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#2193192 - 12/05/13 10:10 PM how do non musicians view us?
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Someone said to me I should broaden my horizons and not focus on music too much. I said would you say that to a professional musician and they said its because I have no other hobby and they were sure the professional has other interests. I said do you realise that a professional devotes more to music than me as they play professionally about three times a month and rehearse and travel etc. What time do they have for hobbies. Piano is my hobby and I also have a full time job. Why do non musicians not understand our love and dedication for music

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#2193193 - 12/05/13 10:15 PM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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So......how many hobbies does this person think someone who works has time for??? I don't get it -- seems a strange thing to say.

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#2193197 - 12/05/13 10:21 PM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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At the risk of sounding rude, could it be that the person is jealous, perhaps of your connection with music, or your ability to enjoy making music instead of just listening to it?

Or maybe they just really can't understand what could capture your interest and imagination so completely.

In either case, the correct response, I think, is patience with a dab of pity. smile
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#2193223 - 12/05/13 11:18 PM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: ShiroKuro]
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A useful phrase is "people are different." Some might think I spend too much time, energy, money on my music making. Some might think the opposite, that I spend too little. That's okay. The opinion that matters most is mine. I tend to try and find a balance in most things. However, if another person wants to be much more passionate about their music, or a third person takes a more casual approach, it goes back to the first sentence. People are different.

Why do I care what another person might think about my priorities? Perhaps if it is a spouse or a very close friend or relative that might mean something and might be worth thinking about. If it is someone more distant, I let them have their opinion, and try not to let it influence me one way or another.

Audiences are a bit different, but that is more about whether my music making can hold their attention or not. Not about how much time, money, or energy I might be allocating.

As an aside, there was a violinist that came to the local music group. He said he "never practiced." His wife said the same. However, this guy could nearly melt the walls with his music, his playing was at such a high amateur level. So what would be the answer for him? Perhaps a lot more devotion to practice, a lot more money spent on a nicer violin and bow, would have brought him to even greater heights? Perhaps yes, perhaps no. Perhaps, that kind of money and time investment might have taken him to a place he didn't want to go.



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#2193231 - 12/05/13 11:37 PM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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I've never had someone think that way. Maybe because I often play for dancers, and they're generally thrilled.

Mostly I find that people think musicians can do magic smile

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#2193295 - 12/06/13 02:22 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: DinaP]
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Originally Posted By: DinaP
So......how many hobbies does this person think someone who works has time for??? I don't get it -- seems a strange thing to say.


I work and find time for piano but nothing else. In between my piano studies, I have to shop, clean my house, make time to socialise with friends and I need some quiet time for myself to switch off my brain.

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#2193309 - 12/06/13 03:19 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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Well, music is a very time-consuming hobby, and if one has a full-time job there might not be time for anything else. That said, I don't think I would like to devote all of my spare time to music only. Even though my practice time has been increasing steadily, I like to have outdoors activities that force me to stay away from the computer or the piano. But I'm lucky, my job is very flexible and I have a small property in the country that needs a lot of work and attention. Even in winter I spend a full day outside every week, and this is really good for me. Otherwise my mind/body balance would be even more messed up than it is now.
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#2193310 - 12/06/13 03:19 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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Originally Posted By: adultpianist
Originally Posted By: DinaP
So......how many hobbies does this person think someone who works has time for??? I don't get it -- seems a strange thing to say.


I work and find time for piano but nothing else. In between my piano studies, I have to shop, clean my house, make time to socialise with friends and I need some quiet time for myself to switch off my brain.


Exactly! Even if you were interested in something else, it would be difficult to find the time for it.

I would ask myself how many hobbies does the person who asked the question have?...and what kind of energy do they take. Stamp collecting is an interesting hobby but you don't need to practise every day.....

My husband is a non-musician but he thinks it is amazing that I continue to play every day and he sees that it is very important to me. I've never had anyone say anything negative about the time and energy I put into playing (well, except the neighbour downstairs....but that's another story).
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#2193312 - 12/06/13 03:22 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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Originally Posted By: adultpianist

I work and find time for piano but nothing else. In between my piano studies, I have to shop, clean my house, make time to socialise with friends and I need some quiet time for myself to switch off my brain.


This sounds healthy enough to me. A job, one big passion/hobby, and time for friends. You don't really need much else.
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#2193313 - 12/06/13 03:22 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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To many, you could probably respond that they should broaden their horizons and not focus on television or other wastes of time they themselves are so enthralled with.

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#2193341 - 12/06/13 05:26 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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I dunno, I think some think it is as pointless...

I can download an Mp3 why should I play it?

There are also those who want to create music yet are unwilling to learn any instrument or music theory.

When I play in public, I often get people who come up to me and ask me to play that song.

What song?

The one from the TV.

Erm I don't know which you mean.

The one with the bloke in it, you know?

Erm not really.



Or you play something like the Lonely man and they say wow the Family guy Stewie song!
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#2193344 - 12/06/13 06:01 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: Mken]
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I used to go to dancing classes and had to give it up because even though I really enjoyed it, I was finding my piano studies getting more difficult and I had to devote more time to it so I had to weigh up in my mind which meant more to me, dancing or piano

Piano won hands down

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#2193345 - 12/06/13 06:26 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: Mken]
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"When I play in public, I often get people who come up to me and ask me to play that song."

That`s a nightmare these days; there`s so much obscure stuff! Some time ago I was playing in this restaurant. I overheard (as you do) someone saying "Don`t know anything he`s playing . . . " to which his little girl replied "I do!"

Made my day!
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#2193348 - 12/06/13 06:36 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: peterws]
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#2193350 - 12/06/13 06:43 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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Originally Posted By: adultpianist
Why do non musicians not understand our love and dedication for music (?)


Some do - being non-musicians doesn't rule out understanding & appreciation.

Some casual musicians don't understand the passionate and "one-track mind" love & dedication of some other "crazed" musicians.

Some cynics think that the so-called love & dedication of some musicians is a temporary or fleeting illusion, as evidenced by the high "dropout rate" of former enthusiasts of the piano (and other instruments).

Some non-musicians (like any number of those not initiated into the inner secrets of any hobby or skill) are, in fact, envious or jealous of those possessing a musical (or other ) skill set - it's such a nasty or ugly scenario...and wish you nothing but the worst...

Special contempt or loathing is reserved for those individuals who are dedicated to and good at multiple skills and hobbies such as being an accomplished pianist, golfer, chef, bridge player, writer, gardener and chess player (but enough about myself laugh ).
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#2193357 - 12/06/13 07:17 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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adultpianist, I have read your post, here:

Subject: Re: how do non musicians view us?

Someone said to me I should broaden my horizons and not focus on music too much. I said would you say that to a professional musician and they said its because I have no other hobby and they were sure the professional has other interests. I said do you realise that a professional devotes more to music than me as they play professionally about three times a month and rehearse and travel etc. What time do they have for hobbies. Piano is my hobby and I also have a full time job. Why do non musicians not understand our love and dedication for music

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It is context. The old expression is don't put all all your eggs in one basket. For example - For instance, I am 64 and I have heard that when you retire it can be bad on many levels and certainly, one is to be able to keep yourself busy, if you like being a busy person.

So I had health problems and I could not continue working because my brain was less fast, as a result of a stroke.

So let me begin. Even though since birth/childhood, I had lots of learning problems and memory problems. I was always doing things with my hands, like building block as a child, then making things with wood, and making things with electricity (only using flashlight batteries of 1.5 volts) so safe for even very small children and taking battery operated toys apart and making things out of them, etc. - building forts with found wood. When I was 7 I was introduced to a piano because my father brought a very old 3/4 piano so 66 keys. A music teacher arrived and showed me or said something to me something and never saw him again but there was a copy of the John Thompson little fingers book of piano. Guess my father was too poor to pay for any lessons - I learned Volga Boatman because I could play it my whole life. I was told by my parents that I made up tunes all the time I was at the piano, so I had I guess I had a love of playing the piano - nothing great not bright. Then we move into a trailer from the garage we were living in and so no room for a piano and in 1955 there were no digital pianos to slide under the bunkbeds that my brother and I slept on. So I didn't do sports because I had no exposure to them but I did lots of other stuff no but no stamp collecting because that isn't me, loved riding my bike. I had exposure to an accordian, but that didn't work for me. I had a cheap sears air organ, of about 49 keys. So not much in the way of music. Then I left home, went to college, and got a job. The first thing I did was rent an apartment. The first thing I bought was a Yamaha upright piano for about 3,000 on a bank loan - no furnature at all, no bed, no table only knife, fork and spoon, plate - no tv. I had a lesson or 2 and then I was too busy not playing the piano because I had to start living a bit going out for a drink, or two, went skiing, traveling to the states several times a month so traveling on a shoe string, and taking sailing lessons, swimming lessons, trying to learn languages, motorcycling, guitar, violin, painting courses, a drumset, sign language. I was not good at any of them, but that didn't stop me.


I have owned 3 acoustic pianos, 4 or 5 little keyboards, and 2 digital pianos but couldn't play any of them until I was riddled with cancer and had only enough energy to play a digital piano I had for 30 years a Yam CLP-50 and then after 6 months very, weak playing the piano only 1 or 2 minutes at a times depending the energy, I fell madly - crazy in love with playing the piano and can't afford a teacher but all I wanted to play is classical music until I die.

I should also mention I played with no experience a sax at 40 and for 4 years without the ability to play/read any music - so I got a teacher because I was working - and so he taught me how to read and play the sax. So I played as a beginner music sax player in 4 bands, 5 nights a week until like all bands- they eventually fall apart and break up. Then I always wanted to play basketball as a kid but in my town there was snow - and one school, so nobody ever played basketball inside or outside because there was no opportunity, so at 58 I got a chance to play basketball with the help of guys from work teaching me to dribble and shot and run and jump, and it all I wanted to do for rest of my life - at 248 pounds and playing basketball sweating and rarely making a basket but running for my life around the court, no pun intended, I lost weight and then and now I only weigh 170 pounds. I used to tear up all the time talking about basketball - and I am not a person who cries, but I just loved playing basketball because you can play inside, outside, co-ed, summer, winter, then I was told I couldn't play basketball because my blood was full of cancer and if I had an accident and they had to do an operation like a broken arm, I would get an infection and likely die, so as I said I tried to play the digital piano - when the world changed - I am almost finished my story - and the stroke from cancer prevented me from working because I was too slow to speak or be able to understand people if they spoke too fast, so I starting the piano.

So, it is important to live a full life and - sure - you can play the piano - but you have to have a million other interest because one thing will destroy you like if the only thing you do is to drink or smoke - and I mean nothing impolitely but just words for an example. So I would like to be able to play the piano 4 hours a day but now I am only playing 2 hours a day but for a million different reasons, it will take me a few years to play that long - but after I play the piano of 20 minutes, I run for the door regardless of the weather because I love to walk - so all I had to say was - you need anything or something more than one hobby. People marry other people but the would die a sad death early if they only had the wife/husband they love - as opposed to another person to talk to at work, etc.

So the guy was absolutely right that you need something more than a piano like food and a place to sleep!

cheers,

3D06YY

I am very tired so please excuse my structure.

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#2193435 - 12/06/13 10:27 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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Before getting my piano and returning to practice, I would ride my bicycle 50 to 70 miles with the local bicycle club 5 days a week. ~4 hours, give or take

Now I rarely ride except to work (10 miles round trip every work day).

I saw one of the club members who remarked that I should find balance in my life and not play piano so much, since that takes quite a bit of my time.

translation: He liked it better when the balance of my life was tilted in favor of the interests he shares and understands.

I responded that I structure my life in a way that works for me, and right now it's the piano and home life with my partner Greg.

Of course, because I will retire in March of next year (pay attention to the dog here), I will then have time to resume long distance riding (which I love) AND playing piano (which I love more) and attending to my happy home (which I love most).

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#2193547 - 12/06/13 03:15 PM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: Michael_99]
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Originally Posted By: Michael_99
adultpianist, I have read your post, here:

Subject: Re: how do non musicians view us?

Someone said to me I should broaden my horizons and not focus on music too much. I said would you say that to a professional musician and they said its because I have no other hobby and they were sure the professional has other interests. I said do you realise that a professional devotes more to music than me as they play professionally about three times a month and rehearse and travel etc. What time do they have for hobbies. Piano is my hobby and I also have a full time job. Why do non musicians not understand our love and dedication for music

_____

It is context. The old expression is don't put all all your eggs in one basket. For example - For instance, I am 64 and I have heard that when you retire it can be bad on many levels and certainly, one is to be able to keep yourself busy, if you like being a busy person.

So I had health problems and I could not continue working because my brain was less fast, as a result of a stroke.

So let me begin. Even though since birth/childhood, I had lots of learning problems and memory problems. I was always doing things with my hands, like building block as a child, then making things with wood, and making things with electricity (only using flashlight batteries of 1.5 volts) so safe for even very small children and taking battery operated toys apart and making things out of them, etc. - building forts with found wood. When I was 7 I was introduced to a piano because my father brought a very old 3/4 piano so 66 keys. A music teacher arrived and showed me or said something to me something and never saw him again but there was a copy of the John Thompson little fingers book of piano. Guess my father was too poor to pay for any lessons - I learned Volga Boatman because I could play it my whole life. I was told by my parents that I made up tunes all the time I was at the piano, so I had I guess I had a love of playing the piano - nothing great not bright. Then we move into a trailer from the garage we were living in and so no room for a piano and in 1955 there were no digital pianos to slide under the bunkbeds that my brother and I slept on. So I didn't do sports because I had no exposure to them but I did lots of other stuff no but no stamp collecting because that isn't me, loved riding my bike. I had exposure to an accordian, but that didn't work for me. I had a cheap sears air organ, of about 49 keys. So not much in the way of music. Then I left home, went to college, and got a job. The first thing I did was rent an apartment. The first thing I bought was a Yamaha upright piano for about 3,000 on a bank loan - no furnature at all, no bed, no table only knife, fork and spoon, plate - no tv. I had a lesson or 2 and then I was too busy not playing the piano because I had to start living a bit going out for a drink, or two, went skiing, traveling to the states several times a month so traveling on a shoe string, and taking sailing lessons, swimming lessons, trying to learn languages, motorcycling, guitar, violin, painting courses, a drumset, sign language. I was not good at any of them, but that didn't stop me.


I have owned 3 acoustic pianos, 4 or 5 little keyboards, and 2 digital pianos but couldn't play any of them until I was riddled with cancer and had only enough energy to play a digital piano I had for 30 years a Yam CLP-50 and then after 6 months very, weak playing the piano only 1 or 2 minutes at a times depending the energy, I fell madly - crazy in love with playing the piano and can't afford a teacher but all I wanted to play is classical music until I die.

I should also mention I played with no experience a sax at 40 and for 4 years without the ability to play/read any music - so I got a teacher because I was working - and so he taught me how to read and play the sax. So I played as a beginner music sax player in 4 bands, 5 nights a week until like all bands- they eventually fall apart and break up. Then I always wanted to play basketball as a kid but in my town there was snow - and one school, so nobody ever played basketball inside or outside because there was no opportunity, so at 58 I got a chance to play basketball with the help of guys from work teaching me to dribble and shot and run and jump, and it all I wanted to do for rest of my life - at 248 pounds and playing basketball sweating and rarely making a basket but running for my life around the court, no pun intended, I lost weight and then and now I only weigh 170 pounds. I used to tear up all the time talking about basketball - and I am not a person who cries, but I just loved playing basketball because you can play inside, outside, co-ed, summer, winter, then I was told I couldn't play basketball because my blood was full of cancer and if I had an accident and they had to do an operation like a broken arm, I would get an infection and likely die, so as I said I tried to play the digital piano - when the world changed - I am almost finished my story - and the stroke from cancer prevented me from working because I was too slow to speak or be able to understand people if they spoke too fast, so I starting the piano.

So, it is important to live a full life and - sure - you can play the piano - but you have to have a million other interest because one thing will destroy you like if the only thing you do is to drink or smoke - and I mean nothing impolitely but just words for an example. So I would like to be able to play the piano 4 hours a day but now I am only playing 2 hours a day but for a million different reasons, it will take me a few years to play that long - but after I play the piano of 20 minutes, I run for the door regardless of the weather because I love to walk - so all I had to say was - you need anything or something more than one hobby. People marry other people but the would die a sad death early if they only had the wife/husband they love - as opposed to another person to talk to at work, etc.

So the guy was absolutely right that you need something more than a piano like food and a place to sleep!

cheers,

3D06YY

I am very tired so please excuse my structure.


Just a suggestion for you - I think a lot more people would read your posts if you left out some of the biographical information and cut to the chase sooner. smile
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#2193560 - 12/06/13 03:40 PM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist


Just a suggestion for you - I think a lot more people would read your posts if you left out some of the biographical information and cut to the chase sooner. smile

Michael is never aggressive, mean or condescending. That makes his posts something one does not avoid. Different people have different ways of expressing themselves.

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#2193692 - 12/06/13 10:19 PM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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I think it is wonderful how music lifts US all up, above the concerns of our daily lives whatever the troubles and strifes we have to deal with, or that are dealt out to us. To actually spend time to play something, create a masterpiece out of dots on a page, or sound waves we hear in our heads, that takes courage and commitment. Not everyone can know that. To deny that is to deny ourselves and whatever time it takes IS the time that it takes, hobby full time or part-time.Some can put in more energy than others, some need distraction and balance, but if we are swayed by others then we deny ourselves.They will be the losers because we will not be able to contribute our offering to the universe however small or great if you are so blessed, that may be. Be true to yourself and others will respect you for that.
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#2193701 - 12/06/13 10:38 PM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: keystring]
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Originally Posted By: keystring
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist


Just a suggestion for you - I think a lot more people would read your posts if you left out some of the biographical information and cut to the chase sooner. smile

Michael is never aggressive, mean or condescending. That makes his posts something one does not avoid. Different people have different ways of expressing themselves.

I didn't say anything about him being aggressive, mean or condescending...I was making a suggestion because, in all honesty, I do find his posts a bit lengthy sometimes, and somewhat lose interest midway through. smile
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#2193706 - 12/06/13 10:48 PM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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I was listing those things which are actual turn-offs. When posts are lengthy, we can always skim and try to get at the essence. Not everyone has the ability to get at the meat of the matter when they write. smile

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#2193712 - 12/06/13 11:09 PM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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Most people tell me they think it is great and they wish they could learn, but don't feel think they could do it.

I also love to golf, have figured out the golf swing better than the piano. But that took years of practice too, just like the piano is taking.

I enjoy both, and life is short.

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#2193732 - 12/07/13 12:18 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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I have a few too many hobbies. Being spread so thin, not a darn thing gets done with any of them. It kinda makes me not so good, or, not as could as I could be by having inconsistent focus on the different subjects. If you enjoy one thing or ten, then so be it. The desire to put forth effort into things just because you want to is intrinsic motivation. For me, the gratification that comes from doing a good job complete and all on my own is a big motivator. Things like chores and going to a job to make money would be extrinsic motivation. It really isn't a hobby if it doesn't come from within. So, if you take on a task because someone convinces you that you should, then it's extrinsic and wouldn't be your hobby.
It takes all kinds to make the world go around.


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#2193820 - 12/07/13 05:40 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: Troy 125]
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Originally Posted By: Troy 125


I also love to golf, have figured out the golf swing better than the piano. But that took years of practice too, just like the piano is taking.

I enjoy both, and life is short.


It's nice to see that there are a few other highly intelligent individuals out there with exceptionally discriminating tastes.. laugh .

Golf doesn't have to be "a good walk spoiled" as some have claimed it to be (especially if you ride a cart around the course smile ) but it can be extremely frustrating and aggravating - I seem to demand much more perfection there and am far less tolerant of mistakes playing this sadistic game than I am when sitting at the keyboard in the throes of my pianistic studies...I wonder why...
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#2193832 - 12/07/13 06:19 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: adultpianist]
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It is not so much a matter of how they view us.
More accurately...

People do not view the world as it exists.
They view the world as they exist.
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#2193849 - 12/07/13 08:53 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: rnaple]
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The only "non musician's" opinion that matters, for me, is that of my husband. As long as there is balance in our lives, and my piano hobby isn't negatively impacting our relationship, we are both happy. He has his computer programming hobbies (also time-consuming) and I play piano. We share other activities such as hiking or going to the fitness center.

I don't think most non musicians have any idea of the amount of time or commitment playing piano takes, or the powerful draw that it has for people who are musically inclined. I don't try to explain to them why I spend three hours a day practicing a "hobby", other than to say that I enjoy learning a new skill. My spouse lives with that commitment everyday, so I try very hard to have an acceptable balance with him.
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#2193864 - 12/07/13 09:23 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: TrapperJohn]
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Loc: New York City
Originally Posted By: TrapperJohn
Golf doesn't have to be "a good walk spoiled" as some have claimed it to be (especially if you ride a cart around the course smile ) but it can be extremely frustrating and aggravating - I seem to demand much more perfection there and am far less tolerant of mistakes playing this sadistic game than I am when sitting at the keyboard in the throes of my pianistic studies...I wonder why...

Even the world-class professionals have fallen victim to extensive cursing, club-throwing, and caddie-berating. grin
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#2193872 - 12/07/13 09:37 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: Polyphonist]
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Posts: 610
Loc: Louisiana
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: TrapperJohn

Even the world-class professionals have fallen victim to extensive cursing, club-throwing, and caddie-berating. grin



... and that includes shanking 'em during the warm-up.
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#2193886 - 12/07/13 10:23 AM Re: how do non musicians view us? [Re: SwissMS]
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Registered: 12/12/10
Posts: 2451
Loc: Minneapolis, MN
Originally Posted By: SwissMS
The only "non musician's" opinion that matters, for me, is that of my husband. As long as there is balance in our lives, and my piano hobby isn't negatively impacting our relationship, we are both happy. He has his computer programming hobbies (also time-consuming) and I play piano. We share other activities such as hiking or going to the fitness center.

I don't think most non musicians have any idea of the amount of time or commitment playing piano takes, or the powerful draw that it has for people who are musically inclined. I don't try to explain to them why I spend three hours a day practicing a "hobby", other than to say that I enjoy learning a new skill. My spouse lives with that commitment everyday, so I try very hard to have an acceptable balance with him.


thumb ditto!
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