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#2186031 - 11/21/13 12:25 AM Bach and Mozetich
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Hi gang

here's two selections I recently recorded.. Bach prelude and fugue in c#- and Mozetich "Prelude":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9OrXSVFnXQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqY7KFa1pu8
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#2186158 - 11/21/13 08:09 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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#2186326 - 11/21/13 01:03 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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sorry, i was hoping to edit those but it won't let me.. here is an easier way:





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#2186350 - 11/21/13 01:34 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Bravossimo!!

You have such a high skill of analyzing, absorbing and then conveying music that, it is always a refreshing and unique experience to listen to your performances.

I really enjoyed listening, thanks for sharing.
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#2186371 - 11/21/13 02:04 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Thank you! The Mozetich was a very interesting experience for me. I had one coaching on it with someone (not my teacher), and recorded it after studying it for two weeks. Still a long way to go, but it was a very good experience for me.
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#2186529 - 11/21/13 07:33 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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It's playing like this that separates the real pianists from so many of the rest of us who just try to play the piano!

Wonderful!

Thank you.

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#2186541 - 11/21/13 08:02 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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What Bruce said.

I really enjoyed your Bach. Obviously you are not just playing the notes but have a great sense of the whole architecture.

Brilliant! Post more Bach!
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#2186547 - 11/21/13 08:14 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I love listening to you play. Your dynamic control in the Mozetich was exquisite. If I could make one suggestion, it would be to play more. smile
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#2186570 - 11/21/13 09:07 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Excellent!!! You continue to improve every single time I hear you.
Your Bach has come a long way, since I last heard you play it. I think the prelude is very, very good and there is little I'd do to change it. With the fugue (the greatest of the 48) I would take a broader tempo and work on creating one, long continuous line in the last section which is full of drama. I'll talk to you about it and give you details. I wish you would play more Bach!

The Mozetich, I must admit, I'm not familiar with, but you make me want to investigate. I love the piece. Beautiful color in your playing here.
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#2186685 - 11/22/13 02:55 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Pogo - you are awesome. That was the best Bach I ever heard. I don't know how to say this but it's totally beyond textbook. Not just independence of voices, I hear real intimate conversation is going on between them and among them. They relate to each other. And what an effective use of pedal. It was so clean and resonant at the same time. I know I'm not good enough to comment but could not help it. It moved me.

Loved the other piece too. I have never heard of the composer. I have to google it. Thank you for sharing the performance. I wish you come to Arizona!
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#2187120 - 11/22/13 11:49 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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You are all too kind.. thank you for listening and for your comments! It really means a lot to me that someone takes the time to listen..
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#2187469 - 11/23/13 06:34 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I have listened to this Bach recording many times, and I still come away with the same impression. And, that impression has to do with my familiarity with the music of other composers.

My philosophy is that J.S. Bach should sound like J.S. Bach. His son J.C. Bach has a totally different sound, as did his brother Emmanuel.

So, Claude Debussy, as well as his contemporary Ravel, used to go nuts when pianists would try to "romanticize" their music. And, I am a pianist/philosopher whose entire life, at the piano, has been and is a spiritual experience.

This recording ain't it.

Paraphrasing what I said to Carey recently, it is very precise and beautiful playing, but it ain't J.S. Bach, in my opinion.

Parenthetically, I do not pedal Bach or Mozart because with the proper type of legato I do not find it to be necessary.


Edited by Ken Knapp (11/24/13 07:14 AM)
Edit Reason: Removed school reference.

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#2187477 - 11/23/13 06:43 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Louis Podesta]
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Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
I have listened to this Bach recording many times, and I still come away with the same impression. And, that impression has to do with my familiarity with the music of other composers.

My philosophy is that J.S. Bach should sound like J.S. Bach. His son J.C. Bach has a totally different sound, as did his brother Emmanuel.

So, Claude Debussy, as well as his contemporary Ravel, used to go nuts when pianists would try to "romanticize" their music. And, I am a pianist/philosopher whose entire life, at the piano, has been and is a spiritual experience.

This recording ain't it. It is someone, who is currently, or formerly attended The Glenn Gould School, trying to sound like Andras Schiff.

Paraphrasing what I said to Carey recently, it is very precise and beautiful playing, but it ain't J.S. Bach, in my opinion.

Parenthetically, I do not pedal Bach or Mozart because with the proper type of legato I do not find it to be necessary.
Would you like to explain to Angelina "what is Bach" in your opinion, WITHOUT posting any videos, or mentioning the name of none other but yourself?

You see your claims are as valid as your playing is right now: None existent! Where's YOUR personality, YOUR opinion and YOUR performance to speak for YOU?

Don't you realize that what you've just told Angelina is that she's not playing a work by a composer who's been dead for 270 years, as she should be. Like the score can transfer enough information about that precise feeling that Bach is. As if Bach had the same instruments and the same mindset that Angelina and any performer today has. It's as if the Internet doesn't exist, mobile phones don't exist, TV doesn't exist and we can go back to the pure mindset that Bach might've had when composing and performing his works.
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#2187493 - 11/23/13 07:08 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Louis Podesta]
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Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta

Paraphrasing what I said to Carey recently, it is very precise and beautiful playing, but it ain't J.S. Bach, in my opinion.


Actually Angelina's playing in general is infinitely more competent than my own - and I believe she has a wonderful career ahead of her. smile
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#2187516 - 11/23/13 08:01 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Two things: 1. I played this for P. Lewis recently, and we talked about pedal in Bach - after saying he liked my pedal very much, he agreed that we use pedal in Bach not for legato, but for sound. Did I blur anything? In that case, I failed. But I dont think I did... smile

2. I'm curious to see why this is considered romantic playing? I didnt screw around with the rhythm, or add exsessive rubatos? I just tried to shape things. Maybe I didnt do a good enough job, after all I'm not a great scholar like yourself. Maybe it isnt dry and midi-like, as many other interpretations, but that is how I view the music and I'm not going to apologize for it.

But thank you for... listening.



Edited by Pogorelich. (11/23/13 08:22 PM)
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#2187520 - 11/23/13 08:12 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
I have listened to this Bach recording many times, and I still come away with the same impression. And, that impression has to do with my familiarity with the music of other composers.

My philosophy is that J.S. Bach should sound like J.S. Bach. His son J.C. Bach has a totally different sound, as did his brother Emmanuel.

So, Claude Debussy, as well as his contemporary Ravel, used to go nuts when pianists would try to "romanticize" their music. And, I am a pianist/philosopher whose entire life, at the piano, has been and is a spiritual experience.

This recording ain't it. It is someone, who is currently, or formerly attended The Glenn Gould School, trying to sound like Andras Schiff.

Paraphrasing what I said to Carey recently, it is very precise and beautiful playing, but it ain't J.S. Bach, in my opinion.

Parenthetically, I do not pedal Bach or Mozart because with the proper type of legato I do not find it to be necessary.
Would you like to explain to Angelina "what is Bach" in your opinion, WITHOUT posting any videos, or mentioning the name of none other but yourself?

You see your claims are as valid as your playing is right now: None existent! Where's YOUR personality, YOUR opinion and YOUR performance to speak for YOU?

Don't you realize that what you've just told Angelina is that she's not playing a work by a composer who's been dead for 270 years, as she should be. Like the score can transfer enough information about that precise feeling that Bach is. As if Bach had the same instruments and the same mindset that Angelina and any performer today has. It's as if the Internet doesn't exist, mobile phones don't exist, TV doesn't exist and we can go back to the pure mindset that Bach might've had when composing and performing his works.


Once again, her name is not Angelina, and I will post her true website link at the end of this discourse.

Secondly, Phil and I have lived in the world of Donald Willing, who, not only encouraged his students to think "outside the box," in regards the music of the Baroque Period, he mandated it!

This is not Bach!

Please read the tea leaves for yourselves. It goes against everything I said about Donald Wiling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9OrXSVFnXQ

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#2187523 - 11/23/13 08:18 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Once again, my aim is not to please everyone as that is impossible. So I'm fine with what you say. I just dont agree and I will not play another way.
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#2187527 - 11/23/13 08:29 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Bach himself would be delighted to hear his music so wonderfully played in the cantabile style that he advocated. Bravo, fair lady!
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#2187540 - 11/23/13 08:55 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Louis Podesta]
stores Offline
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Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
I have listened to this Bach recording many times, and I still come away with the same impression. And, that impression has to do with my familiarity with the music of other composers.

My philosophy is that J.S. Bach should sound like J.S. Bach. His son J.C. Bach has a totally different sound, as did his brother Emmanuel.

So, Claude Debussy, as well as his contemporary Ravel, used to go nuts when pianists would try to "romanticize" their music. And, I am a pianist/philosopher whose entire life, at the piano, has been and is a spiritual experience.

This recording ain't it. It is someone, who is currently, or formerly attended The Glenn Gould School, trying to sound like Andras Schiff.

Paraphrasing what I said to Carey recently, it is very precise and beautiful playing, but it ain't J.S. Bach, in my opinion.

Parenthetically, I do not pedal Bach or Mozart because with the proper type of legato I do not find it to be necessary.
Would you like to explain to Angelina "what is Bach" in your opinion, WITHOUT posting any videos, or mentioning the name of none other but yourself?

You see your claims are as valid as your playing is right now: None existent! Where's YOUR personality, YOUR opinion and YOUR performance to speak for YOU?

Don't you realize that what you've just told Angelina is that she's not playing a work by a composer who's been dead for 270 years, as she should be. Like the score can transfer enough information about that precise feeling that Bach is. As if Bach had the same instruments and the same mindset that Angelina and any performer today has. It's as if the Internet doesn't exist, mobile phones don't exist, TV doesn't exist and we can go back to the pure mindset that Bach might've had when composing and performing his works.


Once again, her name is not Angelina, and I will post her true website link at the end of this discourse.

Secondly, Phil and I have lived in the world of Donald Willing, who, not only encouraged his students to think "outside the box," in regards the music of the Baroque Period, he mandated it!

This is not Bach!

Please read the tea leaves for yourselves. It goes against everything I said about Donald Wiling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9OrXSVFnXQ




Who cares, if her name is Angelina, or not? What's your point? You should change YOUR name after making such an idiot out of yourself on this forum.

This IS Bach, but you wouldn't realise that, because your head is stuck too far up your assumption that you, and only you, are aware of the "correct" way to play anything.

I'd like to add that I, moments ago, deleted another post directed your way that may very well have gotten me permanently banned. It is very difficult for me to hold my tongue at times and with you even more so.


Edited by stores (11/23/13 09:10 PM)

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#2187547 - 11/23/13 09:22 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Pogo,

I really enjoyed both recordings very much! I'm actually listening to other Mozetich pieces now and I'm really enjoying his works. Is the prelude very difficult? I might want to take a look later, because it sounds very good.

The Bach is of course, very musical and incredible. I wish I could play like that.

Your playing remains very inspirational...I love how you take care of the inner lines and small details while retaining the long line and the underlying drama. One day I hope to play just as well as you!
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#2187577 - 11/24/13 12:31 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Louis Podesta]
Nikolas Offline
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Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
I have listened to this Bach recording many times, and I still come away with the same impression. And, that impression has to do with my familiarity with the music of other composers.

My philosophy is that J.S. Bach should sound like J.S. Bach. His son J.C. Bach has a totally different sound, as did his brother Emmanuel.

So, Claude Debussy, as well as his contemporary Ravel, used to go nuts when pianists would try to "romanticize" their music. And, I am a pianist/philosopher whose entire life, at the piano, has been and is a spiritual experience.

This recording ain't it. It is someone, who is currently, or formerly attended The Glenn Gould School, trying to sound like Andras Schiff.

Paraphrasing what I said to Carey recently, it is very precise and beautiful playing, but it ain't J.S. Bach, in my opinion.

Parenthetically, I do not pedal Bach or Mozart because with the proper type of legato I do not find it to be necessary.
Would you like to explain to Angelina "what is Bach" in your opinion, WITHOUT posting any videos, or mentioning the name of none other but yourself?

You see your claims are as valid as your playing is right now: None existent! Where's YOUR personality, YOUR opinion and YOUR performance to speak for YOU?

Don't you realize that what you've just told Angelina is that she's not playing a work by a composer who's been dead for 270 years, as she should be. Like the score can transfer enough information about that precise feeling that Bach is. As if Bach had the same instruments and the same mindset that Angelina and any performer today has. It's as if the Internet doesn't exist, mobile phones don't exist, TV doesn't exist and we can go back to the pure mindset that Bach might've had when composing and performing his works.


Once again, her name is not Angelina, and I will post her true website link at the end of this discourse.
Hem... who cares? I know her name but in internet forums everyone goes by their nickname, rather than their full name. Some of us chose to have our real names on, others didn't. BIG deal!

Quote:
Secondly, Phil and I have lived in the world of Donald Willing, who, not only encouraged his students to think "outside the box," in regards the music of the Baroque Period, he mandated it!
Oooohhhh goody! you know yet more people! How fascinating!

Quote:
This is not Bach!
Apart from "says who" (because you're voicing someone else's words, rather than your own if you want to talk about it), the whole part about what is Bach went unanswered by you! Bravo!

Quote:
Please read the tea leaves for yourselves. It goes against everything I said about Donald Wiling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9OrXSVFnXQ
Hmmm...

Oh well,

Enough polluting of this thread I think!

Angelina,

I really enjoyed your Bach. It has absolutely nothing that I did not enjoy. It was how I was taught Bach and how I enjoy listening to it. I didn't mind one bit the pedal and it's a choice that I also made in my own exams years ago. There's a very strict control of tone and the tempo remains rather rigid throughout.

AS you may know from these forums, I'm probably an advocate for freedom of thought on performances. The "This is not Bach" comment makes me angry exactly for that. Bach's been dead for so long...

Your Mozetich was right to the point *I Think*, but I have very limited knowledge of his works thus I'll limit my comments to the impression your performance made to me.

But I'd like to comment, if you want, to the choice of work. And this is as personal as it can get. I found the Mozetich prelude a bit... uninspiring. I don't know if it's a well known one, or something else, but I felt that you were given limited chances to do something much more interesting... :-/
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#2187596 - 11/24/13 03:48 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
AS you may know from these forums, I'm probably an advocate for freedom of thought on performances. The "This is not Bach" comment makes me angry exactly for that. Bach's been dead for so long...

I'm similarly minded, and since I've always wondered this, now might be the best time to ask -- what will you do in 200 years when someone says, "This is not Nikolas!"
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#2187611 - 11/24/13 06:08 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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My only complaint about the Bach P&F would not be about Pogo's wonderful interpretation but about the piano itself.

It is probably not tuned in "Well Temperament".
Therefore, not producing a choral like sound Bach would have probably thought of.
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#2187618 - 11/24/13 07:12 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Wow. Pogo, all I can say is wow! They are both wonderful.

While one post above criticizes because "it ain't it", I say nonsense. Some people read music with their eyes. Others read music with their hearts. What I hear seems to come from your heart. If we simply "type it out", we would only need one recording.

BRAVO!

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#2187641 - 11/24/13 08:45 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Derulux]
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Originally Posted By: Derulux
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
AS you may know from these forums, I'm probably an advocate for freedom of thought on performances. The "This is not Bach" comment makes me angry exactly for that. Bach's been dead for so long...

I'm similarly minded, and since I've always wondered this, now might be the best time to ask -- what will you do in 200 years when someone says, "This is not Nikolas!"
I'll probably teleport to his place and tell him: "Louis! This IS Nikolas. Get off my lawn"... or something along those lines... grin
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#2187687 - 11/24/13 11:11 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Absolutely gorgeous, Pogo. Both performances were a delight to listen to. Very inspiring!
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#2187689 - 11/24/13 11:21 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Thanks for posting this Pogo. Ignore the buzz kill LP. Your performance was excellent and you also introduced me to the music of Mozetich.
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#2187821 - 11/24/13 04:57 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Very nice, Pogorelich. Well thought out, played with feeling and pudeur as they say in French, hard to translate, modesty perhaps. Thanks!

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#2188040 - 11/25/13 11:41 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I listened to this last Thursday for the first time at work, and quite a few times since.

If the purpose of performance is to touch someone and transport them to a different, dare I say 'spiritual' place, then you've succeeded. That day it was an oasis in a difficult day filled with difficult people.

The music is so beautiful, and I've shared your recording with many at this point.

thank you for sharing this.

Forrest
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#2188845 - 11/26/13 06:18 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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As usual Pogo, like everyone else has already said, your performance is astounding. I love how you bring out the voices in the Bach - the way I'd like to play it if I had the ability. I haven't listened to the other one yet, but I will do someday soon.

The real question here is when are we gonna get the Beethoven 111??
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#2188961 - 11/26/13 10:52 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Thank you all.

beethoven 111, hmmm... That may be for my teacher's ears only, for a long long time...
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#2189669 - 11/28/13 01:28 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I thought these were well played but I don't care for the piano tone. Everything feels washy, like looking at a painting through a glass of water. Obviously you have developed a great sense of dynamic control and it is very impressive (particularly the mozetich). On the other hand, I did not respond as many of the other posters have to the effect that I am not awe-inspired. It is still good. Just didn't move me to that extent.

Also I think it is okay for people to offer their criticisms even of they seem silly. I'm sure mr podesta is willing to elaborate on his criticism (he has to some extent). Just because the majority likes something doesn't mean the one person who is critical deserves to be attacked. This is part of the reason so many subjective evaluations of certain artists and performers become ingrained as some kind of "fact" of art. Everyone should feel encouraged to offer their true, heartfelt opinion without fear of being attacked for going against the norm.

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#2189705 - 11/28/13 03:41 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Very beautiful, intelligent and inspiring playing!
I enjoyed both very much.

Is there somewhere we can enjoy more of your playing in a better-quality format than youtube video?
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#2189715 - 11/28/13 04:07 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I agree. Which is why I said I was okay with the comments. Art is very subjective, and I'll say it again - my aim is not to please everyone.
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#2189720 - 11/28/13 04:15 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Right the last half of my post was addressed actually to the responders who have basically been attacking LP for offering his opinion. You did not go on the offensive and addressed his criticisms, which I find admirable.

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#2189761 - 11/28/13 06:29 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: stalefleas]
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Originally Posted By: stalefleas
I thought these were well played but I don't care for the piano tone. Everything feels washy, like looking at a painting through a glass of water. On the other hand, I did not respond as many of the other posters have to the effect that I am not awe-inspired. It is still good. Just didn't move me to that extent.

I'm sure mr podesta is willing to elaborate on his criticism (he has to some extent). Just because the majority likes something doesn't mean the one person who is critical deserves to be attacked. This is part of the reason so many subjective evaluations of certain artists and performers become ingrained as some kind of "fact" of art. Everyone should feel encouraged to offer their true, heartfelt opinion without fear of being attacked for going against the norm.


My only criticism of this post is that you should change your moniker. I use my real name, which is in the telephone book, because aesthetic criticism is one of my philosophical subsets.

As part that particular philosophy, is that any culture is equal to its level of aesthetic criticism. Proof being the norm on this website, a pianist recently posted a Mendelssohn and a major Debussy work, and there was not one single reply.

The term is called "Herd mentality." That means if there are no glowing and great replies, then, we do nothing because we would not want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Good job "stalefleas," however, I once again urge your to select a name more befitting your level of criticism.

Finally, Pogorelich has stated that she refuses to repost this recording without the OVERPEDALING.

Hey, I am the one who says that Bach should be played in a Bel Canto style. That does not mean to put your foot down on the pedal and then lift it up when you are finished.

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#2189763 - 11/28/13 06:37 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: stalefleas]
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Right the last half of my post was addressed actually to the responders who have basically been attacking LP for offering his opinion. You did not go on the offensive and addressed his criticisms, which I find admirable.


The problem with LP's opinion is that it's always the same: if your not playing the way he would play it then your playing it wrong.
People tend to find that sort of thing offensive. And I find it pretty boring since his entire post count is made up of the same post re-worded.
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#2189765 - 11/28/13 06:43 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Louis Podesta]
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[...] Finally, Pogorelich has stated that she refuses to repost this recording without the OVERPEDALING. [...]


Oh, for cry eye! For someone who wishes that everyone follows their HEART when they play, too, Louis... Jeeze. Give us a break!

Stalefleas--I am curious. What in the world are you listening through (equipment-wise)? This is the clearest, most true and professional recording Angelina has given us to date. (Do a search and assess, I challenge you.) If you don't like the piano's tone, it is not Angelina's fault...

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#2189766 - 11/28/13 06:48 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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BTW, Angelina,

With the Mozetich, I felt that I was standing in the mountains, close to a cataract (of the Wordsworthian variety), and I could practically smell the pines and sense the up-thrust and down-thrust of the geography. I am still in awe of the impression that you evoke with this piece.

Just so ya know.
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#2189849 - 11/28/13 09:52 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Louis Podesta]
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Originally Posted By: stalefleas
I thought these were well played but I don't care for the piano tone. Everything feels washy, like looking at a painting through a glass of water. On the other hand, I did not respond as many of the other posters have to the effect that I am not awe-inspired. It is still good. Just didn't move me to that extent.

I'm sure mr podesta is willing to elaborate on his criticism (he has to some extent). Just because the majority likes something doesn't mean the one person who is critical deserves to be attacked. This is part of the reason so many subjective evaluations of certain artists and performers become ingrained as some kind of "fact" of art. Everyone should feel encouraged to offer their true, heartfelt opinion without fear of being attacked for going against the norm.


My only criticism of this post is that you should change your moniker. I use my real name, which is in the telephone book, because aesthetic criticism is one of my philosophical subsets.

As part that particular philosophy, is that any culture is equal to its level of aesthetic criticism. Proof being the norm on this website, a pianist recently posted a Mendelssohn and a major Debussy work, and there was not one single reply.

The term is called "Herd mentality." That means if there are no glowing and great replies, then, we do nothing because we would not want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Good job "stalefleas," however, I once again urge your to select a name more befitting your level of criticism.

Finally, Pogorelich has stated that she refuses to repost this recording without the OVERPEDALING.

Hey, I am the one who says that Bach should be played in a Bel Canto style. That does not mean to put your foot down on the pedal and then lift it up when you are finished.



Learn to play the piano, Podesta. Until then, shut-up.
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#2189852 - 11/28/13 10:07 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Cinnamonbear]
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Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
[...] Finally, Pogorelich has stated that she refuses to repost this recording without the OVERPEDALING. [...]


Oh, for cry eye! For someone who wishes that everyone follow their HEART when they play, too, Louis... Jeeze. Give us a break!

Stalefleas--I am curious. What in the world are you listening through (equipment-wise)? This is the clearest, most true and professional recording Angelina has given us to date. (Do a search and assess, I challenge you.) If you don't like the piano's tone, it is not Angelina's fault...



I never said or meant to imply it is her fault. I am simply commenting on the piano tone.

To be fair, I am listening on my iPhone--however, I listen to everything on my iPhone and the tone really stood out to me in this instance.

There is a piano that sounds much like the one she is playing at the university I attended. It was a Steinway and I felt it ruined every performance. Even the one time a touring classical pianist came and played, everything was just washed out. I assure you if it is the same problem here it is fault of the piano. That thing was a dream to play but not so wonderful to listen to. It could also be the acoustics of the room, or whatever else. I don't know much about those things so I can't really pinpoint what is producing the effect I am alluding to.

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#2189960 - 11/29/13 06:15 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Louis Podesta]
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My only criticism of this post is that you should change your moniker. I use my real name, which is in the telephone book, because aesthetic criticism is one of my philosophical subsets.

As part that particular philosophy, is that any culture is equal to its level of aesthetic criticism. Proof being the norm on this website, a pianist recently posted a Mendelssohn and a major Debussy work, and there was not one single reply.

The term is called "Herd mentality." That means if there are no glowing and great replies, then, we do nothing because we would not want to hurt anyone's feelings.

Good job "stalefleas," however, I once again urge your to select a name more befitting your level of criticism.

Finally, Pogorelich has stated that she refuses to repost this recording without the OVERPEDALING.

Hey, I am the one who says that Bach should be played in a Bel Canto style. That does not mean to put your foot down on the pedal and then lift it up when you are finished.
You remind me of a friend of mine... a brilliant manager. Insanely smart, beautiful, married, with children. She has everything in her life!

Anyhow...

At some point a few years back I commented how my debit VISA card was rejected in an online purchase. She told me that there are only credit VISA cards. I replied that no, I'm pretty sure that it's a debit card, to which she kept debating how it's a credit card and I've got it wrong.

My next comment was this: "This is a black and white situation. It's one or the other. If you get someone (who btw, holds the card) that says it's a debit card, can you be 100% certain that it's not a debit card?" She told me that she was sure.

So I got my card out and certain enough it was (and still is) a debit card.

This is why she's a manager (and a brilliant one), since he decides and goes for it, and this is why I'm a composer and a musician and open to many performances, of even my own music!

You are neither. I'd suggest that you just leave this site. No crusade ever ended well throughout history and I can't see your own crusade ending anywhere nice (especially considering your ill fitted manners and disregard of internet manners all together)... wink
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#2189963 - 11/29/13 06:30 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: stalefleas]
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To be fair, I am listening on my iPhone--


You're listening on a phone and you're going to say there is a problem with the tone. Really? What is wrong with people?
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#2189964 - 11/29/13 06:34 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stalefleas

To be fair, I am listening on my iPhone--


You're listening on a phone and you're going to say there is a problem with the tone. Really? What is wrong with people?
Just to be 100% fair...

1. He could be making a comparison to other music that he's listening through his iphone, which means that he can still make a comment about it.
2. He could be listening via headphones, in which case we'd have to look into the quality of the headphones and the DA converters of the iphone (which I think are top notch)...
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#2189977 - 11/29/13 07:47 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: stores]
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Originally Posted By: stalefleas

To be fair, I am listening on my iPhone--


You're listening on a phone and you're going to say there is a problem with the tone. Really? What is wrong with people?


To me, looking for comments about the piano or the recording isn't why people usually upload their playing here, anyway. Unless they specifically ask for comments about those aspects of the recording (which does happen once in a while), it seems kind of...I don't know...slightly out of place or something to say anything about them. It's not like any of that is very much under their control, most of the time, so what's the point?

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#2190010 - 11/29/13 10:04 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: stalefleas]
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I think it is okay for people to offer their criticisms even of they seem silly. Just because the majority likes something doesn't mean the one person who is critical deserves to be attacked. This is part of the reason so many subjective evaluations of certain artists and performers become ingrained as some kind of "fact" of art. Everyone should feel encouraged to offer their true, heartfelt opinion without fear of being attacked for going against the norm.

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#2190046 - 11/29/13 11:26 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: stalefleas]
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...as just washed out. I assure you if it is the same problem here it is fault of the piano. That thing was a dream to play but not so wonderful to listen to. It could also be the acoustics of the room, or whatever else. I don't know much about those things so I can't really pinpoint what is producing the effect I am alluding to.


She plays the Bach using very broad range of dynamics. Maybe you are not accustomed to hearing it played that way. Usually it is played with a more narrow dynamic range.
Is this what you are referring to?
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#2190074 - 11/29/13 12:15 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: stores
Originally Posted By: stalefleas

To be fair, I am listening on my iPhone--


You're listening on a phone and you're going to say there is a problem with the tone. Really? What is wrong with people?
Just to be 100% fair...

1. He could be making a comparison to other music that he's listening through his iphone, which means that he can still make a comment about it.
2. He could be listening via headphones, in which case we'd have to look into the quality of the headphones and the DA converters of the iphone (which I think are top notch)...


Or it could be that the things that sound acceptable on his iphone have, in reality, the worst tone. We've never had a consensus, on this forum, as to the meaning of the word "tone" or how it can be manipulated by the pianist.
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#2190085 - 11/29/13 12:38 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I did not even imply that she could have manipulated the tone. I was talking about the piano, specifically, and/or the acoustics of the room, specifically.

Also I focused more so on the attitudes of the posters towards LP than her performance so allow me to provide a more detailed opinion in her playing which may clear up some of the disgruntlement.

Mozetich: An intriguing and emotional piece I have never heard before. Very beautiful, I looked this composer up after hearing this to learn a little more. I really like the harmonic content and the dynamic control. This piece really speaks to me not only because I use similar harmonic vocabulary in my own compositions but because the playing is so nuanced and significant moments of the musical message are relayed in surprising places. (Such as the introduction of melodic or motivic content in the bass.)

Bach: Astounding dynamic control, once again. The independent lines are so clearly articulated and I really like how the chords build on one another while the quieter melodic lines sort of emerge and fade away.

As for the tone--the decay lingers on for whatever reason. This is especially prominent in the Bach where in some instances the passages run together so the sense of phrasing gets lost in the slow decay. This may be due to pedal, but I think it's just general acoustics. This same effect is audible in the mozetich as well but since that piece "runs together" a bit more anyways I think it is less obstructive.

Speaking more generally, I enjoyed the mozetich more than the bach. I think this is due in part to relating more to the sound of the mozetich on a personal level. I am less familiar with polyphonic music and sometimes do not "get it". However, some recordings (like Glenn gould's WTC) I almost uniformly "get" so I do think there are some pianistic choices that influence my own opinion on the matter. However, nonetheless I can tell listening to the bach that the playing is very controlled and expressive so from a technical standpoint I admired this performance nonetheless. Yet, to be perfectly clear I had a hard time feeling the music in this case, for whatever reason.

To the posters... Please just be honest. If you don't like hearing a beloved performance criticized in any way (even a very small way) just say that much. Questioning my judgment or dismissing my comments as completely unnecessary is mean-spirited and misses the point. This is a public forum where all people can and do share their opinions freely. If you disagree with an opinion, that is fair. I am not trying to ruin anyone's experience of these performances. Nor am I trying to insult or doscourage the performer. I am simply contributing my two cents, as everyone else has done.

Really if you find this performance to be awe inspiring you are better off than I am. I love feeling awe inspired. I was just being honest in my response. I don't believe or feel that I need to be corrected or criticized for it.

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#2190102 - 11/29/13 01:14 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: stalefleas]
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I see it as valuable feedback. Same for your first post. At least if it were me, that's what I would want.

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#2190107 - 11/29/13 01:27 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: stalefleas]
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Originally Posted By: stalefleas


To the posters... Please just be honest. If you don't like hearing a beloved performance criticized in any way (even a very small way) just say that much. Questioning my judgment or dismissing my comments as completely unnecessary is mean-spirited and misses the point. This is a public forum where all people can and do share their opinions freely. If you disagree with an opinion, that is fair. I am not trying to ruin anyone's experience of these performances. Nor am I trying to insult or doscourage the performer. I am simply contributing my two cents, as everyone else has done.

Really if you find this performance to be awe inspiring you are better off than I am. I love feeling awe inspired. I was just being honest in my response. I don't believe or feel that I need to be corrected or criticized for it.


Can you point to the posters that questioned your judgment or dismissed your comments?
I can't find the posts you mention in this thread.
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#2190111 - 11/29/13 01:34 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: stalefleas]
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Originally Posted By: stalefleas

As for the tone--the decay lingers on for whatever reason. This is especially prominent in the Bach where in some instances the passages run together so the sense of phrasing gets lost in the slow decay. This may be due to pedal, but I think it's just general acoustics. This same effect is audible in the mozetich as well but since that piece "runs together" a bit more anyways I think it is less obstructive.

To the posters... Please just be honest. If you don't like hearing a beloved performance criticized in any way (even a very small way) just say that much. Questioning my judgment or dismissing my comments as completely unnecessary is mean-spirited and misses the point. This is a public forum where all people can and do share their opinions freely. If you disagree with an opinion, that is fair. I am not trying to ruin anyone's experience of these performances. Nor am I trying to insult or doscourage the performer. I am simply contributing my two cents, as everyone else has done.

Really if you find this performance to be awe inspiring you are better off than I am. I love feeling awe inspired. I was just being honest in my response. I don't believe or feel that I need to be corrected or criticized for it.


Ditto!

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#2190148 - 11/29/13 03:59 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pathbreaker]
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I see it as valuable feedback. Same for your first post. At least if it were me, that's what I would want.
thanks that was my intention

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#2190155 - 11/29/13 04:26 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Whoa, what the... happened here.

Thanks for everyone's comments. I do disagree about it being overpedalled - because I specifically worked on that, and despite not being the greatest pianist, at least I think my ears are pretty good... Haha! But maybe I missed something. I guess some people prefer extremely dry Bach. Which is completely fine... Just not me. You know, I played this on a harpsichord couple days ago. And was talking to the teacher I had a coaching with, and he agreed that because there is reverb on the harpsichord, it is a bit silly to swear off the pedal with Bach.

But again, those are my conclusions. Just me.

Interesting. I say this because when I was playing, I remember I was feeling very frustrated with the *slow* decay of the piano - as it seemed to me at the time. Isn't that weird? I should listen to the recording again. Maybe some reverb was added that I wasnt aware of...


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#2190176 - 11/29/13 05:30 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: stalefleas]
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Questioning my judgment or dismissing my comments as completely unnecessary is mean-spirited and misses the point.


No, it just means you don't know what you're talking about.
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#2190188 - 11/29/13 05:49 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Guys, be civil please.
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#2190207 - 11/29/13 06:18 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Originally Posted By: Pogorelich.
Whoa, what the... happened here.

Thanks for everyone's comments. I do disagree about it being overpedalled - because I specifically worked on that, and despite not being the greatest pianist, at least I think my ears are pretty good... Haha! But maybe I missed something. I guess some people prefer extremely dry Bach. Which is completely fine... Just not me. You know, I played this on a harpsichord couple days ago. And was talking to the teacher I had a coaching with, and he agreed that because there is reverb on the harpsichord, it is a bit silly to swear off the pedal with Bach.

But again, those are my conclusions. Just me.

Interesting. I say this because when I was playing, I remember I was feeling very frustrated with the *slow* decay of the piano - as it seemed to me at the time. Isn't that weird? I should listen to the recording again. Maybe some reverb was added that I wasnt aware of...


This lady is using the word reverb, as it relates to a clavichord, harpsichord, or pianoforte. One of my subsets as a philosopher is aesthetic criticism. The unknown fact is that it is strictly in the area or rock and roll, and heavy metal.

Therefore, as I used a rock musician/audio tech to shoot and edit my video, I know a great deal about echo, reverb, and the overall environment associated with any particular piano recording.

To dumb it down, this video was shot/recorded on an extremely sensitive set of microphones. The oversound or washing that "stalefleas" refers to was, as I said originally, deliberate. Also, the room the piano was in was also a significant part of this "effect."

Now, that the OP has stated that she was trying to re-create her IDEA of a Baroque sound, the recording makes perfect sense. However, as is often stated, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Once again, this recording is not Bach. Make no mistake, it is very beautiful playing, but it is not even remotely in the same universe of traditional and non-traditional Bach performance.

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#2190211 - 11/29/13 06:22 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: stalefleas]
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Originally Posted By: stalefleas


To the posters... Please just be honest. If you don't like hearing a beloved performance criticized in any way (even a very small way) just say that much. Questioning my judgment or dismissing my comments as completely unnecessary is mean-spirited and misses the point. This is a public forum where all people can and do share their opinions freely. If you disagree with an opinion, that is fair. I am not trying to ruin anyone's experience of these performances. Nor am I trying to insult or doscourage the performer. I am simply contributing my two cents, as everyone else has done.



And likewise, this being a public forum, you can't control people's responses to your posts. Getting people to abide by your ideas of what they should and shouldn't post just isn't going to happen. About the most you can do is to use the "ignore user" button, if you don't like reading what they have to say.

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#2190216 - 11/29/13 06:45 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I enjoyed the Bach very much. Sensitive, intelligent playing, with an excellent control of line and shape on many levels. Thanks for sharing it, and also for posting a beautiful recording of the Mozetich piece, which I had never heard before.

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#2190400 - 11/30/13 04:34 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Louis Podesta]
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Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta

This lady is using the word reverb, as it relates to a clavichord, harpsichord, or pianoforte. One of my subsets as a philosopher is aesthetic criticism. The unknown fact is that it is strictly in the area or rock and roll, and heavy metal.

Therefore, as I used a rock musician/audio tech to shoot and edit my video, I know a great deal about echo, reverb, and the overall environment associated with any particular piano recording.

To dumb it down, this video was shot/recorded on an extremely sensitive set of microphones. The oversound or washing that "stalefleas" refers to was, as I said originally, deliberate. Also, the room the piano was in was also a significant part of this "effect."

Now, that the OP has stated that she was trying to re-create her IDEA of a Baroque sound, the recording makes perfect sense. However, as is often stated, a little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Once again, this recording is not Bach. Make no mistake, it is very beautiful playing, but it is not even remotely in the same universe of traditional and non-traditional Bach performance.


Neither traditional nor non-traditional? Although this post appears quite intelligent in actuality it makes absolutely no sense.
And if you're referring to your youtube video I really don't see how the recording quality of that makes you an expert. Hmm, gilded butterflies anyone?
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#2190433 - 11/30/13 07:20 AM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: TheHappyMoron]
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Originally Posted By: TheHappyMoron


Neither traditional nor non-traditional? Although this post appears quite intelligent in actuality it makes absolutely no sense.


+1
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#2190538 - 11/30/13 12:15 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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Good job, Petya.

All of this bickering makes me never want to post here in the future.

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#2190557 - 11/30/13 01:10 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: Pogorelich.]
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I loved both recordings, and as usual, I find myself disagreeing completely with Mr. Podesta, who should stick with rock and roll.

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#2190563 - 11/30/13 01:26 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Good job, Petya.

All of this bickering makes me never want to post here in the future.


Dont let it do that..!
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#2190743 - 11/30/13 09:58 PM Re: Bach and Mozetich [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Good job, Petya.

All of this bickering makes me never want to post here in the future.


That would be so great. But seriously, it really isn't bickering you know.
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