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#2227360 - 02/07/14 09:07 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: Rough Diamond]
tm3 Offline
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Dave Ferris: I saw a detailed post of yours on another forum re comparisons. Two questions

1) which stage DP keyboard comes closest to emulating that of an AP?

2) would your top choices for a home (non-gigging) DP be the avant grand and the CP4?

Thanks

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#2227495 - 02/07/14 02:51 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: tm3]
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Originally Posted By: tm3
which stage DP keyboard comes closest to emulating that of an AP?

In part, that depends on which AP you are comparing it to. The Kawai MP10 feels more like a Kawai grand than any other board I've played (VPC1 should be about the same). But it feels nothing like a Yamaha grand. APs themselves vary so much. I think the goal should simply be to find the action that you most enjoy playing.

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#2227823 - 02/08/14 08:35 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: anotherscott]
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I am considering buying either the S90XS or the CP4 Stage Piano. I especially like the

71Rd I and 73 Rd II voices in the CP4. Is there any way to duplicate them on the S70XS ? Obviously the AP's on the CP4 are very good, but there is more
to play around with on the S90 such as Arp's and Performances.

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#2228980 - 02/10/14 12:24 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: tm3
which stage DP keyboard comes closest to emulating that of an AP?

In part, that depends on which AP you are comparing it to. The Kawai MP10 feels more like a Kawai grand than any other board I've played (VPC1 should be about the same). But it feels nothing like a Yamaha grand. APs themselves vary so much. I think the goal should simply be to find the action that you most enjoy playing.


good point, thanks. someday i hope to transition to an AP, and am probably overly concerned about recurring claims that playing a DP "ruins" ones technique as far as playing an AP thus my interest in "close emulation." i also thought that the technology may have advanced significantly beyond my Roland FP4.

auditions are great but given the local selection unfortunately not really possible.

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#2229122 - 02/10/14 05:17 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: tm3]
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Originally Posted By: tm3
i also thought that the technology may have advanced significantly beyond my Roland FP4.

Interestingly, a number of people seem to prefer the feel of the FP4 over the later versions (FP-4F and FP50).

Do you specifically want something with speakers built in, or doesn't it matter?

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#2229269 - 02/10/14 10:18 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: tm3
i also thought that the technology may have advanced significantly beyond my Roland FP4.

Interestingly, a number of people seem to prefer the feel of the FP4 over the later versions (FP-4F and FP50).

Do you specifically want something with speakers built in, or doesn't it matter?


Does not matter, really. If I become convinced of a significant upgrade over the FP4 I could pull the trigger. For now headphones are fine.

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#2229330 - 02/11/14 12:40 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: Rough Diamond]
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Well, these have different feels from each other, but I think they are all closer to, well SOME acoustic than the FP4 would be. So I would check out: Roland FP80, Kawai MP10, Yamaha CP4. (Only the Roland has speakers.) I think those would be considered current state of the art in stage piano actions, though the MP10 at 70 lbs is a bit of a beast to move around. The Yamaha is not much heavier than your FP4. The FP80 is in between.

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#2229464 - 02/11/14 09:22 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Well, these have different feels from each other, but I think they are all closer to, well SOME acoustic than the FP4 would be. So I would check out: Roland FP80, Kawai MP10, Yamaha CP4. (Only the Roland has speakers.) I think those would be considered current state of the art in stage piano actions, though the MP10 at 70 lbs is a bit of a beast to move around. The Yamaha is not much heavier than your FP4. The FP80 is in between.


That is very helpful, thanks. Weight is not an issue.

You would not put the Roland 800 on the list?

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#2229494 - 02/11/14 10:27 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: tm3]
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Originally Posted By: tm3
You would not put the Roland 800 on the list?

Another good choice. I haven't played one yet, but it is supposed to have essentially an enhanced version of the action that is on the FP80.

Also, there are some people who prefer the feel of the Yamaha CP4's predecessors over the CP4 itself, those models would be the CP1 and CP5, which you may find at reduced pricing if places still have them.

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#2255619 - 04/01/14 08:36 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: Rainman]
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Originally Posted By: Rainman
Dave Ferris: you said "the Nord Piano 2, with improved D/A converters from the original NP88". Can you elaborate on that? This is the first time I hear/read about that. I thought the sound is 100% the same.

How did you percieve the difference between the sound of the two NPs? And where did you find that info?

Thanks for any info!


Ah... I'm one never to try and leave a direct question unanswered., if I can answer it. wink I was scanning this thread and noticed I had.

I don't always have time to check in at PW and return to threads I've posted in. I was looking for some more CP4 video youtube demos on Google and this came up.

Perfectly legit question. Two years ago in May of '12 I took delivery of the NP2. At the time I had not sold my NP88 yet so I had the advantage of A/B ing them through the same speakers (RCF TT08As) in my studio.

THe difference in the overall sound was immediately obvious. The NP88 sounded like it had a blanket over the speakers in comparison to the NP2. This was before the Fazioli sample was released, so I was most likely using the Yamaha Bright Grand and Bosendorfer , both in XL size, to test with.

The NP2's sound sparkled and was more vibrant on every sound I tried on the APs & EPs.

On a gig, in a noisy environment, playing in a louder rockish context, through less then at least half way decent quality speakers and out front in the audience - I'd be certain you'd be hard pressed to hear the difference between the two though.
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#2255846 - 04/02/14 09:31 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: Rough Diamond]
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Anyone care to explain what Nord says about the Triple Pedal for the NP2, quoted below the dotted line?
Dynamic Sustain Pedal seems to be related to pedal noise as you actuate the pedal, but:
What exactly is half-pedaling? merely 3 points (on, off, mid)? Or is it partial-pedaling with more points?
What is “release and catch” techniques? Is that merely a fancy name for conventional pedaling or is there more to it?
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#2255863 - 04/02/14 10:44 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: Rough Diamond]
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Isn't release and catch when, on an acoustic piano, you release your finger but you simultaneously put down the sustain pedal. The damper is thus repositioned but almost immediately pulled back again.

If you do that, the note will be sustained, to varying degrees, depending on the precise interval the damper is allowed to deaden the strings. Digital pianos (apart maybe from old or very low budget ones) will copy this behaviour.
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#2256052 - 04/02/14 05:06 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: toddy]
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I don't really know what to think about Nord's sparse words, toddy, there isn't anymore info on the Nord website that I could find. Hoping for an actual user of the Nord Triple Pedal to chime in...

Or, if there is a user of the Nord Piano 2 HP (the 73 key unit, with the default single pedal) on here, what are they missing out on with regard to pedalling? From what I could gather from the Nord website, apart from the obvious difference (soft and sostenuto) they would miss out on pedal noise (big deal, to be sarcastic) not sure about the other features...
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#2256061 - 04/02/14 05:30 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 Review First Impressions [Re: Rough Diamond]
toddy Offline
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Well, if I'm right (and I'm just guessing from the term itself that you quoted: "release and catch") then this is only an effect with the sustain pedal and the keys. In other words, it should work with just the one sustain pedal, and is dependent on your playing style and pedalling technique.

Certainly it works like that on my piano, and I imagine, most other DPs these days. The other two/three pedals would be irrelevant to this effect.
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