastic for reducing hiss.


Will filter out the sound of a washing machine running on the other side of the wall? :-)

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#2181520 - 11/13/13 10:30 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: AB Forum Recital]
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In @ #43, right after Cheryl.

Cheryl -- Please, please, please, don't re-record. I do NOT want to follow Dr Gradus ad Parnassum. cool
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#2181522 - 11/13/13 10:32 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: Sam S]
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Will filter out the sound of a washing machine running on the other side of the wall? :-)

Give it a try, it just might... along with all the harmonics of the piano in that same range.
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#2181549 - 11/13/13 11:19 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: aTallGuyNH]
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Originally Posted By: aTallGuyNH
Originally Posted By: CarlosCC
mad cursing mad cursing mad cursing mad cursing mad cursing
I was three hours trying to record the piece from the piano to the computer...
The final sound has a background noise that sounds like a radio of the 40s ... The problem seems to be the drivers of the computer - a new computer! - and I do not have privileges to install the newest drivers because it's a company computer and the configuration is protected.

I'm really angry and sad... frown

Those so-and-sos. You should demand that they give you studio time again! smile


Btw, I requested some help to the studio guy and he told me that most of (new) computers doesn't have good soundboards. "That's why people work in studios..." he said... Anyway, he offered his studio for an hour, but he could only work with me next Saturday - too late for the recital!! frown

Thanks for the tips thumb. The problem is limited to some "pops" and "clicks" and I used Audicity and other free tools with all the filters and possible options, but the root cause is the soundcard... So, my last chance is to recover my old desktop computer and try again.
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#2181569 - 11/13/13 11:51 AM Re: Recital 32 --- Call For Submissions [Re: aTallGuyNH]
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Originally Posted By: aTallGuyNH
In @ #43, right after Cheryl.

Cheryl -- Please, please, please, don't re-record. I do NOT want to follow Dr Gradus ad Parnassum. cool


I wouldn't worry too much! smile
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