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#2192285 - 12/04/13 06:43 AM Comment on my score?
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I believe this to be the best score I've made yet. Any feedback would be great.

http://pdfuploader.com/uppdfs/1019/Prelude_G_major.pdf

(for better quality, download the score and open it in your own PDF reader)

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#2192326 - 12/04/13 08:35 AM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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Overall it looks nice. The 16th note stems in the left hand are generally a bit short and that causes a collision with the natural in bar 4. You could raise the stem enough without colliding with your crescendo marking. Other than that it looks fine.

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#2192372 - 12/04/13 11:28 AM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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Accidentals:

Bar 4
Bar 5, melody, 2nd note
Bar 6, melody, 2nd note
Bar 9, melody, 2nd note
Bar 10, melody, 2nd note
Bar 13, RH, 1st note
Bar 17, melody, 2nd note
Bar 19, melody, 2nd note
Bar 21
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#2192414 - 12/04/13 12:50 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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Could we get a midi?

lol

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#2192419 - 12/04/13 01:05 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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I don't think those dotted lines after cresc and dim are necessary. It's pretty obvious in the first two measures that you're crescendoing into the mezzo forte, at least, to me. Also they look quite strange extending across the whole line. Not sure what composer policy is on those.

Also for you accidentals, I'll just address the first discrepancy and that might serve as an example for others that are strange. I don't understand why Polyphonist mentions bar 4, I'm not saying he's incorrect but I don't understand why that would be notated e# instead of f natural.

Anyways, in m5 you notate Ab, but your chord in that measure is a D7 chord. Ab implies a change in the harmony, but actually you're playing a non chord tone, you're not changing the harmony but adding color to the underlying harmony. Therefore g# is going to be more accurate (what would be called the #4 in jazz and contemporary theory). Ab would be appropriate if you were modulating to a key with Ab in it... but you ain't! Also of you spell this with g# instead you won't have to write a natural at the end of the measure, so you'll have one less piece of information to process and it will be somewhat easier on the eyes (not that what you wrote is hard to understand).

Does that make any sense? In sum your "A" is already called for, there is an A natural in the chord of D7--g, however is not called for, there is not any kind of g in your chord at all so using g# does not imply any change to the underlying harmony.

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#2192424 - 12/04/13 01:10 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: IstvánE]
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Originally Posted By: gizzards
Could we get a midi?

lol

Seconded.

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#2192441 - 12/04/13 01:58 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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#2192451 - 12/04/13 02:22 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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One more comment, what are you crescendoing to from m6 to m8 before the subsequent diminuendo? While the dynamics might be implied by the music, if you want a specific dynamic by m8 you may want to write it in. I would assume, just at a glance, probably mp, though perhaps mf. I would certainly judge by playing through. If mp is your intention, leaving it blank there may be adequate, but otherwise you might want to specify.

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#2192462 - 12/04/13 02:41 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: stalefleas]
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Originally Posted By: stalefleas
One more comment, what are you crescendoing to from m6 to m8 before the subsequent diminuendo? While the dynamics might be implied by the music, if you want a specific dynamic by m8 you may want to write it in. I would assume, just at a glance, probably mp, though perhaps mf. I would certainly judge by playing through. If mp is your intention, leaving it blank there may be adequate, but otherwise you might want to specify.


I thought about that. Thanks for your feedback -- I changed it.

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#2192489 - 12/04/13 04:14 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: stalefleas]
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Originally Posted By: stalefleas
Originally Posted By: gizzards
Could we get a midi?

lol

Seconded.


Okay, but you've heard this before. This isn't new.

http://picosong.com/kqFZ/

If you can, go and actually play it yourself. whome

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#2192529 - 12/04/13 05:07 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: stalefleas
Originally Posted By: gizzards
Could we get a midi?

lol

Seconded.


Okay, but you've heard this before. This isn't new.

http://picosong.com/kqFZ/

If you can, go and actually play it yourself. whome

What a hypocrite. grin
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#2192531 - 12/04/13 05:14 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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hey Joel,

I've had this on my mind today and I keep wondering about something, though I could be dead wrong with this.

Your time signature is 6/8, so 3+3/8... HOWEVER in your score you keep dividing your 16ths, in 3+3+3+3/16ths, which is not right according to your time signature.

As far as I'm concerned, I think you should either go for 3/8 or 6/16 in your time signature, in which case you wouldn't have this clash of elements. The idea of 3/8 is reinforced in bar 15 and 16 (where effectively you have a hemiola).

Also, dolce goes in the middle to be meant for both staves...

some things to think about I guess, but I'm not entirely sure myself!
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#2192532 - 12/04/13 05:16 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: stalefleas
Originally Posted By: gizzards
Could we get a midi?

lol

Seconded.


Okay, but you've heard this before. This isn't new.

http://picosong.com/kqFZ/

If you can, go and actually play it yourself. whome

What a hypocrite. grin


I know. grin

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#2192536 - 12/04/13 05:20 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: Nikolas]
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Originally Posted By: Nikolas
hey Joel,

I've had this on my mind today and I keep wondering about something, though I could be dead wrong with this.

Your time signature is 6/8, so 3+3/8... HOWEVER in your score you keep dividing your 16ths, in 3+3+3+3/16ths, which is not right according to your time signature.


I don't understand why this doesn't work. Are you saying the feel of the pulse doesn't match the time signature?

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#2192549 - 12/04/13 05:35 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
hey Joel,

I've had this on my mind today and I keep wondering about something, though I could be dead wrong with this.

Your time signature is 6/8, so 3+3/8... HOWEVER in your score you keep dividing your 16ths, in 3+3+3+3/16ths, which is not right according to your time signature.


I don't understand why this doesn't work.

It does.
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#2192593 - 12/04/13 06:41 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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Oh yes I thought this looked very familiar, but for some strange reason, I thought your previous prelude was in e minor, and that you decided for some reason to use the same sort of "idea" but now in the relative major, for whatever reason. So yes this makes much more sense now, this is the same piece--and my personal favorite of the ones I've heard from you so far.

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#2192595 - 12/04/13 06:43 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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And actually I did start on this piece when you originally posted it in another thread. Now that my printer is working maybe I'll give it another go, it is aggravating to read off a computer screen.

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#2192596 - 12/04/13 06:54 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: stalefleas]
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Great. Glad you like it. The score is a bit updated now so you might encounter a couple new notes.

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#2193288 - 12/06/13 02:00 AM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
hey Joel,

I've had this on my mind today and I keep wondering about something, though I could be dead wrong with this.

Your time signature is 6/8, so 3+3/8... HOWEVER in your score you keep dividing your 16ths, in 3+3+3+3/16ths, which is not right according to your time signature.


I don't understand why this doesn't work. Are you saying the feel of the pulse doesn't match the time signature?

This was my feeling -- mathematically, the score works as-is, but to me, the pulse immediately felt like 3/8. The dotted-quarter measures could be 6/8, but the first two bars of the main theme really feels like it wants to be played in 3/8, not 6/8.

The pulse is DAH-da | DAH-da | DAH-da | DAH-da

But in 6/8, I would read it DAH-da dah-da | DAH-da dah-da

If you're okay with a softer attack on beat 4, 6/8 is fine. You'll have a longer line. But if you want that attack, 3/8 is probably the better choice.

While the midi is definitely interpreting it as 3/8 (based on how it's attacking the notes), I did run through it on my own with the longer 6/8 line, and it sounds nice, too. So really, it's completely up to you. smile
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#2193304 - 12/06/13 03:10 AM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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I see. Yeah, it definitely needs to be in 3/8.

By the way -- sort of off topic, but is there anyway I can make this a one-page piece? I tried everything I know how do on Muse Score, but the smallest I could get it was BARELY two pages. So close. I tried making the accolade distance smaller and I made the spacing as small as I could get it.


Edited by JoelW (12/06/13 03:25 AM)

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#2193308 - 12/06/13 03:17 AM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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I mean, if you don't want to rescore it, you could always just use accents. It wouldn't be quite as "clean", but anyone worth their salt would be able to figure it out.

But you'd have to add accents on both beats, otherwise people might interpret that you want the 2nd beat accented more than the first, which would lead to a dah-da DAH-da approach, and I definitely don't think that's what you want! grin
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#2193314 - 12/06/13 03:24 AM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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Haha, definitely won't be doing that! laugh I will just re-score.

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#2193319 - 12/06/13 04:00 AM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: Derulux]
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Originally Posted By: Derulux
Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: Nikolas
hey Joel,

I've had this on my mind today and I keep wondering about something, though I could be dead wrong with this.

Your time signature is 6/8, so 3+3/8... HOWEVER in your score you keep dividing your 16ths, in 3+3+3+3/16ths, which is not right according to your time signature.


I don't understand why this doesn't work. Are you saying the feel of the pulse doesn't match the time signature?

This was my feeling -- mathematically, the score works as-is, but to me, the pulse immediately felt like 3/8. The dotted-quarter measures could be 6/8, but the first two bars of the main theme really feels like it wants to be played in 3/8, not 6/8.

The pulse is DAH-da | DAH-da | DAH-da | DAH-da

But in 6/8, I would read it DAH-da dah-da | DAH-da dah-da

If you're okay with a softer attack on beat 4, 6/8 is fine. You'll have a longer line. But if you want that attack, 3/8 is probably the better choice.

While the midi is definitely interpreting it as 3/8 (based on how it's attacking the notes), I did run through it on my own with the longer 6/8 line, and it sounds nice, too. So really, it's completely up to you. smile
Thanks. This is what I meant... smile
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#2193324 - 12/06/13 04:11 AM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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Do markings ('rit.' for example) go under or over slurs? Specifically bar 4.

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#2193338 - 12/06/13 05:09 AM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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#2193449 - 12/06/13 10:51 AM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
I see. Yeah, it definitely needs to be in 3/8.

By the way -- sort of off topic, but is there anyway I can make this a one-page piece? I tried everything I know how do on Muse Score, but the smallest I could get it was BARELY two pages. So close. I tried making the accolade distance smaller and I made the spacing as small as I could get it.


Layout - Page Settings - Scaling
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#2193549 - 12/06/13 03:17 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
I see. Yeah, it definitely needs to be in 3/8.

By the way -- sort of off topic, but is there anyway I can make this a one-page piece? I tried everything I know how do on Muse Score, but the smallest I could get it was BARELY two pages. So close. I tried making the accolade distance smaller and I made the spacing as small as I could get it.

Don't know about MuseScore, but in Sibelius you can adjust the staff size in a dropdown on a tab called "Layout." Perhaps MuseScore has a similar feature.
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#2193553 - 12/06/13 03:27 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: JoelW
I see. Yeah, it definitely needs to be in 3/8.

By the way -- sort of off topic, but is there anyway I can make this a one-page piece? I tried everything I know how do on Muse Score, but the smallest I could get it was BARELY two pages. So close. I tried making the accolade distance smaller and I made the spacing as small as I could get it.

Don't know about MuseScore, but in Sibelius you can adjust the staff size in a dropdown on a tab called "Layout." Perhaps MuseScore has a similar feature.


It does, but they call it scaling. (It's what I posted about earlier...)
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#2193555 - 12/06/13 03:31 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: Kreisler]
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Originally Posted By: Kreisler
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: JoelW
I see. Yeah, it definitely needs to be in 3/8.

By the way -- sort of off topic, but is there anyway I can make this a one-page piece? I tried everything I know how do on Muse Score, but the smallest I could get it was BARELY two pages. So close. I tried making the accolade distance smaller and I made the spacing as small as I could get it.

Don't know about MuseScore, but in Sibelius you can adjust the staff size in a dropdown on a tab called "Layout." Perhaps MuseScore has a similar feature.


It does, but they call it scaling. (It's what I posted about earlier...)


Yes, scaling. Thanks, Kreisler. One page is a bit too cramped however. I'll keep it at two.

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#2195538 - 12/10/13 12:28 PM Re: Comment on my score? [Re: JoelW]
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Joel I started this yesterday. I am wondering, how do you play this? I have alternated playing the middle line with both the left and right hand. While it seems intended for the right hand using the left works for the majority of the piece as well.

Anyways this is not an issue I am just curious.

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