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I thought the problem you are having is instability, not what method is used. Different troll food, of course... 
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I measure it with my laser guided digital metric tape measure with false beat offset calibration, custom stretch scale compensation, simultaneous back scale harmonic tuning, floating aliquot pitch meter, 657 temperment reference template including reverse well and Quantz/Handel Enharmonic Baroque VI temperament.
(Must be suffering from turkey overdosing) I just started reading this thread. I don't care what anyone else wrote; SAM WINS. Yea, I want some of that Turkey he was eating!
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I measure it with my laser guided digital metric tape measure with false beat offset calibration, custom stretch scale compensation, simultaneous back scale harmonic tuning, floating aliquot pitch meter, 657 temperment reference template including reverse well and Quantz/Handel Enharmonic Baroque VI temperament.
(Must be suffering from turkey overdosing) I just started reading this thread. I don't care what anyone else wrote; SAM WINS. Yea, I want some of that Turkey he was eating! I have no doubt that some people were using particular herbs, recently made legal in my state, as seasoning. I wasn't one of them however. Given the circumstance and the propensity of the OP, I thought a somewhat absurd question deserved and equally weighted answer.
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Adam, you are correct in every word you say. Exactly that was the situation. This was an experimental tuning to evaluate the Ultratune software. I deliberately wanted from the Turkish tuner to tune using the Ultratune software. What I am trying to say is that, if it were the Russian tuner I am almost sure that he would at least point out to me about the wrong intervals and octaves as he proceeded and at some point ask my approval whether to continue or not. In fact the Ultratune software first requires a temperament octave (A3-A4) to be tuned by the software before proceeding with the rest of the piano. I am sure the Russian tuner would check the very first intervals as he proceeded. That is what I am trying to emphasize on what Isaac has pointed out.
As all those tuners pretend they tune aurally, the reason they dont when using the ETD ?
The reason, to me, is that the ETD shows something they do not hear, so they cannot really grasp the tuning proposed by the ETD and are obliged to follow it blindly (may I say "deafly")
In that aspect, using ETD is creating more insecurity for the tuner, than it help him to feel he master well the process.
Yes, he has tuned my piano several times since 2006 using a TLA CTS 32L tuner. And once with the old trial version of Tunelab. There was always some instability of the treble unisons after his tunings. At this last Ultratune tuning I at least pointed out that there was stability issues after he leaves and requested that the unisons be more stable. That is why probably he spent about 4 hours to tune the piano. Hakki, why would you make such a specific request to have a tuning done with a specific software? What's the motive for this? 4 hours for tuning is a long time... I'd say one and done with that person.
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SMHaley, why would I answer someone's question, while he has not provided a proper answer to my question ?
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Hakki, the world doesn't owe you anything. We don't owe you answers.
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Hakki, the world doesn't owe you anything. We don't owe you answers. Sure. I try to be dismissive about posts like SMHaley's. Rickster has warned me about this forum. But I still count on the number of reasonable posters here.
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Hakki, the world doesn't owe you anything. We don't owe you answers. Sure. I try to be dismissive about posts like SMHaley's. Rickster has warned me about this forum. But I still count on the number of reasonable posters here. Many of us are reasonable, and expect reasonableness in return.
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Y>es we do, and that "Rickster" is THE enemy !
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Those guys should not be allowed
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Plus, I am sure he moves his fingers while he play, I cannot stand that.
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I get short of batteries
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Phil, I agree. However, racist/ethnic jokes are not only unreasonable, but very unfortunate too. Hakki, the world doesn't owe you anything. We don't owe you answers. Sure. I try to be dismissive about posts like SMHaley's. Rickster has warned me about this forum. But I still count on the number of reasonable posters here. Many of us are reasonable, and expect reasonableness in return.
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Now you're just being silly. Both of you!
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Posts - both reasonable and unreasonable - are not limited to this particular forum. Discernment is required where ever one reads.
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