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#2192601 - 12/04/13 06:59 PM Anyone here worked on Morning Passages?
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Just wondering if anyone here has worked on Philip Glass's "Morning Passages"? I'm looking at it's nine pages and I'm wondering (assuming I learn it) how I would ever play it in recital and manage to turn all those pages?
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#2192769 - 12/05/13 02:35 AM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Peyton]
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Have you considered memorizing it (in pieces)? From one listen, it sounds as though it could be compartmentalized rather neatly.

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#2192820 - 12/05/13 07:49 AM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Bobpickle]
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Originally Posted By: Bobpickle
Have you considered memorizing it (in pieces)? From one listen, it sounds as though it could be compartmentalized rather neatly.


Yea, that's generally how I learn a piece but... man, this one is really long.
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#2192823 - 12/05/13 07:54 AM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Peyton]
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Five minutes is not long. And this piece is extremely repetitive - it's not like you're memorizing Boulez sonatas. smile
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#2192853 - 12/05/13 09:17 AM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Five minutes is not long. And this piece is extremely repetitive - it's not like you're memorizing Boulez sonatas. smile


Good point.
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#2193215 - 12/05/13 10:57 PM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Peyton]
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Have a page turner?

Sometimes I see pianists copy the music down very small and post it four to a sheet. I don't know how they manage to read it, but it seems to work for them.
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#2193307 - 12/06/13 03:17 AM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Peyton]
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Originally Posted By: Peyton
Originally Posted By: Bobpickle
Have you considered memorizing it (in pieces)? From one listen, it sounds as though it could be compartmentalized rather neatly.


Yea, that's generally how I learn a piece but... man, this one is really long.


You're unnecessarily erecting a psychological barrier on yourself when you think like this. Overcoming this will likely be the hardest part of learning the music for you - especially with your experience and musicianship. See the forest for the trees, but recognize that even loggers must work to harvest forests one tree at a time.

Just imagine what it would be like to learn and memorize a piano transcription of a Beethoven symphony or Frederic Rzewski's The People United Will Never Be Defeated!. When faced with the task, though, concert pianists don't fret (at least not for long) - they get organized. Take the latter, for example.



You're not learning and memorizing an hour of music, but a theme and 36 variations on it. This results in an organized 36 bars followed by 6 groups of 6 variations, an optional improvised cadenza, and a direct restatement of the theme. What was once a huge mass of pages is now a very approachable project (well, for some). It's not so much the actual task that you're faced with that's hard, but how you choose to approach and overcome it should you decide to try in earnest.

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#2193359 - 12/06/13 07:36 AM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Bobpickle]
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Originally Posted By: Bobpickle


You're unnecessarily erecting a psychological barrier on yourself when you think like this. Overcoming this will likely be the hardest part of learning the music for you - especially with your experience and musicianship. See the forest for the trees, but recognize that even loggers must work to harvest forests one tree at a time.

Just imagine what it would be like to learn and memorize a piano transcription of a Beethoven symphony or Frederic Rzewski's The People United Will Never Be Defeated!. When faced with the task, though, concert pianists don't fret (at least not for long) - they get organized. Take the latter, for example.

You're not learning and memorizing an hour of music, but a theme and 36 variations on it. This results in an organized 36 bars followed by 6 groups of 6 variations, an optional improvised cadenza, and a direct restatement of the theme. What was once a huge mass of pages is now a very approachable project (well, for some). It's not so much the actual task that you're faced with that's hard, but how you choose to approach and overcome it should you decide to try in earnest.


Which explains why understanding music theory can be so important. When I studied I was constantly chastized for not "understanding the construction" of the music. It really does hold me back.
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#2193443 - 12/06/13 10:41 AM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Peyton]
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If you feel it's holding you back, why don't you take some classes? It's not rocket science

I'm currently working on a 6-page piece and my teacher recommended copying it on a smaller format so that it fits. Even if you can't read all the details then, it might still be enough assuming you're not sightreading so you already know what it says anyway.
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#2193545 - 12/06/13 03:11 PM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Peyton]
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Peyton, look very closely at the sheet music here in this picture. It is what I used to play the 9-page long 'Christofori's Dream' (David Lanz).

Using scissors, I trimmed every possible square inch of non-printed paper off each individual sheet of music. Then I taped the now much slimmed down version of 9 pages of music onto a piece of cardboard (home depot moving box @ .99 cents).

Here's the thing, if you look at my cardboard moving box support system closely, I actually have room for 4 more pages! With this ultra low teck method, you can comfortably and easily play a piece that is 12-13 pages long.

BUT, there is a catch. The catch is that you no longer have any excuses to play this piece so I expect to hear your beautiful rendition of this in our next recital.

Looking forward to it actually.


URL=http://s47.photobucket.com/user/Mrsuperhunky/media/6ea3c163-f890-4878-aec1-72b80ee5777e.jpg.html][/URL]

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#2193567 - 12/06/13 03:49 PM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: wouter79]
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SH, that's a very cool way to do it! I may try that.


Edited by Peyton (12/06/13 03:51 PM)
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#2195015 - 12/09/13 01:21 PM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Peyton]
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I just tried just minifying 2 pages into 1. That gives about 70% of original size. Good enough for reading still, and comfortably fits 6 of these pages on my desk without any stacking at all. I taped together the 3 minified pages. Need to test if it also works on smaller desks, mine is quite wide
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#2195053 - 12/09/13 02:22 PM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: wouter79]
Peyton Offline
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Originally Posted By: wouter79
I just tried just minifying 2 pages into 1. That gives about 70% of original size. Good enough for reading still, and comfortably fits 6 of these pages on my desk without any stacking at all. I taped together the 3 minified pages. Need to test if it also works on smaller desks, mine is quite wide


I'll take a look at that idea too. Thanks.
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#2197036 - 12/13/13 01:02 PM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Peyton]
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Just to report back that the 6 minified pages kept standing also on narrow desks. A good part sticks out but the paper is stiff enough to keep it upright
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#2197077 - 12/13/13 02:14 PM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Peyton]
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C'mon wouter, spend the buck on the cardboard. Consider it 'performance insurance'. What if you are performing your 'minified' [love that term btw!] 6 page, one level spread and then for no reason the flimsy ends fall off?

I do like one story better than two but Peyton is talking about a 9 page piece and that could get pretty long.

Still, you could tie a piece of fishing line to the bottom of the left side of the long cardboard support and then tie the other end of the string around your left toe. Then, after a bit of practice, you will be able to have a one story, continuous scrolling sheet music feed undetectably powered by the string tied around your left toe. Just slowly move your left leg out in a continuous motion as you are playing to keep the music perfectly centered.

You may even get extra claps from your audience as a result of their disbelief in you doing this to begin with! Ha ha.

p.s. I love 'junk yard wa' and the 'macgyver' tv shows.

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#2197625 - 12/14/13 05:20 PM Re: Anyone here worked on Morning Passages? [Re: Mr Super-Hunky]
Peyton Offline
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Originally Posted By: Mr Super-Hunky


Still, you could tie a piece of fishing line to the bottom of the left side of the long cardboard support and then tie the other end of the string around your left toe. Then, after a bit of practice, you will be able to have a one story, continuous scrolling sheet music feed undetectably powered by the string tied around your left toe. Just slowly move your left leg out in a continuous motion as you are playing to keep the music perfectly centered.


If nothing else it could be a really funny youtube video.
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