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#2189010 - 11/27/13 01:35 AM 8 hours left ,buying shimmel piano from 70's,help
ado Offline
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Good day to you fellow pianists,in about 8 hours I will be making decision on buying shimmel piano from around seventies as far as I know by the serial number 75 504,its a small study piano or what they call here piano de etude (france).
Two pedals about 99 cm high,brown colour ,now this being a small and study piano does it mean it might be sort of entry level piano or piano for kids(students) to learn on or something like that.
I'm interested especially in action ,would this be inferior to other bigger pianos.(possibly someone knows this model)
I heard shimmel makes good pianos so I wonder.I been playing for about 15 years(jazz ,blues,rock,pop,latin etc.)and my level is I dare to say advanced.
Thank you
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#2189020 - 11/27/13 02:06 AM Re: 8 hours left ,buying shimmel piano from 70's,help [Re: ado]
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That piano would have been made about 1965, so it is older than you think it is. It is very small, and small pianos do not hold up as well as bigger pianos.
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#2189022 - 11/27/13 02:16 AM Re: 8 hours left ,buying shimmel piano from 70's,help [Re: ado]
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Thanks BDB I apreciate your help ,by small does it mean lower keyboard level also ? And please what do you mean by hold up
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#2189029 - 11/27/13 02:36 AM Re: 8 hours left ,buying shimmel piano from 70's,help [Re: ado]
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It could mean that the keyboard is lower, but that depends on how they designed the piano.

Smaller pianos have the same amount of stress but smaller parts, so those parts can wear out faster.
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#2189034 - 11/27/13 02:57 AM Re: 8 hours left ,buying shimmel piano from 70's,help [Re: ado]
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Ok I get it smaller parts,so in a case it hasn't been played and moved much it should be ok.
So it doesn't nessesarily mean that studios are inferior in touch and action to uprights ? Thanks again for your time BDB
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#2189050 - 11/27/13 05:02 AM Re: 8 hours left ,buying shimmel piano from 70's,help [Re: ado]
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I've seen several of these small Schimmel pianos, they have a Renner action which looks pretty much to be of normal size. The keyboard may be very slightly lower than that of a larger upright but I have never found it a problem and I'm over 1,90m. Those I have played struck me as being just about as good as an upright of that size can be.

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#2189053 - 11/27/13 05:06 AM Re: 8 hours left ,buying shimmel piano from 70's,help [Re: ado]
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I don't know this specific model. So my comments are just general information.

If I understand correctly you're asking about differences between large, full size uprights, and smaller "console" size verticals. The action is usually significantly better on the full size uprights. A full size upright is designed for serious, heavier use. If you're an advanced player, you'd notice the action difference immediately. In my opinion, the actions on the very best full size uprights can rival some average grands.

I don't hold Shimmel in as high regard as many folks do. I consider them roughly equivalent to the best Yamahas, but nowhere approaching something like a Bluthner.

However, I'm not trying to discourage the purchase. It might be that it's a good value for your budget.
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#2189066 - 11/27/13 06:35 AM Re: 8 hours left ,buying shimmel piano from 70's,help [Re: ado]
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It's relatively cheap(600 euros might get it down to 500 hopefully)I will be there in couple of hours playing it and see how the action feels,it might as well turn up wasted gas and money for the dolly
Thank you very much folks for the help.
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#2189085 - 11/27/13 07:57 AM Re: 8 hours left ,buying shimmel piano from 70's,help [Re: ado]
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You are considering the original "Continental console". Schimmel made many of these, beginning in the 1950's. They were made originally to fit up tight urban European stairways in older buildings that had no elevators. They were incredibly popular and designed to be reasonably priced instruments.

The piano was nicely made, but it is not equivalent to the larger uprights that Schimmel builds today.

If you must make a decision and you are not totally comfortable, pass on this piano. There will be others.

Good Luck,
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#2189270 - 11/27/13 03:21 PM Re: 8 hours left ,buying shimmel piano from 70's,help [Re: ado]
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Thank you Rich ,finally I didn't get it ,I knew it the moment I sat down and played it .
Well I know now better what to look for in the future ,thanks guys
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#2189279 - 11/27/13 03:41 PM Re: 8 hours left ,buying shimmel piano from 70's,help [Re: ado]
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Registered: 12/09/12
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Your experience is why it is so important for a prospective purchaser to try any prospective piano before they hire a technician to evaluate. Good luck on your piano search. Play as many different ones as you can if you need to develop your "feel" for judgment.
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