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#2186824 - 11/22/13 10:51 AM Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming!
Minnesota Marty Offline

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Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 7438
Loc: Rochester MN
A number of months ago I posted this thread and thought it might be helpful to do so again. Here are a few considerations to help ensure that you receive a first-rate tuning.

Before Arrival:
  • Make sure that the lawn crew or carpenters are not scheduled at the same time. All Tuners Need Quiet!

  • Clear all objects from the top or lid of the piano. Family Photos - Plants - Candles - Grandma's Ashes - Everything!

  • Make sure that there is adequate lighting. Remember, you will have already removed any piano lamps that either clip on, or are placed on any surface of the piano. This includes the music desk of a grand as it needs to be removed for tuning. Provide a free standing floor lamp if necessary.

  • Dust the piano! Clean the keys!

Upon Arrival:
  • Always treat your tuner with a cordial and mannered disposition. He/She is a professional and should be treated as such.

  • Escort your tuner to the piano, offer a beverage, and make them aware of the closest facilities.

  • Politely excuse yourself and let your tuner do the tuning in private and without interference.

  • Keep Quiet. This is not the time to do the dishes, run the laundry, blast the TV or stereo, or mow the lawn.

  • Corral the kids. A tuner is not a babysitter or an amusement for your children. The same concept applies to pets.

After Tuning:
  • Check the tuning by playing music you have memorized and are comfortable playing. Extended scales, of various types, serve the same purpose. Now is the time to listen to the tuning, not your performance. If you are not a pianist, it is best to assume that the tuning is fine.

  • If your tuner plays the piano, there is nothing wrong with asking him/her to do a little playing so you can stand back and listen to the tuning. It is not a recital for your enjoyment. It is for you to listen to the accuracy of the tuning.

  • If you notice any problems with unisons or intervals, now is the time to have them corrected. It is your responsibility to evaluate the tuning, at the time of service, to give your approval or ask for corrections.

  • When you are satisfied, pay for the service, and conclude the session.

Optional:
  • Tip for the service. I always do, but many do not.

  • Provide a snack or cookies. Hey, we're all human!

  • Have a TV-table(s) available for the tuner's tool kit and/or beverages and munchies.

  • Get to know your tuner. There is nothing wrong with being sociable.

For many of us, we know the routine. However, we always have many newcomers in the forum and I offer these as a general guide.

By all means, please add your own comments and additions. These guidelines are just the basics, as I see them, and it would be great to hear your opinions.
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#2186833 - 11/22/13 11:16 AM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Minnesota Marty]
WurliFan Offline
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Registered: 04/26/13
Posts: 205
Loc: Western PA
Marty, do you tune? Or do you just like playing?
For me, I like to watch the person tune the Piano quietly, but after about 5 minutes of hearing perhaps two notes repeated several times, I get a little bored to say the least. It's interesting to see 'em do it, however. I'll just do a bypass and kind of look for a few seconds.
I act like I'm a tuning observer pro, but I've only seen someone do it once, heh.
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#2186839 - 11/22/13 11:26 AM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Minnesota Marty Offline

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Registered: 05/15/12
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Loc: Rochester MN
Hi Wurli,

My only tuning tool is my phone to call my tuner! Eons ago, when I was in H.S., I borrowed a tuning hammer, and yep, broke a string with the first move. I learned my lesson.

I would guess that some tuners don't mind an audience, but I'm not sure that it would be a high number. It's something which should be discussed with the individual.
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#2186854 - 11/22/13 11:55 AM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Minnesota Marty]
WurliFan Offline
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Registered: 04/26/13
Posts: 205
Loc: Western PA
Eons ago....The 1970s?
And yeah. I don't really watch them the entire time. I just watch for the first few minutes. The man who tuned mine was very sociable...in fact, after he was done, he continued talking to me for about 20 minutes. Showed me his kids, told me about how his town was in so much debt, explained Wurlitzer to me.....and other things. Quite a talker!
But Hey, I got a good convo!
(He spent 4 hours tuning my Piano. LOL!)


Edited by WurliFan (11/22/13 11:56 AM)
Edit Reason: 'The Man Who Tuned Man' .....Typo.
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I'm OCD with pianos, spinets in particular.
Famous Studios That Have Used Spinets in the 50s, just for fun!
Sun Records
Specialty Records
Atlantic Records
Roulette Records
Stax Records
Imperial Records
Chess Records
Still counting.....

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#2186858 - 11/22/13 12:20 PM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Rickster Offline


Registered: 03/25/06
Posts: 8535
Loc: Georgia, USA
Although I’m not particularly welcome on the Piano Technician’s forum here, I must say that I’ve enjoyed learning to tune my pianos about as much as I’ve enjoyed learning to play. Most, but not all, piano tuners play the piano; one skill complements the other. By the same token, not all piano dealers/sales people play the piano, but most do.

It seems to me that a lot of pianists/musicians/technicians usually go into the piano business. I suppose there is a lot more money to be made selling pianos than in the music business. My take on the music/entertainment business is that you can be incredibly talented musically and not be able to make a living at it… hence, only a very few musicians can actually make a living at it, but that is just my opinion based on my limited knowledge of the professional music field.

Getting back to tuning pianos, it is not quick and easy to learn, and can be quite pain staking and time consuming. I’ve heard some piano tuners brag about how they can tune a piano from start to finish in 45 minutes… not me; The first time I did it from start to finish, it took me 8 hours; now I’m down to about 2 hours, so I guess I’m making progress.

In the process, I’ve gained a lot of respect and admiration for good piano tuners. The good ones earn their money, and then some.

Rick

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#2186902 - 11/22/13 02:17 PM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Rickster]
OperaTenor Offline
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Registered: 04/13/06
Posts: 2381
Loc: Sandy Eggo, California
Originally Posted By: Rickster
Although I’m not particularly welcome on the Piano Technician’s forum here,


Huh?

Who here doesn't make you feel welcome? IOW, whose ass do I need to kick?



Edited by OperaTenor (11/22/13 02:19 PM)
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#2186903 - 11/22/13 02:18 PM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Minnesota Marty]
OperaTenor Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/13/06
Posts: 2381
Loc: Sandy Eggo, California
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
A number of months ago I posted this thread and thought it might be helpful to do so again. Here are a few considerations to help ensure that you receive a first-rate tuning.

Before Arrival:
  • Make sure that the lawn crew or carpenters are not scheduled at the same time. All Tuners Need Quiet!

  • Clear all objects from the top or lid of the piano. Family Photos - Plants - Candles - Grandma's Ashes - Everything!

  • Make sure that there is adequate lighting. Remember, you will have already removed any piano lamps that either clip on, or are placed on any surface of the piano. This includes the music desk of a grand as it needs to be removed for tuning. Provide a free standing floor lamp if necessary.

  • Dust the piano! Clean the keys!

Upon Arrival:
  • Always treat your tuner with a cordial and mannered disposition. He/She is a professional and should be treated as such.

  • Escort your tuner to the piano, offer a beverage, and make them aware of the closest facilities.

  • Politely excuse yourself and let your tuner do the tuning in private and without interference.

  • Keep Quiet. This is not the time to do the dishes, run the laundry, blast the TV or stereo, or mow the lawn.

  • Corral the kids. A tuner is not a babysitter or an amusement for your children. The same concept applies to pets.

After Tuning:
  • Check the tuning by playing music you have memorized and are comfortable playing. Extended scales, of various types, serve the same purpose. Now is the time to listen to the tuning, not your performance. If you are not a pianist, it is best to assume that the tuning is fine.

  • If your tuner plays the piano, there is nothing wrong with asking him/her to do a little playing so you can stand back and listen to the tuning. It is not a recital for your enjoyment. It is for you to listen to the accuracy of the tuning.

  • If you notice any problems with unisons or intervals, now is the time to have them corrected. It is your responsibility to evaluate the tuning, at the time of service, to give your approval or ask for corrections.

  • When you are satisfied, pay for the service, and conclude the session.

Optional:
  • Tip for the service. I always do, but many do not.

  • Provide a snack or cookies. Hey, we're all human!

  • Have a TV-table(s) available for the tuner's tool kit and/or beverages and munchies.

  • Get to know your tuner. There is nothing wrong with being sociable.

For many of us, we know the routine. However, we always have many newcomers in the forum and I offer these as a general guide.

By all means, please add your own comments and additions. These guidelines are just the basics, as I see them, and it would be great to hear your opinions.


If i'm ever in your neck of the woods, I want to come tune your piano just so i can feel pampered...
_________________________
Happiness is a freshly tuned piano.
Jim Boydston, proprietor, No Piano Left Behind - technician
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#2186907 - 11/22/13 02:27 PM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 7438
Loc: Rochester MN
Jim,

Please let me know, in advance, your choice of beverage and favorite cookies. Out-of-the-oven chocolate chip cookies are the default setting.

Oh -- With or without nuts?

grin
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#2186909 - 11/22/13 02:27 PM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Rickster]
iLaw Offline
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Registered: 01/07/10
Posts: 193
Loc: Chicago
Originally Posted By: Rickster

... I must say that I’ve enjoyed learning to tune my pianos about as much as I’ve enjoyed learning to play ... one skill complements the other ...


This is OT so I'll keep it brief, but my experience was the exact opposite. In music school I accepted a work-study job touching up the tuning on practice room pianos. I was given a basic tuning kit and basic training, but I lasted less than a semester. Within a few weeks I was so frustrated with the tuning of every piano I sat down at that, out would come the tools and I soon was spending more time tuning than practicing.

I turned in my hammer and have left the tuning to professionals ever since.

Larry.

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#2186915 - 11/22/13 02:31 PM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Minnesota Marty]
OperaTenor Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/13/06
Posts: 2381
Loc: Sandy Eggo, California
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Jim,

Please let me know, in advance, your choice of beverage and favorite cookies. Out-of-the-oven chocolate chip cookies are the default setting.

Oh -- With or without nuts?

grin


Your default is excellent! With nuts, please.
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#2186937 - 11/22/13 03:45 PM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Rickster Offline


Registered: 03/25/06
Posts: 8535
Loc: Georgia, USA
Originally Posted By: iLaw
This is OT so I'll keep it brief, but my experience was the exact opposite. In music school I accepted a work-study job touching up the tuning on practice room pianos. I was given a basic tuning kit and basic training, but I lasted less than a semester. Within a few weeks I was so frustrated with the tuning of every piano I sat down at that, out would come the tools and I soon was spending more time tuning than practicing.

I turned in my hammer and have left the tuning to professionals ever since.

Larry.

I'll admit that learning to tune pianos can be a lot more frustrating than learning to play... all the more reason to hug your tuner next time you see them. smile

Rick
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#2186988 - 11/22/13 05:27 PM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Rickster]
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Registered: 10/11/12
Posts: 544
Loc: Northern Virgina
Originally Posted By: Rickster
I’ve enjoyed learning to tune my pianos about as much as I’ve enjoyed learning to play.

I'll admit that I'm intrigued by this too! The piano's been here less than 2 months, arrived in surprisingly good tune, and has held it though. I have a pretty good quality chromatic tuner for my guitars, and it shows A right at 440, and most everything in line with that (including stretched octaves).

There are just a couple of notes that sound a bit iffy now (sharps, so I tend not to hit them much--still in Alfred's book 1). I haven't taken the plunge on buying a tuning hammer and other tools, but I think I will at some point.

I used to think tuning my 12 string was a PIA compared to six strings. 88 notes, most with two or more strings will be a whole new ball game! ;-) Tuning a guitar is similar, of course, on a smaller scale: if you tune by ear you're tuning unisons and listening for beats, so I'm not worried about the ear part, so much as the technique, like the touch necessary to set the pin properly so it will hold the tune.
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#2187051 - 11/22/13 07:40 PM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Retsacnal]
thetandyman Offline
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Registered: 03/27/12
Posts: 443
Loc: Indiana
I touch up my piano once in awhile between tunings, but when I was in college back in the mid seventies, I used to hang around a music store in Midland MI. One day, they received a new Baldwin electric player. It was just out of the crate and badly out of tune. I took up the task to tweak it and totally ruined the tuning due to my ignorance. Didn't destroy it, but learned quickly to start in the middle, not at the bass registers!!!! LOL
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#2187079 - 11/22/13 09:32 PM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Minnesota Marty]
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Registered: 09/09/13
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Loc: Toronto
Phew! I hit most of these points yesterday when the tuner came!

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#2187089 - 11/22/13 10:05 PM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Minnesota Marty]
shaolin95 Offline
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I indeed plan to use that list for sure for my next tuning although last time I stayed the whole time with with my tech as he kept explaining things to me so I guess he enjoyed sharing the information and you bet I loved learning all about it! smile
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#2187482 - 11/23/13 06:49 PM Re: Yikes - The Tuner Is Coming! [Re: Minnesota Marty]
Jasper82 Offline
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Registered: 02/11/10
Posts: 118
Loc: Ann Arbor MI
My tuner is pretty cool. The first time he tuned my piano, the neighbor came yelling at my door telling me it had to stop! The piano was against her wall and I guess she could hear everything. I had to tell her that he was almost done. She said it doesn't take that long to tune a piano. I think it was also unbearable for her because she had some sort of mental illness and the tuner was doing a pitch raise for the whole piano. I think I had my piano tuned once after that, maybe... I can't really remember.

But this time in january he's going to be doing the work here at my parents house and it won't bother anyone.

I'll try to be as nice to him as possible. Plus, my piano is basically in tune, just could be a little bit more accurate.
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