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#2197214 - 12/13/13 07:33 PM My sweetie arrived...
rnaple Offline

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Registered: 12/23/10
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Loc: Rocky Mountains
I can't believe it. Only two days. She's here.

I got done at work. Called my apartment manager's office. Asked if UPS dropped it off with them? She said: "They sure did. I tried to tell them I didn't want that huge thing in here. But they wouldn't listen."
So I got to find out how you get an 85 pound monolith up three flights of stairs. Very simple... one step at a time.

She's absolutely beautiful. Just played the keys a little is all so far.
I love the keys. The key surfaces. The feel. The look. She's beautiful. I'm in love.

I think I'm gonna stick with the simple way to set the curves. With a key and power button.
I did set up my ms based laptop to do it. It's just easier like this.
Any reason I should go ahead set it up in the laptop?

Question: The orange on the power button for Ivory. Looks more like top half is red and bottom half is white.

Question: Somebody asked about pictures. Do you people actually want pictures of the unpacking? I went ahead and took them. Yup there's a hole in the box. I think that is an old lady who works for Homeland Security making sure there ain't nothing in there.

I might get a stand. The feet come right to the edge of this table. Half on and off. Gee....the only stands I really like are the K&M. Like that Omega. Don't want cheap and wobbly.

Basically... I'm impressed. This is a seriously nice keyboard. She's a real sweetie. Tons of feel.
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#2197217 - 12/13/13 07:37 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Congratulations! I for one would love to see pics of the unpacking.
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#2197218 - 12/13/13 07:41 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Congrats! Please post pics!
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#2197276 - 12/13/13 10:46 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Update....
I'll post pics...probably tomorrow night.....too busy playing now... smile

Can someone explain the little notch at the bottom of the stroke of the key when I play softly. Not there when not soft.
Don't really have an opinion on it. I do notice it.

This playing, I'm thinking, more like a real piano. I'm having to get used to it. It is truly fine....great to play.

The keys keep impressing me more and more. I thought I would be a little disappointed from my limited experience playing the CA93 and another one that had RM2 plastic keys. These are just plain higher quality keys. Love the finish. The pivot on them seems perfect. To this lowly beginner...this feels very much like a real piano. Ivory is just plain playing better with it also.


Edited by rnaple (12/13/13 10:47 PM)
Edit Reason: typo
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#2197297 - 12/13/13 11:42 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Originally Posted By: rnaple
Can someone explain the little notch at the bottom of the stroke of the key when I play softly. Not there when not soft.

Unless I'm completely confused (possible!) that's "let-off". I feel it on my grand piano, and here's Kawai James 3 years ago:

"As with an acoustic grand piano, it's a very subtle feeling that you only notice when playing notes very slowly. However, some pianists believe that understanding this 'notch' allows them to improve the expressiveness of pianissimo passages."

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#2197339 - 12/14/13 03:51 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: pwl]
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Originally Posted By: pwl
Originally Posted By: rnaple
Can someone explain the little notch at the bottom of the stroke of the key when I play softly. Not there when not soft.

Unless I'm completely confused (possible!) that's "let-off". I feel it on my grand piano, and here's Kawai James 3 years ago:

"As with an acoustic grand piano, it's a very subtle feeling that you only notice when playing notes very slowly. However, some pianists believe that understanding this 'notch' allows them to improve the expressiveness of pianissimo passages."


Yep, that's what it is. It hasn't worked for me so far. The risk of my playing ghosted notes increases as I approach the pianissimo end. The designers mean well - either that or they're appealing to a popular notion that AP 'authenticity' for its own sake is a worthy goal . Maybe I'll learn to control it, maybe not but in any case according to a thread posted by joflah, the let-off mechanism is 'removable' with a minor surgical procedure. I'll wait until the warranty expires unless I master let-off in the meantime. I expect to fail.

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#2197375 - 12/14/13 07:39 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
rnaple Offline

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I can already see where the let off would be useful.
I'm taking it for granted that my Ivory is set up perfectly...
I can play so softly slowly that it does not play a note.
Using that let off to play just as softly as possible without not playing.
This is very useful.

Thank you for the input. The more I play this. The more I see it's like a real grand.
Yes, it's a simulator. But there are simulators, and there are simulators. I've been in the good simulator that NASA had in Houston to learn to fly the Shuttle. It is something. This is more like that kind of simulator. A good one.
I'm taking the opinions of piano players I've read saying that this is easily transferrable to a real piano. That I'm imagining is true.

I hope James passes on to his colleagues that I'm so very happy with my VPC. They did a great job. This is what I imagined in my mind when first buying a DP. Was disappointed till now.

Yes, I for one would suggest; Any beginner who has the money. Just get this. You'll avoid tons of wasting time on forums finding out about DP's.
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#2197377 - 12/14/13 07:42 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: dire tonic]
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Originally Posted By: dire tonic
It hasn't worked for me so far. The risk of my playing ghosted notes increases as I approach the pianissimo end. The designers mean well - either that or they're appealing to a popular notion that AP 'authenticity' for its own sake is a worthy goal . Maybe I'll learn to control it, maybe not but in any case according to a thread posted by joflah, the let-off mechanism is 'removable' with a minor surgical procedure. I'll wait until the warranty expires unless I master let-off in the meantime. I expect to fail.

The warranty period is designed to be just long enough for neophytes to learn to make the 'let-off' feel work to their expressive advantage (provided they practise assiduously), but not long enough for them to master the necessary surgical skills that's required for the intricate operative procedure to excise the offending mechanism.

Unless, of course, if you're already a FRCS, in which case all bets are off......

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#2197692 - 12/14/13 08:11 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Congrats Ron!

I'm glad to read that the VPC1 was worth the wait! wink

As for the stand...definitely pick up a good quality one as soon as you can. wink

Cheers,
James
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#2197746 - 12/14/13 10:11 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Ok....here is a link to the album....yup... included the unboxing (Doh!) ....
New VPC
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#2197754 - 12/14/13 10:25 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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I just wanted to add. I think I probably got three grand in this piano setup. The VPC, monitors, software. I seriously don't think I can come close to this with an acoustic anywhere near this price. I'd have to jump up to five figures to exceed this.
Thank you James. Please, again, thank you colleagues for me. They did a beautiful job.

For now. I bought some gasket material. Cork, rubber mixed. Used it to form bars for support. Substitute for the feet. I have to watch money close for the time being. Congratulate myself. I've eaten only at home since I bought this. She does deserve a nice stand though.
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#2197787 - 12/15/13 12:01 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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That's beautiful! And I like your lamps. Plus . . . kitten on the keys (almost)!

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#2197796 - 12/15/13 12:24 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Are we twins? I just got mine from UPS today as well. I'm a beginner, but I'm extremely excited about learning on this. I was lucky enough to happen to play on a kawai acoustic today just after buying the VPC, and Kawai did a great job translating the action of real keys into the DP

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#2197801 - 12/15/13 01:06 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: jborica]
rnaple Offline

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Originally Posted By: jborica
Are we twins? I just got mine from UPS today as well. I'm a beginner,...


Congratulations on being a very wise beginner! Also congrats on the VPC.
Us adults have a real problem retraining our nervous system to pick up the sophistication of all ten fingers individually at the same time. It helps a lot to have a good keyboard to train on. I had an old M8000. (It broke) It was good. Not this good though. That excellent feedback to the nerves helps a ton.
Congratulations again! You're very wise!

pwl... Thank you. I love animals. All animals. Had a german shorthaired pointer that shocked me. I could swear that dog was truly alive. Moreso than most human beings. Cat's are easy to take care of. I love them. The spotted one is my sweetie. Talk to her and she talks back. Just to let me know she understands I'm trying to communicate with her. She's a real sweetie. That framed poster on the wall is of Koko the Gorilla and her pet kitten. smile


Oh ... BTW.... James? Oh... James? ... About that Godzilla Metronome... HHHHhhhuuuuuuuuummmm?????? smile smile smile
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#2197806 - 12/15/13 01:52 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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You`re a brave fella taking on all those wires/connections/infrastructure! I`m a "switch on and go" fella. I have Pianoteq but it never gets used `cos I don`t like a separate sound system and I have no input on my DP . . . .I like the front panel wi the "Kawai" bit on it; wouldn`t mind betting your keyboard would fit into a real grand piano frame . . .then you could fool everyone . . .
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#2197811 - 12/15/13 02:27 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: bennevis]
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-nice pics Ron. I bet you issued forth a gasp of pleasure when you first drew back that protective plastic sheet!

Originally Posted By: bennevis
The warranty period is designed to be just long enough for neophytes to learn to make the 'let-off' feel work to their expressive advantage (provided they practise assiduously), but not long enough for them to master the necessary surgical skills that's required for the intricate operative procedure to excise the offending mechanism.

Unless, of course, if you're already a FRCS, in which case all bets are off......

Heheh, I thought warranties were designed to be just long enough for the merchandise to hold together in one piece. Mastery of the let-off is as likely to be achievable as reaching my own reflection so assiduous practice isn't on the cards. In the absence of an independent witness to a genuinely creative let-off experience, I'm inclined to the suspicion that the whole thing is a cruel hoax, an April fool's joke.

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#2197812 - 12/15/13 02:32 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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a thing of beauty is a joy forever
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#2197871 - 12/15/13 08:39 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Originally Posted By: rnaple
I've eaten only at home since I bought this. She does deserve a nice stand though.

I was expecting more of a shotgun shack in the pix wink
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#2197874 - 12/15/13 09:07 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Congrats, rnaple. smile The VPC looks great. If I was going the software piano way, it'd be my first choice. thumb

As for me, I think I'm going to head over to Amazon and grab me a piece of the Schindler's List sheet music. laugh
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#2197888 - 12/15/13 09:37 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Congratulations dude..By chance have you named her? wink
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#2197972 - 12/15/13 02:12 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Originally Posted By: rnaple
Ok....here is a link to the album....yup... included the unboxing (Doh!) ....
New VPC
Love the kitty for scale. smile

edited to add: did it come with the 3 pedals?


Edited by Morodiene (12/15/13 02:21 PM)
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#2198040 - 12/15/13 03:53 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Way to build suspense rnaple I had no idea what arrived until I read your 3rd message posted 12 hours later, (except I am reading everything well after the fact now so it just took a while to figure it out). Congratulations! Sounds like a wonderful product. If I were more than a piano noodler I would have given the VPC careful consideration.

I hope you have room to keep the shipping box. You might need it at some point.

This reminds me of when I had a large wood easel in a wooded crate drop shipped (145lbs.). Only to the 2nd floor but I carried it up one step at a time using leverage and patience. Couldn't remove it from the crate first. The crate protected its assent and it had to be partially assembled after it was through the door or it would not have fit.

Originally Posted By: rnaple
...I got to find out how you get an 85 pound monolith up three flights of stairs. Very simple... one step at a time....


Hope you don't mind that I post the pictures in the thread. ImageShack is a little awkward to navigate.

















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#2198083 - 12/15/13 04:55 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: o0Ampy0o]
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Originally Posted By: o0Ampy0o
I hope you have room to keep the shipping box. You might need it at some point.


Agreed. I kept the box and Styrofoam from my first stage piano on a whim and then I ended up using it several times during moves (I was in college at the time). Good to keep around if you have the space.

To the OP: thanks for posting these pics. They look great!

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#2198127 - 12/15/13 06:02 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Thank you all for the good wishes.

Yup...gv... I keep boxes for anything good. Have a nice big two car garage for my "shotgun shack". smile

dewster....as you can see....I even have electricity!

thank you Toddy...

thanks peter... I just wish I had developed my technical abilities anywhere nears your's by now. It's coming, but slow.

Thank you oOAmpy... I never have been able to get the pictures on that site to post here. I follow the directions?

Mta88.... I think her name is Karen...rhymes with Kawai... smile

thank you Clayman... I love the music in Schindler's List... I actually in a little way Idolize John Williams... I thought Close Encounters of the Third Kind was brilliant....The music for The Raider's of the Lost Arc series with Harrison Ford are brilliantly appropriately corny. John thinks Schindler's List is his most brilliant work.

Oh Morodiene... yes the three pedal unit is part of it. Kawai thought of everything. When I was setting this up. I thought of you. You really should try one of these out. You deserve the best. Even if it is a hassle to transport. Get someone to help.

Thanks dire... I don't think I wanna pull Karen apart. I'm happy with her the way she is. Like the spaghetti harvest.
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#2198142 - 12/15/13 06:23 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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@rnaple,

You now have a very nice digital in the VPC1 and it even looks a lot like the Roland V-Piano with the flat top (which I own) and is nearly the same weight, too.

Enjoy!

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#2198146 - 12/15/13 06:25 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Very nice!

(Do you have rabbit ears on your air conditioner?)
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#2198151 - 12/15/13 06:30 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Yes, rabbit ears on air conditioner. That's how important TV is to me. I won't pay for cable TV.
Yes they actually supply cable TV to my third floor "Penthouse" Shotgun Shack. smile
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#2198167 - 12/15/13 07:04 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: peterws]
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Originally Posted By: peterws
... wouldn`t mind betting your keyboard would fit into a real grand piano frame . . .then you could fool everyone . . .


Exactly! And if anyone noticed the plug into the power outlet you could explain the benefits of a Dampp Chaser!
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#2198170 - 12/15/13 07:09 PM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: peterws]
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Originally Posted By: peterws
wouldn`t mind betting your keyboard would fit into a real grand piano frame...


Yes, I'm pretty sure Billy Joel is using this setup on his current tour:



(fast-forward to around the 2:00 mark)

Cheers,
James
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#2198382 - 12/16/13 08:13 AM Re: My sweetie arrived... [Re: rnaple]
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Originally Posted By: rnaple

Oh Morodiene... yes the three pedal unit is part of it. Kawai thought of everything. When I was setting this up. I thought of you. You really should try one of these out. You deserve the best. Even if it is a hassle to transport. Get someone to help.

Thanks, Ron! I really am tempted, but I must wait to see what the accountant says. If I can hold out for NAMM then I will. My hesitation beyond that is that I do have to take the piano for outdoor performances and such, and having to hook up to a laptop is a bit more work that I'd like to avoid. If it weren't for that, I'd snatch it up regardless of whether or not I have to spend more money in 2013!

I hope you are enjoying your new addition to the family! smile


Edited by Morodiene (12/16/13 08:14 AM)
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