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#2158519 - 09/27/13 10:13 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Thanks JW. That's very nice to say. I find it much easier to play the acoustic than the digital piano, so that helps a lot.

It's funny you mention about the bass player. He is actually one of the guys that I play with who makes it easy for me. I don't have to work hard, things swing a lot easier. And he says the same about me, so we end up getting along. Though we don't often play together, but I always look forward to it.

I have a whole bunch more tracks, my buddy is trying to mix them better than I did. Might come out slightly better. It's all the zoom, which I thought made the piano sound pretty decent.

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#2161057 - 10/03/13 04:30 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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I just got back from Seattle, going to Keith Jarrett's show last night. Still on cloud nine. Man I was floored. Beautiful music and a great vibe, he didn't say anything snarky to the audience. They played 4(!!) encores, the crowd loved it.

Here's the tunes he played that I recognized: Blame it on my Youth, Fever, Answer me my love, God Bless the Child, When I fall in Love... lots more stuff. One tune I never heard before, In Your Own Sweet Way.

Funny I look it up and it's a Dave Brubeck song. I will have to learn that one.

The piano wasn't miked up too loud, I was in the 15th row and had a somewhat hard time hearing the piano. I can't imagine those 30 rows back or up in the higher balconies (there were 3 tiers, quite the setup).

Thankfully in the second set they turned it up slightly.

I can check off seeing one of my favourite pianists live now, maybe the only thing that could top it is going to a solo show. But he's playing only 4 shows in the USA this year so I'm thankful I could even see him.

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#2161087 - 10/03/13 07:13 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: The Wind]
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Sounds like a great set list.
So you watched the trio ?
How were Gary and Jack ?

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#2165697 - 10/13/13 03:14 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Why the Progress You Make in the Practice Room Seems to Disappear Overnight.
Good article about learning music.
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#2165800 - 10/13/13 08:45 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Thanks for posting this Chris. I love this kind of stuff.

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#2165837 - 10/14/13 12:01 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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that explains why I actually have been able to learn things despite collison course with sage piano advice

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#2165901 - 10/14/13 04:00 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: chrisbell]
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Originally Posted By: chrisbell
Why the Progress You Make in the Practice Room Seems to Disappear Overnight.
Good article about learning music.


Chris, really nice link w/advice that can go right to work right now!. Thanks for posting!

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#2166134 - 10/14/13 02:38 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Yeah, its a good read.

So I've been busy for months, working my proverbial ass of, transferring hand-written scores into Finale - then creating the parts, proofreading, making suggestions, making changes (please repeat x amount) and then rehearsing the material together with the composer.
6 new pieces for big band (54 minutes total), commissioned by one of the great European big bands (Bohuslän Big band - this is a full time working big band, subsidised by private and governmental means).
The music was great (well still is), the band is stupendous (amazing readers), they swing like a mutha!
I'll post a tune or two once the video is edited and the rights are sorted out.
But here's a clip from a sound-check, Monica Dominique (the composer) is at the piano, singing (the song "Hey, John" written by Blossom Dearie, here with Swedish lyrics) together with three of Sweden's great on their respective instruments. This is swinging melodic piano playing.


Ps: she's old enough to be a grand-mother to some of you. Swing, groove and love and music knows no age limits.
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#2166276 - 10/14/13 07:28 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Great stuff Chris. That must be so much fun. I'm looking forward to the big band. Grant is coming over in a few minutes. I'll say hi for you.

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#2177293 - 11/05/13 01:10 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Haven't been around. Jury duty, etc... But just wanted to share this. Just saw it today. For whatever reason, I couldn't stop playing it over and over.

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#2177294 - 11/05/13 01:13 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Can't be jazzwee. He's mythical. Haven't seen him in decades.
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#2177446 - 11/05/13 10:25 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Who's on the cut? The drummer looks like Paul Motion?

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#2177684 - 11/05/13 06:13 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jjo]
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Alan Pasqua, Paul Motian, and Dave Holland
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#2179250 - 11/08/13 05:17 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Saw Fred Hersch's trio last night at UC Davis. I couldn't see his bassist or drummer from where I was seated, but that said, I had the best view of his left hand of anyone, being about 15 feet and roughly 200 degrees back from him. It was a great blend of his tunes - new and old - and some free jazz a la Ornette Coleman. He segued into several with long romantic solo introductions which I really enjoyed.

He ended with a solo encore of his oft-played "Valentine."

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#2179415 - 11/09/13 02:32 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Haven't seen Fred Hersch live yet but I'll have to satisfy myself with many of his records. That's great you got to see him. I wasn't sure he was going to make it. He was preparing his legacy there for awhile, already planning to be gone...How did he look? Later videos show him looking much better.
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#2179452 - 11/09/13 05:41 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Hey Bob
Thanks for the report. You were really privileged to attend.

Hey JW
From reading in between the lines of his interviews, his long coma had implications for his approach to improvisation. He said something like "I am always prepared to take a risk. So what if I make a mistake ? No-one's going to die from my mistake. I was the one who died".

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#2179628 - 11/09/13 02:28 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Originally Posted By: jazzwee
How did he look? Later videos show him looking much better.


He looked good and pretty spry (he opted to jump up on and off the stage rather than take the stairs a few feet away). I imagine he has to be doing pretty well with the rather busy concert schedule he and his trio are following. One thing I did notice, which I've noticed in other videos of his and thought was odd, was his use of band-aids on various fingers while playing - though, maybe he just gets cuts frequently.

Yeah, custard, on the same topic of the coma, though, I read Hersch present it to the Miami Herald in a more positive light -
A smart, lyrical pianist and composer with a distinctive sound and an unassuming manner, five-time Grammy nominee Fred Hersch is one of the most important jazz musicians of his generation.

But that’s just part of his story.

Diagnosed as HIV-positive in the mid 1980s, Hersch developed AIDS-related dementia in 2008. Comatose for two months, he recovered only after an eight-month ordeal in which he was bed-bound and intubated, unable to speak or swallow, weighing barely more than 100 pounds at his lowest point. He required extensive physical therapy to walk again and regain full use of his hands.

Hersch, 57, not only recovered, but went back to work with a vengeance, assembling a terrific new trio that he brings to Davie’s Miniaci Performing Arts Center Saturday night, presented by South Florida Jazz.

“Going through a near-death experience and coming out the other side, it’s got to change your life,” he says in a telephone interview from Missoula, Mont. “People tell me that my playing is looser and freer than it was. I’ve always kind of gone for it, but now there is really no reason to hold back.”

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#2179703 - 11/09/13 05:48 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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The band aids are probably from bleeding. Maybe he's on anti-coagulation meds (Coumadin) etc. so you easily bleed. I haven't booked to watch any concerts in town and I guess he's also in the LA area right now. I see also he's booked in LA for next May. Sounds like I'll get some opportunities to see him.

I've made a point of watching old-timers because I may not have an opportunity to listen to them again. For example, Chick, Herbie, Wayne Shorter, Benny Golson, Barry Harris etc. are getting up there in years. You never know...and you could lose seeing a bit of history.
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#2180646 - 11/11/13 01:47 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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A little Jazz Fusion! Definitely a different style of playing...

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#2180691 - 11/11/13 04:13 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Love that cut. The only thing that seems a bit fusiony to me is when HH changes to an electronic keyboard need the end. Prior to that, it's all jazz to me!

Herbie's solos, to me, don't have an arc of a story with a beginning and end. Rather, it's like he is an endless font of incredibly ideas that just spew out of him. I feel like he could go on forever, and I'd be happy to just keep listening.

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#2180715 - 11/11/13 05:41 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Fusion-y in the rhythm section which drives a different style of soloing (phrasing, etc.). Tremendous solo by Herbie IMO. Pat Metheny was cookin' but not in the same way Herbie was. There really was so much stuff going on there. A lot of exploration going on to my ears, but typical Herbie stuff.

Rhythmically, it takes so much chops to play like this. I'd probably still be struggling at 3/4 this tempo if I tried to play like Herbie. Of course it's easy to simplify.
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#2180739 - 11/11/13 06:59 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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I agree that Metheny was good, HH was outrageous. HH can play, brilliantly, in virtually any style. Was recently listening (on Spotify) to a Grant Green CD called Feelin the Spirit which is Green's jazzy take on gospel music. HH is the keyboard player and plays this rollicking gospel infused style like that's what he'd done his whole life.

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#2180811 - 11/11/13 11:22 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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why do jazz muscian dress so badly

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#2180828 - 11/12/13 12:01 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: KlinkKlonk]
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Originally Posted By: KlinkKlonk
why do jazz muscian dress so badly


What do YOU wear on a gig? wink Just curious.

Me -- just black. Band uniform. Nothing fancy though. Black T-Shirt is fine for us for normal gigs.
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#2180833 - 11/12/13 01:04 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: KlinkKlonk]
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why do jazz muscian dress so badly


haha, this is the early 90's. the playing is superb though. Herbie never fails to inspire.

What's going on with you guys for gigs and shows?

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#2180850 - 11/12/13 02:55 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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How come the bassist is dressed so normally (by today's standard) ?
Who is the bassist ?

HH's rhythmic feel is so propulsive. And he does an incredible amount in the mid-upper register.

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#2180871 - 11/12/13 05:05 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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cus ... that's dave holland.

here a full length documentary where a lot of musicians including herbie and carlos santana talk about why miles is amazing. dave holland is in there in full late 60s/early 70s regalia.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y-SKEftDe0

here's a bbc documentary from the 1970 isle of wight festival that that the first youtube clip shows (but only from miles perspective).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wr8MmAT860

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#2180875 - 11/12/13 05:36 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Thanks Mark ! I had no idea Dave Holland was from the UK. I actually was in Isle of Wight last year and missed out on the pop festival by one week.
I think that jazz artists who can switch to commercial music are pretty amazing and versatile. A few years ago I was listening to Donald Byrd on myspace and thinking "huh ? Is this the Donald Byrd bebopper on Lush Life ?"

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#2180908 - 11/12/13 07:29 AM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: jazzwee]
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Originally Posted By: KlinkKlonk
why do jazz muscian dress so badly


What do YOU wear on a gig? wink Just curious.

Me -- just black. Band uniform. Nothing fancy though. Black T-Shirt is fine for us for normal gigs.


a kimono and a wig ofc

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#2181098 - 11/12/13 02:06 PM Re: Jazz Study Group 2: Advanced Players [Re: KlinkKlonk]
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Originally Posted By: KlinkKlonk
Originally Posted By: jazzwee
Originally Posted By: KlinkKlonk
why do jazz muscian dress so badly


What do YOU wear on a gig? wink Just curious.

Me -- just black. Band uniform. Nothing fancy though. Black T-Shirt is fine for us for normal gigs.


a kimono and a wig ofc


LOL.

To me, appearance in jazz distracts from the music. By the same token, my band doesn't talk much during gigs. I don't like over-talky singers either. But on instrumental gigs, we are quiet and only the music is heard.

And we are not background (too loud to be considered background).

I suppose it's a little bit of the Bill Evans school here...
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