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#2201514 - 12/22/13 05:25 PM D7 and Am7 and CMaj7
pianomise Offline
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I am learing a tune that has a number of these chords:

D7
D F# A C

and Am7
A C E G

and CMaj7
C E G B

I can see on the web what the fingering is for these.

However, someone who sometimes advises me tells that you can routinely drop the 5th note.

But I do not see that advice anywhere else.

Is that good advice?

Thanks.

Mac

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#2201524 - 12/22/13 05:38 PM Re: D7 and Am7 and CMaj7 [Re: pianomise]
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I assume you know that "dropping the fifth" means not playing the 5th note of the scale.

Without going into the reasoning behind it ... generally, that is true ... in terms of affecting the overall sound of the chord.

The way to satisfy yourself would be play the song using those fifths in the chords and then without. Your ears will be the final determinate on the matter.
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#2201562 - 12/22/13 06:55 PM Re: D7 and Am7 and CMaj7 [Re: pianomise]
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In what context are you playing those chords? The left hand to accompany a melody?

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#2201753 - 12/23/13 08:39 AM Re: D7 and Am7 and CMaj7 [Re: pianomise]
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Yes, I know what dropping the fifth means. Thanks.

Yes, I am playing the chords on the left hand to accompany a melody (Slan Leis an Uaigneas).

Thanks.

Mac

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#2201787 - 12/23/13 09:44 AM Re: D7 and Am7 and CMaj7 [Re: pianomise]
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If you are playing the chords in the left hand, playing all four notes of those chords so close together is probably too muddy a sound. So dropping the fifth is a good idea for that reason, as well.

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#2202405 - 12/24/13 02:36 PM Re: D7 and Am7 and CMaj7 [Re: pianomise]
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I usually play octaves with the LH and will generally include the 5th. No other note: CGC, unless it's very low.


Edited by RUSS SHETTLE (12/24/13 02:39 PM)
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#2202437 - 12/24/13 03:54 PM Re: D7 and Am7 and CMaj7 [Re: pianomise]
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yes you can generally drop the 5th from a chord voicing. the 5th doesn't confer any specific chord quality to the voicing as it is a generic note common to three of the five most common chord types (major 7, dominant 7, minor 7 [all three of these have the same 5th] minor 7 b5 and diminished 7 [these have a flatted 5th which does confer the specific quality of these chords] and is important to include in voicings of these chord types).
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#2202505 - 12/24/13 06:31 PM Re: D7 and Am7 and CMaj7 [Re: JazzPianoOnline]
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Originally Posted By: JazzPianoOnline
yes you can generally drop the 5th from a chord voicing. the 5th doesn't confer any specific chord quality to the voicing as it is a generic note common to three of the five most common chord types (major 7, dominant 7, minor 7 [all three of these have the same 5th] minor 7 b5 and diminished 7 [these have a flatted 5th which does confer the specific quality of these chords] and is important to include in voicings of these chord types).


I would agree to that and with chords which are diminished such as, like you say: m7b5, the 5th in the LH is removed leaving octaves or whatever and including augmented, #5.
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#2202512 - 12/24/13 06:46 PM Re: D7 and Am7 and CMaj7 [Re: dmd]
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I studied with Rebecca Mauleon and she used The Jazz Piano Book by Mark Levine for her students. You could probably spend the rest of your life working out chord voicings and theory.

http://www.amazon.com/Jazz-Piano-Book-Mark-Levine/dp/0961470151

Of course, the Jamey Aebersold stuff is great too.
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#2203045 - 12/26/13 09:41 AM Re: D7 and Am7 and CMaj7 [Re: Nicole94707]
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Thanks for all the comments.

I appreciate the help.

Mac

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