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#2183671 - 11/16/13 10:56 PM old question , best way to record a digital piano?
piano_primo_1 Offline
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Registered: 06/25/09
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Loc: Pittsburgh,PA
I have :
A old dell inspirion laptop,
Good microphone.
Good jacks from casio digital to laptop.
A digital vivitar cam , (which recorded sound is less than poor)

I downloaded Audacity and have a old cakewalk software .
Any Suggeations?
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#2183719 - 11/17/13 01:07 AM Re: old question , best way to record a digital piano? [Re: piano_primo_1]
Brian Lucas Offline
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Looks like the only thing you're missing is an interface. The mic won't necessarily give you the best quality. Best bet is to go direct into the computer with a USB interface. Something like this one, which will also pass MIDI information.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AudioBoxUSB

If you use Cakewalk, you can record the MIDI info, edit it until pleased and then record the audio. It's the way I work, especially under tight deadlines. Plus, you can add great piano sample plugins down the road.
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#2183802 - 11/17/13 08:45 AM Re: old question , best way to record a digital piano? [Re: piano_primo_1]
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Some time ago I used audacity at a laptop. Now, I mostly take simply an iPad...

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#2183870 - 11/17/13 11:28 AM Re: old question , best way to record a digital piano? [Re: piano_primo_1]
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Plug an audio cable (jack on both ends) into your digital piano and into your computer. If your computer has a single port that works both as audio out (headphones) and audio in, you'll have to configure that somewhere in the audio settings. Then you'll need an application that will record the input from your piano, I think most people use Audacity on PC's.

Of course you'll have to use your piano with headphones or you won't hear anything while it's connected to the computer.

Otherwise you can do the same thing using a USB cable, as Brian suggested. That way you can record MIDI data, which means that you won't hear the actual Casio sound on your computer, but whatever samples you select in your audio recording program.
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#2183879 - 11/17/13 11:52 AM Re: old question , best way to record a digital piano? [Re: Brian Lucas]
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Originally Posted By: Brian Lucas
Looks like the only thing you're missing is If you use Cakewalk, you can record the MIDI info, edit it until pleased and then record the audio. It's the way I work, especially under tight deadlines. Plus, you can add great piano sample plugins down the road.

I second that. It's enabled me to recreate and re-record dp performances I recorded in the late 80's not only with better sample sets, but also on the real-deal: midi equipped grand pianos.

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#2183890 - 11/17/13 12:12 PM Re: old question , best way to record a digital piano? [Re: piano_primo_1]
piano_primo_1 Offline
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I htink that is the way I'm going,I have a pretty good receiver (marantz) to use as a amplifier , so I will be able to hear and record.
Do memebers still post videos of what they practice on this forum?


Edited by pianonewbie1 (11/17/13 12:14 PM)
Edit Reason: spelling
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#2183895 - 11/17/13 12:16 PM Re: old question , best way to record a digital piano? [Re: piano_primo_1]
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Apart from other suggestions, may I mention it`s better to keep up the volume on your piano. That is, high enough to render any hum negligeable. I had mine set low, to fit in/balance with other instruments and it`s not as clear because of this..
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#2183923 - 11/17/13 01:21 PM Re: old question , best way to record a digital piano? [Re: peterws]
piano_primo_1 Offline
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Specifically..... keep the paino volume up but recording level down?
It would seem if both were up the sound would blare and be distorted .
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#2183979 - 11/17/13 03:21 PM Re: old question , best way to record a digital piano? [Re: piano_primo_1]
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I go directly from the digital to the Zoom using line level inputs. This is very clean, but as peterws mentioned, the levels may need to be adjusted.

The 'volume' on the Zoom is not equivalent to the 'volume' level on the digital piano. When recording, I must turn the playback volume way up to equal a lower volume level on the Zoom.

Make sense? I didn't think so. But this will:

80% volume setting on digital piano = 40% volume setting on Zoom.

Another way to look at it is that a loud/high volume output setting (level) on the digital will equal a soft/low input level on the Zoom. If you are wondering how to get a higher/louder volume setting on the Zoom,... the answer (in my case) is to increase the gain settings positively (and proportionally) in Audacity. [The gain setting on my Zoom is already set at high].

When recording, you always want to leave a certain minimum amount of headroom (3db) as not to clip the recording [chop highs and lows exceeding the limit off].

Your ultimate goal, no matter what device you are using is to get a clean (first generation) recording at the proper levels. Everything else can be adjusted after that using programs like Audacity, Soundforge etc.

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#2183998 - 11/17/13 03:51 PM Re: old question , best way to record a digital piano? [Re: Mr Super-Hunky]
piano_primo_1 Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mr Super-Hunky


Your ultimate goal, no matter what device you are using is to get a clean (first generation) recording at the proper levels. Everything else can be adjusted after that using programs like Audacity, Soundforge etc.



Well I don't have a zoom ,
I have a vivitar cam that has bad osund and audacity and casbles form my digital piano .
But I do have Cakewalk but a very dated version
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#2184124 - 11/17/13 07:18 PM Re: old question , best way to record a digital piano? [Re: piano_primo_1]
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To follow "keep it simple, stupid!" (KISS):

Put the microphone away.

If the Casio has stereo outputs, and you want to record in stereo:

. . . If your computer doesn't have a stereo "Line In" jack,
. . . you'll have to buy a soundcard that _does_ have a
. . . stereo "Line In" jack. [Note 1]

If you want to record in mono, set the Casio up to _deliver_ mono (for some models, that means

. . . . "plug a cable into _only_ the "Left Line-Out /
. . . . Mono" jack"

If in stereo:

. . . Plug "left" and "right" cables into "Line Out" jacks
. . . . . (if you have them), or
. . . Plug into the "Headphone" output.

Plug the other end of that cable (cables) into the computer's "Line In" jack(s), or the soundcard's "Line In" jack(s).


Start "Audacity".

Point Audacity's "Record" input to the "Line In" jack(s).

Start recording in Audacity;

Start playing the Casio.

If you're using the headphone output on the Casio, you'll need some way to monitor your playing. Either:

. . . If there's a second "Phone Out" jack, use it;

. . . Use a stereo "Y-cable" to let you run your headphones,
. . . and Audacity, from the same "Phone Out" jack on the Casio.

You'll have to get your levels set correctly -- the higher the "volume" setting on the Casio, the lower the "record volume" will be set in Audacity.

. Charles

Note 1: You do _not_ need a soundcard with high-quality microphone preamps. Behringer (and others) make reasonably-priced USB soundcards (USB on one side, analog audio on the other side) with 24-bit resolution and 48 kHz sampling. For a solo piano, that should be plenty good enough.

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#2184155 - 11/17/13 08:14 PM Re: old question , best way to record a digital piano? [Re: piano_primo_1]
piano_primo_1 Offline
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you guys are super for the inforamtion . thanks I'm going to try tonight to work this .
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#2184326 - 11/18/13 05:39 AM Re: old question , best way to record a digital piano? [Re: piano_primo_1]
Brian Lucas Offline
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Originally Posted By: pianonewbie1
Specifically..... keep the paino volume up but recording level down?
It would seem if both were up the sound would blare and be distorted .
Yeah, usually setting the keyboard to 75% volume is ideal if you're using its sounds. Then adjust the inputs on your computer so it doesn't distort. If you're getting any noise, you can boost the keyboard up to 80-90% and turn the computer inputs down, but I rarely ever send MAX volume out of my board, live or recording. You can use your sound card for audio input, but usually they are not designed to capture the best sound, especially on older computers. The age of the software won't matter as much as the age of your computer processor and how much RAM you have in your machine.

OT, I'm originally from the Pittsburgh area. Yinz getn snow der yet?
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