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#2200215 - 12/19/13 02:31 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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24 1 Musica71 How relaxed you are! A very contemplative tune; must be great playin` this on your piano. Sounds real good from the other side of the computer . . .

24 3 Timmyab Clean precise and easy on the ear with and excellent recording. You make it look easy . .

24 4 Derulux Sounds like Waltz Brilliant . .super dynamics; you capture the mood of the music.

30 1 Gutenbeg Such a lot o` Chopin seems meditative; your piano sang on this one. Lovely.

30 2 JoelW One strident piano ringing out on this most flamboyant piece. Made for it, and you by the sounds o` things!

30 3 BruceD You`ve put muscle into music. With plenty o` light and shade. I`m learning stuff here tonight. Like how a recording should sound . .

30 4 Jeffrey Jones Love the "wet" reverb! You gave that poor instrument (that has done you no harm) a good pounding . . .Well enjoy this and all your work! Wish I could get my hands on a digital version of your piano . . .

Lovely stuff guys. I can see I need to work harder . . .record better!


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#2200221 - 12/19/13 02:40 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: jeffreyjones]
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Hi, Jeffrey -- thanks for the kind words. No, I wasn't aware that Chopin perceived this as a ballade - however, it was clear to me that in this Mazurka, Chopin was getting more poetically ambitious, so to speak -- much as he did in the Op 27/1 Nocturne, which is virtually a "mini-opera" or the B maj Nocturne, with its jarring, abrupt conclusion. In 33-4, Chopin ingeniously uses the bass to provide a disquieting layer of psychological complexity, so that it is clearly not "just" a dance. I would say that this is also evident in 30-4, which IMO also has a dark edge to it.

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#2200230 - 12/19/13 02:51 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: carey]
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Hi, Carey! Well, I'm not surprised it gave you fits, but your performance was for me an especially satisfying one -- straightforward, joyful, energetic, clear as a bell, and rhythmically solid. I find this Mazurka quite different from other pieces that Chopin was writing at this time -- bubbly and effervescent, without dark, disquieting overtones. It's kind of a throwback to the earlier Mazurkas, and in context provides a wonderful contrast to the other pieces in the Opus.

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#2200232 - 12/19/13 02:55 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Brad Hoehne]
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Originally Posted By: Brad Hoehne
Even though all the performances in this recital haven't been posted yet, I'm already eagerly anticipating the next one.

What will it be? The Nocturnes, waltzes, preludes? (I'd like to see the nocturnes, since I have one picked out already.)

I believe Joel is running a nocturne recital starting next week.
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#2200238 - 12/19/13 03:01 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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Seventh installment is here! smile

Mazurka in E minor, Opus 41 No 1
Performed by Kreisler


Mazurka in B major, Opus 41 No 2
Performed by Tim Adrianson
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Mazurka in Ab major, Opus 41 No 3
Performed by dire tonic
Constructive criticism invited!


Mazurka in C# minor, Opus 41 No 4
Performed by Tim Adrianson
https://app.box.com/s/th6xfhi9nxfv1u511b5o

Enjoy! smile
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#2200239 - 12/19/13 03:04 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Brad Hoehne
Even though all the performances in this recital haven't been posted yet, I'm already eagerly anticipating the next one.

What will it be? The Nocturnes, waltzes, preludes? (I'd like to see the nocturnes, since I have one picked out already.)

I believe Joel is running a nocturne recital starting next week.


My pick is 27 no 2 - my assigned piece for next year
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#2200248 - 12/19/13 03:14 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Brad Hoehne
Even though all the performances in this recital haven't been posted yet, I'm already eagerly anticipating the next one.

What will it be? The Nocturnes, waltzes, preludes? (I'd like to see the nocturnes, since I have one picked out already.)

I believe Joel is running a nocturne recital starting next week.


Yes. I will be hosting the Chopin nocturnes starting Sunday the 22nd. Use this time to think about your nocturne for a quick pick!
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#2200257 - 12/19/13 03:23 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Brad Hoehne
Even though all the performances in this recital haven't been posted yet, I'm already eagerly anticipating the next one.

What will it be? The Nocturnes, waltzes, preludes? (I'd like to see the nocturnes, since I have one picked out already.)

I believe Joel is running a nocturne recital starting next week.


Yes. I will be hosting the Chopin nocturnes starting Sunday the 22nd. Use this time to think about your nocturne for a quick pick!



Oh boy!! I have a few I can play already. But, one in particular I would like to record for this recital!!!
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#2200261 - 12/19/13 03:33 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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Love the Op 41 pieces too. This is such a treat. I have NEVER listened to so many mazurka in my life and in such excellent performance.

Kreisler - Bravo! unarguably excellent performance. I'm impressed with everything including your posture. I was also impressed how young you are. I somehow pictured much older person.

Tim - I loved both pieces. You must be a concert pianist. I don't know which one I like better. First one you pulled out sheer beauty of the piece. I think Mr. Chopin is proud of you. The second piece had a beauty that stirred my emotion.

Dire Tonic - you played it very musically. Is this piano acoustic? Sounded much fuller. You asked for technical advice but I will leave it to more qualified people here
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#2200267 - 12/19/13 03:45 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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The Opus 41 Mazurkas are all so convincingly played; they were a treat to listen to.

Thanks, Kreisler, Tim, and dire tonic (no criticism to offer, dc; I just completely enjoyed it.)

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#2200268 - 12/19/13 03:46 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: JoelW]
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Yes. I will be hosting the Chopin nocturnes starting Sunday the 22nd. Use this time to think about your nocturne for a quick pick!


Will you be starting a sign-up thread soon? We'll need time, not only to think but to prepare.

Thanks.

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#2200287 - 12/19/13 04:27 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW


Yes. I will be hosting the Chopin nocturnes starting Sunday the 22nd. Use this time to think about your nocturne for a quick pick!


I guess there are many pianists who want to participate. And Chopin didn't write so many nocturnes. Is the intention to allow more performances of the same piece? What about including nocturnes by other composers like Field and Faure? There is one Faure nocturne I consider studying myself.....

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#2200289 - 12/19/13 04:32 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Originally Posted By: JoelW
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Yes. I will be hosting the Chopin nocturnes starting Sunday the 22nd. Use this time to think about your nocturne for a quick pick!


Will you be starting a sign-up thread soon? We'll need time, not only to think but to prepare.

Thanks.

Regards,


I'm guessing you mean like the mazurka sign-up? Yes, that will be this Sunday. Like the mazurka recital, there will be a 3 month preparation time as well. The nocturnes are larger than the mazurkas so if the majority needs more time I will add more time.


Edited by JoelW (12/19/13 04:40 PM)
Edit Reason: 3 months, not 2
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#2200291 - 12/19/13 04:34 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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And the mazurkas were 3 months, not 2 months.
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#2200292 - 12/19/13 04:36 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Ganddalf]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW


Yes. I will be hosting the Chopin nocturnes starting Sunday the 22nd. Use this time to think about your nocturne for a quick pick!


I guess there are many pianists who want to participate. And Chopin didn't write so many nocturnes. Is the intention to allow more performances of the same piece? What about including nocturnes by other composers like Field and Faure? There is one Faure nocturne I consider studying myself.....


This is another all-Chopin recital. And no, there won't be multiple performances per piece. The goal is to post by opus, in a similar fashion to the mazurka recital. Since there are fewer spots, I would advise you make up your mind before I post the signup on Sunday. If you decide now, you will have a much better chance of placing a spot, especially if there is a specific nocturne you want to play.
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#2200295 - 12/19/13 04:43 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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There are 19 to 21 nocturnes, depending on how you count. I'm wondering if that's enough for a themed recital - they usually contain far more works; for example, the three most recent - Mendelssohn Songs without Words, Grieg Lyric Pieces, Chopin Mazurkas - contained 48, 66, and 57 pieces respectively.
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#2200300 - 12/19/13 04:48 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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I don't see concise as a bad thing, but I understand that many members who would want to participate would be missing out. New idea -- nocturnes and waltzes. That's about 45 pieces, and it provides a nice variety.


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#2200304 - 12/19/13 04:53 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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Here's a novel idea: How about doing the nocturnes plus the large works? Sonatas, Ballades, Scherzi, Barcarolle, Fantasy, Polonaises and the like. Or perhaps the Etudes; that would be interesting.
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#2200310 - 12/19/13 04:55 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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I feel like that would take way too much preparation time. If a mazurka recital warrants 3 months, that kind of recital would require about 20 years. grin

I like the idea of a nocturne/waltz recital.
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#2200312 - 12/19/13 04:59 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: JoelW]
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I feel like that would take way too much preparation time. If a mazurka recital warrants 3 months, that kind of recital would require about 20 years. grin

Perhaps true. grin

Originally Posted By: JoelW
I like the idea of a nocturne/waltz recital.

Why not do the etudes? Anyway, it's up to you.
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#2200314 - 12/19/13 05:01 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
I like the idea of a nocturne/waltz recital.

Why not do the etudes?


Same reason. grin
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#2200315 - 12/19/13 05:02 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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Is it time for the 8th installment?
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#2200316 - 12/19/13 05:02 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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Most people would already know them, and they are not as hard to learn as you think.

8th installment in half an hour.
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#2200317 - 12/19/13 05:04 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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Tell ya what guys - lets please start a NEW thread to discuss the NEW recital. We're starting to mix apples, oranges and grapefruit here - and we shouldn't be losing our focus IMHO.

Thanks !!
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#2200319 - 12/19/13 05:08 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: carey]
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Tell ya what guys - lets please start a NEW thread to discuss the NEW recital. We're starting to mix apples, oranges and grapefruit here - and we shouldn't be losing our focus IMHO.

Thanks !!


I didn't mean to hijack! A new thread won't be necessary but I agree, let's keep this thread about the mazurkas. smile
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#2200326 - 12/19/13 05:20 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: BruceD]
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The Opus 41 Mazurkas are all so convincingly played; they were a treat to listen to.


ABSOLUTELY - the Opus 41 rocks !!!!!!!

Do have a question - in my Breitkoph Edition edited by Ignaz Friedman in 1912, the pieces are ordered differently.

Our #1 is #2 in Breitkoph
#2 is #3
#3 is #4
and #4 is #1.........

Go figure !!!

Anyway - I thought both Kreisler's and Dire Tonic's performances were top notch in every respect. (And Dire - I recall you were originally concerned about your ability to pull this off. Obviously you had nothing to worry about. grin )

Tim's renditions of the two most difficult pieces in the set (IMO) were excellent. #4 in particular was completely convincing. You really nailed it.



Edited by carey (12/19/13 05:22 PM)
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#2200332 - 12/19/13 05:39 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: Polyphonist]
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Here's a novel idea: How about doing the nocturnes plus the large works? Sonatas, Ballades, Scherzi, Barcarolle, Fantasy, Polonaises and the like. Or perhaps the Etudes; that would be interesting.


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#2200333 - 12/19/13 05:40 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: FarmGirl]
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Carey, since you are my real life friend too, I listened your again with the score (hahaha). Also I know you are / were pro, I listened to the recording of professionals with Spotify out of respect to you. Yep some friend I am.


It really is fun to have a PW member living a mere 10 minute drive from my house - and now we're attending the same monthly piano parties!!

I've heard those "professional" recordings as well, and they are most humbling.

I do want to clarify that I'm not, nor ever was, a "pro" (which is probably obvious from some of the recordings I've posted here). I was fortunate to have had some good teachers for a few years and a couple of lucky breaks that enabled me to get paid for teaching and accompanying before I decided to pursue a different career in the arts. At this point in my life, however, I'm simply a dedicated but frustrated amateur player. ha




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#2200347 - 12/19/13 06:24 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: carey]
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Thanks, Carey! I would agree with your assessment -- the 41-4 I was very pleased with musically, and I achieved it with only a couple of takes. I had played that piece many years ago (hate to say how many), and the remnants must have stayed with me. By contrast, the 41/2 was a new piece for me that I learned for this recital, and I went through a dozen takes, none of which I was totally satisfied with. I chose this one because I managed the murderous "B" section the best. It IS one wicked little mazurka!

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#2200350 - 12/19/13 06:29 PM Re: Chopin Mazurkas - 2013 Recital! [Re: carey]
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Hi, FarmGirl! Yes, there IS a discrepancy in the numbering of the 41 set, which caused confusion among us. I own the old Kalmus edition, which does NOT match up with the now approved ordering of the four. The 41/4 is 41/1 in my edition. Frankly, 41/4 makes more sense musically -- it is easily the most massive of the four, and it would match precisely the emotional arc established in Op 33.

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