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#2188235 - 11/25/13 06:45 PM Re: Lies Music Teachers Believe [Re: laguna_greg]
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Originally Posted By: laguna_greg
And if you think that's what it takes to make a successful studio, or have good career as a teacher, you don't know 1- much about this business, or 2- anything about teaching.

Agreed. Shameless self promotion usually is counterproductive in this business. Teaching piano often involves working with the same client(s) (our students) for over ten years. Why would there be a need for pushy "used-car-salesman" behavior? Visibility within the community and perhaps some tasteful advertising can be beneficial at times.

I hope the OP is listening. These can be hard learning points, but worthwhile. There have been several advertising, self serving posts in the past. Forum members seem to have gracefully ignored them. I think this one was past the tipping point.
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#2188313 - 11/25/13 10:04 PM Re: Lies Music Teachers Believe [Re: musicpassion]
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Originally Posted By: musicpassion
Originally Posted By: laguna_greg
And if you think that's what it takes to make a successful studio, or have good career as a teacher, you don't know 1- much about this business, or 2- anything about teaching.

Agreed. Shameless self promotion usually is counterproductive in this business. Teaching piano often involves working with the same client(s) (our students) for over ten years. Why would there be a need for pushy "used-car-salesman" behavior? Visibility within the community and perhaps some tasteful advertising can be beneficial at times.

I hope the OP is listening. These can be hard learning points, but worthwhile. There have been several advertising, self serving posts in the past. Forum members seem to have gracefully ignored them. I think this one was past the tipping point.


Hi Passion,

In this day and age of Skype lessons, and digital this-and-that, sometimes these hard-sell strategies work...to make money.

But it doesn't make great musicians, and it doesn't produce Great Art. And it also doesn't make for a very nice life, in the long run, nor does it lead to the success people think it will. Nothing easy ever does.

But today, instant gratification takes too long! God help these people if they ever have to learn how to play a trill.
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#2188431 - 11/26/13 02:21 AM Re: Lies Music Teachers Believe [Re: laguna_greg]
musicpassion Offline
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Originally Posted By: laguna_greg
it also doesn't make for a very nice life, in the long run, nor does it lead to the success people think it will. Nothing easy ever does.

+1
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#2188435 - 11/26/13 02:46 AM Re: Lies Music Teachers Believe [Re: laguna_greg]
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Originally Posted By: laguna_greg
Originally Posted By: musicpassion
Originally Posted By: laguna_greg
And if you think that's what it takes to make a successful studio, or have good career as a teacher, you don't know 1- much about this business, or 2- anything about teaching.

Agreed. Shameless self promotion usually is counterproductive in this business. Teaching piano often involves working with the same client(s) (our students) for over ten years. Why would there be a need for pushy "used-car-salesman" behavior? Visibility within the community and perhaps some tasteful advertising can be beneficial at times.

I hope the OP is listening. These can be hard learning points, but worthwhile. There have been several advertising, self serving posts in the past. Forum members seem to have gracefully ignored them. I think this one was past the tipping point.


Hi Passion,

In this day and age of Skype lessons, and digital this-and-that, sometimes these hard-sell strategies work...to make money.

But it doesn't make great musicians, and it doesn't produce Great Art. And it also doesn't make for a very nice life, in the long run, nor does it lead to the success people think it will. Nothing easy ever does.

But today, instant gratification takes too long! God help these people if they ever have to learn how to play a trill.

LG, I agree with you about Skype when people truly have the chance to study with teachers in real time.

(There are special circumstances when that is not possible.)

For me the biggest drawback is the quality of sound. Even when both people - teacher and student - have good cameras, Skype does not always provide great connections, and even when it does the sound at best is not too good.

Also, even when cameras are working well, it's not the same as being able to move around and see things from all distances and angles.
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#2188537 - 11/26/13 09:29 AM Re: Lies Music Teachers Believe [Re: nyke]
Morodiene Offline
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I think that if nyke were really interested in being a part of this community, she would be posting on other topics and contributing and learning like the rest of us. Oh, and not poaching.

RE: Skype. I must say that it has allowed me to teach several students that I would not otherwise be able to teach. One was a voice student had to leave the US and return to Haiti to live with her family, and she has still progressed quite well in spite of the issues. I hope that someday she will be able to return to the US so I can work with her in person, but this is better than nothing. Same goes for my voice student who is a pop singer and often on tour all over the world. Then there are the voice and piano students who just didn't want to part ways when I moved from WI.

Apart from the woman in Haiti, however, I do get to see all of my students in person 2-3 times per year. This helps. And I would not take a voice student on Skype whom I had never worked with in person before - although piano I probably would. That hasn't come up yet. Still, nothing beats regular, in-person lessons.
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#2188892 - 11/26/13 07:38 PM Re: Lies Music Teachers Believe [Re: Gary D.]
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Hi Moro and Gary,

I shouldn't be running down Skype so very much as I use it myself, and not just for lessons. However, I'm not in the volume piano lesson business.

I agree about its limitations. You end up intuiting a lot of things that you can't see or hear, which sometimes works.
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1919 Mason & Hamlin AA
1931 Bechstein C - now sold
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/greg-dempster/34/325/6b9/ (my day job)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Taubman (a recent article I wrote about one of my teachers)

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