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#2250390 - 03/22/14 09:27 AM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Deadline is today right? What time? 11:59 PM EST?

I know this sounds like major procrastinator question lol. It's coming!

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#2250399 - 03/22/14 09:40 AM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: Pathbreaker]
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Originally Posted By: Pathbreaker
Deadline is today right? What time? 11:59 PM EST?

I know this sounds like major procrastinator question lol. It's coming!


Every second counts, so it's 11:59:59
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#2250405 - 03/22/14 09:54 AM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Joel and participants,

Very sorry for being late with my submission. I took this last week off work to practice my nocturne but unfortunately I fell ill last Saturday and only recovered yesterday! I ran through the piece numerous times months ago and worked out most of the details, but I was relying on this last week to do much of the work.

I have been practicing diligently yesterday and today, and I promise I will have a recording uploaded and the link sent by tomorrow morning (9 am EDT) at the latest. Sorry again.
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#2250412 - 03/22/14 10:25 AM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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It's been a really crappy season for illness. I feel like my house has had the plague three times over this year.

My first take was a spectacular failure. I somehow had the wrong mic going and it only recorded the sound of me hitting the keys and Dinosaur Train in the background. I can upload this one if anyone likes Dinosaur Train. ha

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#2250414 - 03/22/14 10:28 AM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Ok, I made my submission. I had the c minor posthumous nocturne. Unfortunately for me, I just could NOT get a good recent recording of it. I am so crazy busy, I couldn't even find my Zoom. It's around here somewhere.

Anyway, thankfully, I had it recorded from this past summer, but it's on a digital piano and it's also only about 8 weeks into starting piano. Be that as it may, it's the best I've got, so...be merciful. smile
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Tchaikovsky, Avril: Perce-neige Op. 37a No. 4
Dvorak, Piano Quintet No. 2, Op. 81

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#2250424 - 03/22/14 11:02 AM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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It's March 22nd and only 26 of the 40 entries have been submitted.

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#2250434 - 03/22/14 11:29 AM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Fixed my equipment problems and got a couple average takes so that I have something. It's an ok start, I'll get a few more in today which should be better. Glad I didn't pick anything too difficult.

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#2250436 - 03/22/14 11:38 AM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Should I postpone the due date?

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#2250437 - 03/22/14 11:42 AM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Post a call for submissions thread. That usually works.

I just submitted the E-flat Nocturne, Op. 55 No. 2.

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#2250439 - 03/22/14 11:50 AM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Did you get my 55-1?
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#2250441 - 03/22/14 11:53 AM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Yes.

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#2250447 - 03/22/14 12:03 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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I echo what Jeffrey said about posting a "submissions call" thread. Sometimes people ignore the original thread when it becomes too chit-chatty and forget the due date.
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#2250453 - 03/22/14 12:15 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
It's March 22nd and only 26 of the 40 entries have been submitted.


Does that include me? I PMed a link, not a file, and I'm not sure if that's adequate.
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Tchaikovsky, Avril: Perce-neige Op. 37a No. 4
Dvorak, Piano Quintet No. 2, Op. 81

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#2250454 - 03/22/14 12:17 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: TwoSnowflakes]
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Originally Posted By: TwoSnowflakes
Originally Posted By: JoelW
It's March 22nd and only 26 of the 40 entries have been submitted.


Does that include me? I PMed a link, not a file, and I'm not sure if that's adequate.


I submitted a youtube link to my video.
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#2250455 - 03/22/14 12:19 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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I don't know if that's necessary. For my part I just got a take that I am satisfied with. Except for somewhat botching some of my favorite parts and rushing the rhythm in most of the trill parts I'm still happy enough with it that I could submit it.

I'll see if I can do better sometime today but if not I'm covered.

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#2250457 - 03/22/14 12:23 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: Damon]
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If you re-post the list with the ones remaining, it may also help prompt submissions or get an alternate recording from someone who already played it before.
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#2250460 - 03/22/14 12:26 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: Damon]
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That's a good idea.

I'm tempted to just submit the one I have and then be done. My son refused to clean up his crayons so I sent him to his room. Got the idea to do a quick take while he was there and it came out surprisingly good given the circumstances. smile

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#2250462 - 03/22/14 12:34 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Nothing like getting in the right mood, Pathbreaker wink

Joel can you either reply to PMs confirming that you got submissions, or post the list to this thread showing which you have received? It would be nice for us to know whether we need to resubmit, or if the file was not the right type, etc.
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#2250467 - 03/22/14 12:39 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: hreichgott]
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Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Nothing like getting in the right mood, Pathbreaker wink

Joel can you either reply to PMs confirming that you got submissions, or post the list to this thread showing which you have received? It would be nice for us to know whether we need to resubmit, or if the file was not the right type, etc.


+1
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#2250469 - 03/22/14 12:44 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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As someone who PMs quite regularly, I can assure you that I am getting all of your PMs. I don't think there's some glitch where PMs don't "get through". As for recordings not working, I will be sure to let you know if it isn't working for me. I listen to them all.

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#2250473 - 03/22/14 12:57 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
As for recordings. . . I listen to them all.
Speaking for myself, God bless you!
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#2250488 - 03/22/14 01:29 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: DameMyra]
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Originally Posted By: DameMyra
Originally Posted By: JoelW
As for recordings. . . I listen to them all.
Speaking for myself, God bless you!


I'll second that!

Regards,
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#2250527 - 03/22/14 03:10 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Thanks for putting this together, Joel. I just sent you my submission: Waltz in A minor, Op. 34 No. 2

There's a few memory slips in there, one is an obvious brain fart but I thought it best to leave these in there as one other poster called it "rustic," I like that.

I used the score for the video like I've done for my last few recordings (thanks to Hakki's tutorial). Please forgive the occasionally imprecise page turning. One last thing to note is that I did not use the edition in the video for learning this piece so there may be some inconsistencies (which I haven't checked for at all). All comments and criticisms are welcome. If it's horrible I want to know but if this is the case please explain. smile

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#2250537 - 03/22/14 03:26 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: JoelW]
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Originally Posted By: JoelW
As someone who PMs quite regularly, I can assure you that I am getting all of your PMs.[...]


Reminds me of some talk show host/comic who declared :

"All of you listening to me in your cars, honk your horn!" Loud sounds of horns blaring all over the city.
"Now, all of you not listening to me in your cars, honk your horn!" Silence!

Proof : Everyone was listening to the program! smile

Cheers!
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#2250583 - 03/22/14 05:08 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: ChopinLives81]
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Nocturnes:

1) B-flat minor, Op. 9 No. 1 (doctor S)
2) E-flat major, Op. 9 No. 2 SUBMITTED
3) B major, Op. 9 No. 3 (ansatz737)
4) F major, Op. 15 No. 1 (Roland The Beagle)
5) F-sharp major, Op. 15 No. 2 SUBMITTED
6) G minor, Op. 15 No. 3 SUBMITTED
7) C-sharp minor, Op. 27 No. 1 (Morodiene)
8) D-flat major, Op. 27 No. 2 SUBMITTED
9) B major, Op. 32 No. 1 (Brad Hoehne)
10) A-flat major, Op. 32 No. 2 (dynamobt)
11) G minor, Op. 37 No. 1 (ElaineAllegro)
12) G major, Op. 37 No. 2 (SlatterFan)
13) C minor, Op. 48 No. 1 (Kreisler)
14) F-sharp minor, Op. 48 No. 2 (BruceD)
15) F minor, Op. 55 No. 1 SUBMITTED
16) E-flat major, Op. 55 No. 2 SUBMITTED
17) B major, Op. 62 No. 1 (Emanuel Ravelli)
18) E major, Op. 62 No. 2 (dire tonic)
19) E minor, Op. 72 No. 1 SUBMITTED
20) C-sharp minor, P1/16 (doctor S)
21) C minor, P2/8 SUBMITTED


Waltzes:

1) E-flat major, Op. 18 (Carey)
2) A-flat major, Op. 34 No. 1 (hreichgott)
3) A minor, Op. 34 No. 2 SUBMITTED
4) F major, Op. 34 No. 3 (ansatz737)
5) A-flat major, Op. 42 (Carey)
6) D-flat major, Op. 64 No. 1 (AZNpiano)
7) C-sharp minor, Op. 64 No. 2 (Sammae)
8) A-flat major, Op. 64 No. 3 (timmyab)
9) A-flat major, Op. 69 No. 1 (BruceD)
10) B minor, Op. 69 No. 2 (Sam S)
11) G-flat major, Op. 70 No. 1 (Tim Adrianson)
12) F minor, Op. 70 No. 2 (Ganddalf)
13) D-flat major, Op. 70 No. 3 (musica71)
14) E minor, KK IVa/15 (dannylux)
15) E major, KK IVa/12 (Tim Adrianson)
16) A-flat major, KK IVa/13 (Cinnamonbear)
17) E-flat major, KK IVa/14 (Cinnamonbear)
18) E-flat major, KK IVb/10 (maxmila)
19) A minor, KK IVb/11 (FSO)
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#2250590 - 03/22/14 05:23 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: Damon]
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That's all I got by poking through the thread. Copy and paste if you submitted yours.
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#2250593 - 03/22/14 05:26 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: hreichgott]
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Nice work with the list. It looks like Heather submitted already.

Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Nothing like getting in the right mood, Pathbreaker wink

Joel can you either reply to PMs confirming that you got submissions, or post the list to this thread showing which you have received? It would be nice for us to know whether we need to resubmit, or if the file was not the right type, etc.


Maybe each person that submits can now update this list? Or someone could.

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#2250598 - 03/22/14 05:30 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: Damon]
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Nocturnes:

1) B-flat minor, Op. 9 No. 1 (doctor S)
2) E-flat major, Op. 9 No. 2 SUBMITTED
3) B major, Op. 9 No. 3 (ansatz737)
4) F major, Op. 15 No. 1 (Roland The Beagle)
5) F-sharp major, Op. 15 No. 2 SUBMITTED
6) G minor, Op. 15 No. 3 SUBMITTED
7) C-sharp minor, Op. 27 No. 1 (Morodiene)
8) D-flat major, Op. 27 No. 2 SUBMITTED
9) B major, Op. 32 No. 1 (Brad Hoehne)
10) A-flat major, Op. 32 No. 2 (dynamobt)
11) G minor, Op. 37 No. 1 (ElaineAllegro)
12) G major, Op. 37 No. 2 (SlatterFan)
13) C minor, Op. 48 No. 1 (Kreisler)
14) F-sharp minor, Op. 48 No. 2 (BruceD)
15) F minor, Op. 55 No. 1 SUBMITTED
16) E-flat major, Op. 55 No. 2 SUBMITTED
17) B major, Op. 62 No. 1 (Emanuel Ravelli)
18) E major, Op. 62 No. 2 SUBMITTED
19) E minor, Op. 72 No. 1 SUBMITTED
20) C-sharp minor, P1/16 (doctor S)
21) C minor, P2/8 SUBMITTED


Waltzes:

1) E-flat major, Op. 18 (Carey)
2) A-flat major, Op. 34 No. 1 (hreichgott)
3) A minor, Op. 34 No. 2 SUBMITTED
4) F major, Op. 34 No. 3 (ansatz737)
5) A-flat major, Op. 42 (Carey)
6) D-flat major, Op. 64 No. 1 (AZNpiano)
7) C-sharp minor, Op. 64 No. 2 (Sammae)
8) A-flat major, Op. 64 No. 3 (timmyab)
9) A-flat major, Op. 69 No. 1 (BruceD)
10) B minor, Op. 69 No. 2 (Sam S)
11) G-flat major, Op. 70 No. 1 (Tim Adrianson)
12) F minor, Op. 70 No. 2 (Ganddalf)
13) D-flat major, Op. 70 No. 3 (musica71)
14) E minor, KK IVa/15 (dannylux)
15) E major, KK IVa/12 (Tim Adrianson)
16) A-flat major, KK IVa/13 (Cinnamonbear)
17) E-flat major, KK IVa/14 (Cinnamonbear)
18) E-flat major, KK IVb/10 (maxmila)
19) A minor, KK IVb/11 (FSO)

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#2250600 - 03/22/14 05:34 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: dire tonic]
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Originally Posted By: dire tonic
Nocturnes:

1) B-flat minor, Op. 9 No. 1 (doctor S)
2) E-flat major, Op. 9 No. 2 SUBMITTED
3) B major, Op. 9 No. 3 (ansatz737)
4) F major, Op. 15 No. 1 (Roland The Beagle)
5) F-sharp major, Op. 15 No. 2 SUBMITTED
6) G minor, Op. 15 No. 3 SUBMITTED
7) C-sharp minor, Op. 27 No. 1 (Morodiene)
8) D-flat major, Op. 27 No. 2 SUBMITTED
9) B major, Op. 32 No. 1 (Brad Hoehne)
10) A-flat major, Op. 32 No. 2 (dynamobt)
11) G minor, Op. 37 No. 1 SUBMITTED
12) G major, Op. 37 No. 2 (SlatterFan)
13) C minor, Op. 48 No. 1 (Kreisler)
14) F-sharp minor, Op. 48 No. 2 (BruceD)
15) F minor, Op. 55 No. 1 SUBMITTED
16) E-flat major, Op. 55 No. 2 SUBMITTED
17) B major, Op. 62 No. 1 (Emanuel Ravelli)
18) E major, Op. 62 No. 2 SUBMITTED
19) E minor, Op. 72 No. 1 SUBMITTED
20) C-sharp minor, P1/16 (doctor S)
21) C minor, P2/8 SUBMITTED


Waltzes:

1) E-flat major, Op. 18 (Carey)
2) A-flat major, Op. 34 No. 1 (hreichgott)
3) A minor, Op. 34 No. 2 SUBMITTED
4) F major, Op. 34 No. 3 (ansatz737)
5) A-flat major, Op. 42 (Carey)
6) D-flat major, Op. 64 No. 1 (AZNpiano)
7) C-sharp minor, Op. 64 No. 2 (Sammae)
8) A-flat major, Op. 64 No. 3 (timmyab)
9) A-flat major, Op. 69 No. 1 (BruceD)
10) B minor, Op. 69 No. 2 (Sam S)
11) G-flat major, Op. 70 No. 1 (Tim Adrianson)
12) F minor, Op. 70 No. 2 (Ganddalf)
13) D-flat major, Op. 70 No. 3 (musica71)
14) E minor, KK IVa/15 (dannylux)
15) E major, KK IVa/12 (Tim Adrianson)
16) A-flat major, KK IVa/13 (Cinnamonbear)
17) E-flat major, KK IVa/14 (Cinnamonbear)
18) E-flat major, KK IVb/10 (maxmila)
19) A minor, KK IVb/11 (FSO)



(Re-submitted it after not seeing it on this list.)

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#2250601 - 03/22/14 05:35 PM Re: Forum recital: Chopin nocturnes and waltzes [Re: dire tonic]
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Loc: Georgia, USA
Nocturnes:

1) B-flat minor, Op. 9 No. 1 (doctor S)
2) E-flat major, Op. 9 No. 2 SUBMITTED
3) B major, Op. 9 No. 3 (ansatz737)
4) F major, Op. 15 No. 1 (Roland The Beagle)
5) F-sharp major, Op. 15 No. 2 SUBMITTED
6) G minor, Op. 15 No. 3 SUBMITTED
7) C-sharp minor, Op. 27 No. 1 (Morodiene)
8) D-flat major, Op. 27 No. 2 SUBMITTED
9) B major, Op. 32 No. 1 (Brad Hoehne)
10) A-flat major, Op. 32 No. 2 (dynamobt)
11) G minor, Op. 37 No. 1 (ElaineAllegro)
12) G major, Op. 37 No. 2 (SlatterFan)
13) C minor, Op. 48 No. 1 (Kreisler)
14) F-sharp minor, Op. 48 No. 2 (BruceD)
15) F minor, Op. 55 No. 1 SUBMITTED
16) E-flat major, Op. 55 No. 2 SUBMITTED
17) B major, Op. 62 No. 1 (Emanuel Ravelli)
18) E major, Op. 62 No. 2 SUBMITTED
19) E minor, Op. 72 No. 1 SUBMITTED
20) C-sharp minor, P1/16 (doctor S)
21) C minor, P2/8 SUBMITTED


Waltzes:

1) E-flat major, Op. 18 (Carey)
2) A-flat major, Op. 34 No. 1 (hreichgott)
3) A minor, Op. 34 No. 2 SUBMITTED
4) F major, Op. 34 No. 3 (ansatz737)
5) A-flat major, Op. 42 (Carey)
6) D-flat major, Op. 64 No. 1 (AZNpiano)
7) C-sharp minor, Op. 64 No. 2 (Sammae)
8) A-flat major, Op. 64 No. 3 (timmyab)
9) A-flat major, Op. 69 No. 1 (BruceD)
10) B minor, Op. 69 No. 2 SUBMITTED
11) G-flat major, Op. 70 No. 1 (Tim Adrianson)
12) F minor, Op. 70 No. 2 (Ganddalf)
13) D-flat major, Op. 70 No. 3 (musica71)
14) E minor, KK IVa/15 (dannylux)
15) E major, KK IVa/12 (Tim Adrianson)
16) A-flat major, KK IVa/13 (Cinnamonbear)
17) E-flat major, KK IVa/14 (Cinnamonbear)
18) E-flat major, KK IVb/10 (maxmila)
19) A minor, KK IVb/11 (FSO)

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