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#2201385 - 12/22/13 12:45 PM How to always get the right touch?
tobevirtuoso Offline
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Hi
I'm preparing for the competition. I feel like I have no consistency in a good playing. I think it depends on my emotion and the piano used that day. Some parts it has to be danced but at the moment I don't really feel it. And to say about touches,I cannot control all of them that I want to listen to.
So Do you have any tips?
That would be very helpful.
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#2201454 - 12/22/13 03:27 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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You need to be aware of when which touch is appropriate. You undoubtably use arm weight but do you know you're doing it? Can you look through a score and say exactly where your fingers, hand and arm will be at all times?

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#2201492 - 12/22/13 04:51 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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It's not clear from your post whether your problem is purely technical or musical.

If it's the former, it's remedied by practising passages with a range of touch ranging from leggiero to pesante. Mendelssohn is great for the former (e.g. his Rondo capriccioso, 'Bee's Wedding'); Prokofiev is great for the latter (e.g. Montagues & Capulets from Romeo & Juliet). Above all, acquire complete finger independence and control of voicing to the extent that it becomes second nature.

If it's a musicality problem, maybe you need to widen your horizons - watch ballet, learn to dance, listen to chamber music, opera and song recitals as well as piano recitals.
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#2201557 - 12/22/13 06:49 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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Good replies so far.
BTW, you sound as though you don't have a teacher, which is fine but it makes it a bigger uphill battle than usual when you're trying to do stuff like competitions.

(If you do have a teacher, it seems surprising that you'd be at such a loss on what you're asking!)

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#2201559 - 12/22/13 06:51 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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I'm not sure what OP is asking.

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#2201569 - 12/22/13 07:20 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
I'm not sure what OP is asking.

I think it's pretty clear. It's just impossible to answer simply, especially other than 'in person.'

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#2201571 - 12/22/13 07:32 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
I'm not sure what OP is asking.

I think it's pretty clear. It's just impossible to answer simply, especially other than 'in person.'


It isn't clear to me whether s/he's talking about general quality of tone production, or consistency of tone from note to note during a long melody per say.

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#2201575 - 12/22/13 07:39 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: JoelW]
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Good question. You're right that that's not totally clear, but it sounds pretty much to me like it's mostly something pretty close to the former (more like, having the desired sound in a given section) but some of both.

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#2201577 - 12/22/13 07:43 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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Whatever it may be... step one: have a well-regulated action. grin

(especially if you're going to play Chopin op. 36)

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#2201673 - 12/23/13 01:09 AM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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Consistency is not necessarily a good thing. If your mood tells you to play a piece one way, even though at other times you play it another way, that opens your mind to other possibilities. If your technique allows you to play it in different ways according to your mood, you may have better control than you are giving yourself credit for.
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#2204806 - 12/30/13 01:09 AM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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As a technician, the first thing I check is its overall dynamic range from soft to loud.
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#2205045 - 12/30/13 03:09 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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I actually hear a third possibility in all of this: consistency from day-to-day, which could be translated as "...still playing a piece the way it needs to be played even when you're not in that particular mood."

I want to lean towards technique over musicality, but man, there's a good argument there for both. If we considered musicality to include, at least, being able to put yourself in the mood of the piece (or being able to "feel and translate" the mood of the piece), then it could easily be the culprit over technique.

I'm not sure, given the information available, that this one can be easily answered?
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#2205726 - 12/31/13 01:56 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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Can't swallow that. The day one's 'mood' equates with musicality will be a sad one indeed!

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#2205742 - 12/31/13 02:18 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: chopin_r_us]
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Originally Posted By: chopin_r_us
Can't swallow that. The day one's 'mood' equates with musicality will be a sad one indeed!

I agree. That's why I didn't say that. wink
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#2205790 - 12/31/13 04:01 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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Some years ago I went to a well known pianist's concert. I knew he had just jumped off the plane and had a 100 fever. Was he in the mood? I wouldn't think so. Did he play magnificently? Sure did.


Edited by chopin_r_us (12/31/13 04:30 PM)

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#2205792 - 12/31/13 04:03 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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Excuse me, but he had a 90 degree fever?
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#2205803 - 12/31/13 04:18 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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Sorry, I was confusing my heatwaves with my fevers - 100.

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#2205804 - 12/31/13 04:20 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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That sounds more like it. grin
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#2205854 - 12/31/13 06:11 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: chopin_r_us]
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Originally Posted By: chopin_r_us
Sorry, I was confusing my heatwaves with my fevers - 100.

If you're talking celsius, that'd be one heck of a heat wave.. grin
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#2205859 - 12/31/13 06:15 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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and one heck of a fever.

p.s. I forgot about the bizarre heck thing. Was this forum's software written in the 19th century or what?

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#2206476 - 01/01/14 04:47 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: chopin_r_us]
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Originally Posted By: chopin_r_us
and one heck of a fever.

p.s. I forgot about the bizarre heck thing. Was this forum's software written in the 19th century or what?

I don't know, but heck, wherever it is, sounds like a very balmy place. wink
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#2206487 - 01/01/14 05:02 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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"There is no such thing as a natural touch. Touch is something you create by hitting millions of golf balls."

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#2206511 - 01/01/14 05:41 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: tobevirtuoso]
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Getting the right touch all the time(whatever the OP means by this) is a technical issue. Therefore, like any technical problem, there are two requirements:

1. Having a very knowledgeable teacher explain/demonstrate what to do and why(for such a general topic as touch there could be different approaches, although I think they will have things in common)

2. Practice


Edited by pianoloverus (01/01/14 06:20 PM)

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#2206534 - 01/01/14 06:29 PM Re: How to always get the right touch? [Re: Kreisler]
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"There is no such thing as a natural touch. Touch is something you create by hitting millions of golf balls."

- Lee Trevino

One of the all-time greats. Love this commercial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVxy_AeL57o
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