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#2202189 - 12/24/13 05:15 AM Bach mordent help
Lorcar Offline
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Studying prelude in C 924a
and mordents for first time. My edition has writtend down how to play it,



it seems ok, but when I listen the first two on youtube, it seems they play a couple of notes more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkSTLXk2TG4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcs8L75YWak

just my idea or it is really so?
thanks

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#2202225 - 12/24/13 07:25 AM Re: Bach mordent help [Re: Lorcar]
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Baroque ornaments would never have been written out and would have been left to the taste of the player. More or less notes are perfectly acceptable. To many of us, less is more - meaning that a well executed ornament is going to sound far better than trying to cram all the possible variations in and crashing.

If you find it difficult sleeping you could consult CPE Bach's extensive essay on ornamentation.

Alternatively, try this: Baroque Ornamentation
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#2202227 - 12/24/13 07:27 AM Re: Bach mordent help [Re: Lorcar]
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I didn't listen to the recordings since I don't know this piece. But it's basically a trill followed by a mordent. So you can extend the trill part as you like.
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#2202264 - 12/24/13 09:27 AM Re: Bach mordent help [Re: Lorcar]
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thanks guys.

it seems I cant find it in the page Andy pointed out though..

WOuter: you say trill +mordent. But it seems to me there is something BEFORE the trill as well

it should be something like "trill with prefix from below AND termination"

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#2202274 - 12/24/13 09:44 AM Re: Bach mordent help [Re: Lorcar]
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The part I can see of the figuration is just trill plus mordent.

There seems something attached to it to the left but it falls out of the picture. Might be the one note to be prefixed. And you can always extend the figuration if you like smile
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#2202295 - 12/24/13 10:29 AM Re: Bach mordent help [Re: Lorcar]
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#2202306 - 12/24/13 10:48 AM Re: Bach mordent help [Re: Andy Platt]
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Quote:
Alternatively, try this: Baroque Ornamentation

Andy thank you so much for this link. What a wealth of information and recordings. smile
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#2202376 - 12/24/13 01:10 PM Re: Bach mordent help [Re: Lorcar]
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Yes that new picture shows an arc, adding the extra figure before the trill.
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