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#2188965 - 11/26/13 10:57 PM Debussy - I'lse Joyeuse
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Here is some Debussy. Any comments are greatly appreciated.

https://app.box.com/s/z3ezef3qrzvt67n9yeam

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#2189816 - 11/28/13 08:35 PM Re: Debussy - I'lse Joyeuse [Re: Rob00996]
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Sounded good to me. smile
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#2189853 - 11/28/13 10:08 PM Re: Debussy - I'lse Joyeuse [Re: Rob00996]
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Bravo. Very impressive !!!!! thumb
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#2190003 - 11/29/13 09:38 AM Re: Debussy - I'lse Joyeuse [Re: Rob00996]
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Hi, Rob! I especially liked several items in this presentation -- a strong rhythmic statement in the first section, which for me is very Spanish-sounding; the very clear articulation in the subsequent material, retaining the dancelike character; the meticulous attention to directives in the score, IMO very important for Debussy. My only criticism is that the presentation feels a little TOO literal, somewhat over-controlled -- particularly in the "warm" melodic section and the subsequent amplified restatement leading into the climax, I think it needs, well, more unbridled joy in the mix. But -- a very solid performance, and thanks for sharing it!

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#2190042 - 11/29/13 11:17 AM Re: Debussy - I'lse Joyeuse [Re: Rob00996]
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Okay, for starters, for all of you Urtext freaks, there is no rest at the end of measure #1 or measure #4. If anything, Debussy was known for playing through rests, but I never heard of him inserting one where it did not previously exist.

The fermata means that you can stretch out the trill per "Quasi una candenza," like it says at the top. It don't mean stop.

Secondly, this piece, which was written for his lover, is for all practical purposes a tone poem which is rich in visual imagery. The autograph of this work actually has little love notes in the margins that he wrote to Ms. Bardac, while he was still married to the first Mrs. Debussy.

The piece supposedly sold 10,000 copies in six months when word of all this got out. That, and Mrs. Debussy shot herself in the chest, and lived, when she found out about the affair.

However, this particular performance is very one dimensional. As the saying goes in music school: everyone plays this piece, but very few people play it well.

So, as an example, I once again list a link to what is often considered one of the best performances of this work, which shows the storytelling nature of this piece. Each section has its own individual character.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeBZT5_iEeA

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#2190044 - 11/29/13 11:23 AM Re: Debussy - I'lse Joyeuse [Re: Louis Podesta]
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Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta


However, this particular performance is very one dimensional. As the saying goes in music school: everyone plays this piece, but very few people play it well.

So, as an example, I once again list a link to what is often considered one of the best performances of this work.


You disapprove? I'm shocked! Shocked I say!
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#2190117 - 11/29/13 02:11 PM Re: Debussy - I'lse Joyeuse [Re: Louis Podesta]
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Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta


However, this particular performance is very one dimensional. As the saying goes in music school: everyone plays this piece, but very few people play it well.

So, as an example, I once again list a link to what is often considered one of the best performances of this work, which shows the storytelling nature of this piece. Each section has its own individual character.


Of course the Horowitz rendition is going to have more brilliance, depth and variety. He was arguably the greatest pianist of the 20th century. The OP is most likely a student. His playing is solid. Certainly there are some things he's overlooked in the score - and most likely, the longer he lives with this work (he only started learning it last June) the more he will discover and be able to convey.

You've mentioned that you're currently working on this piece. Hopefully you'll be able to share your own recording with us in the future. smile



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#2190126 - 11/29/13 02:47 PM Re: Debussy - I'lse Joyeuse [Re: Rob00996]
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As a matter of fact, I have always felt a special kinship with this composer starting back in 1971 when I man by the name of Jack Roberts taught me "La fille aux cheveux de lin." It usually takes me very little time to learn one of Debussy's works, however "L'isle joyeue" has turned out to be the exception.

The reason is that every section paints a different picture in the listener's mind. Starting in the left hand in measure #7, and continuing throughout, he uses a figure in the left hand that most people play wrong. Even Dorothy Taubman in one of her master classes taught a student to play it with a Spanish rhythm.

In that this man ran off to the Isle of Jersey with his girlfriend, this figure mimics the soft crashing of the waves against the shoreline. He has a rolled 16th note figure leading into two consecutive staccato eighth notes the first time, and then he has them tied the second time. Anyone who has watched ocean waves sees an initial strong wave immediately following by a softer one. That is why I half pedal the first one with a slightly louder sound, and then fully pedal the second one with a softer dynamic.

Mini-dissertation being over, this type of imagery throughout, coupled with the overwhelming sexual nature of this piece makes it horrifically difficult. That is if you want to get it right and achieve what the composer was trying to get across, in my opinion.

Everyone uses the word climax in conjunction with music, but as far I know Claude Debussy is the first composer for the piano to actually pull it off in the last four measures of this piece, literally!

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#2190149 - 11/29/13 04:05 PM Re: Debussy - I'lse Joyeuse [Re: Louis Podesta]
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Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
As a matter of fact, I have always felt a special kinship with this composer starting back in 1971 when I man by the name of Jack Roberts taught me "La fille aux cheveux de lin."


That same year, Roberts had me working on Bach, Mozart, Brahms, Beethoven and Chopin. Sometimes I wish we'd been able to tackle a little Debussy or Ravel. smile

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Mini-dissertation being over, this type of imagery throughout, coupled with the overwhelming sexual nature of this piece makes it horrifically difficult. That is if you want to get it right and achieve what the composer was trying to get across, in my opinion.


I doubt anyone here is going to argue with you about the "horrifically difficult" part !! grin




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#2192235 - 12/04/13 01:22 AM Re: Debussy - I'lse Joyeuse [Re: Rob00996]
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A very good performance.
I suggest you correct the spelling in the thread title and the audio file name.

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