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#2206092 - 01/01/14 12:00 AM NEW Yamaha p-255?
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I was looking at possible alternatives for the defective keyboard in my other post, and I came across Yamaha`s schedule of events for NAMM 2014, where they mention a new digital piano announcement called the p255. Any one know anything about it?

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2013/12/prweb11435871.htm
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#2206100 - 01/01/14 12:29 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Sounds like it uses the new CFIIS sample set they used in the CP4/CP40.

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#2206244 - 01/01/14 08:24 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: David Farley]
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I assume upgrade to to the 2006 P155. Better sound engine/samples like David mentioned. Action might still be GH or possibly new GH wood. Maybe decent onboard speakers that can project like a CP300 but without the huge size.


Edited by Marko in Boston (01/01/14 08:30 AM)
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#2206256 - 01/01/14 09:07 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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As long as we're speculating ...

Better sound engine? Yamaha hasn't introduced any such since the late 90s.

Wood keyboard? Not in this price range.

I expect only minor changes, so I'll guess that the 255 is just a 155, but with the 1 changed to a 2.

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#2206296 - 01/01/14 11:19 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Typically, when companies come out with upgrades to to older models, the newer models tend to sell at the same price point as the older model (think iPad 1,2,3, etc).With that said, do you guys think that the p-255 will cost the same as the 155 does now? I don't really know how Yamaha world in this regard.
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#2206299 - 01/01/14 11:27 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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What about the TransAcoustic piano? It seems like a digital upright with a sounboard instead of speakers.

On a second look, it seems like an acoustic piano with digital capabilities; still, no speakers. It would be nice to see the AvantGrands with a soundboard-only system.

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#2206302 - 01/01/14 11:37 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Well... as we say here in Brazil, it will come out using a new perfume. Nothing new, no real improvement... now if the price of the P-155 drop, then, the P-155 will be a better deal. smile
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#2206352 - 01/01/14 01:09 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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The page says:

"The powerful and portable P-255 digital piano includes Pure CF Sampling from a Yamaha CFIIIS concert grand for its piano tone."

The P155 already has Pure CF sampling of a CFIIIS, so I wouldn't even assume the piano sound will be any different.

For those hoping for something revolutionary (or getting down on Yamaha for the fact that it almost certainly will not be), budget instruments are not where you should expect any kind of great advance. The P255 will probably simply be a mild updating... either an incremental improvement over the P155, or a more economized version. I just hope they don't take out the MIDI connectors.

What I'd like to see is an effective merging of the CP33 and the P155. It's a shame you have to choose between internal speakers and MIDI controller functionality, one board should be able to do both. The CP300 is too heavy.

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#2206353 - 01/01/14 01:10 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
As long as we're speculating ...

Better sound engine? Yamaha hasn't introduced any such since the late 90s.

Wood keyboard? Not in this price range.

I expect only minor changes, so I'll guess that the 255 is just a 155, but with the 1 changed to a 2.


So true. Probably same shell as CP4 & 40 but with speakers. Yamaha figuring a way to cut cost on production.
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#2206356 - 01/01/14 01:12 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Yes, I wonder how they could improve the P155 without pressing the price considerably upward. True, new models start with a higher price, even without much change, so the P155 might be more tempting if it drops in price. Then the marketing people at Yamaha most certainly know that.

The P95 wasn't much improvement from P85, although P105 introduced a bit more ambition quality- and featurewise. Yamaha P155 isn't exactly feature-rich, so they must think of some extra features in a possible P255. Still, I fear it will mostly be old wine on new wineskins.


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#2206407 - 01/01/14 02:55 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Assuming YDP and P lines are basically the same board with or without the cabinet (P-105 and YDP-142; P-155 and YDP-161) I'm betting the so called P255 will be very similar to the current YDP-162, which means, aside from cosmetic changes, new sound engine and ivory key tops.

I'd also expect it to keep the $999 price tag.

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#2206420 - 01/01/14 03:13 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Typically,after these pianos are officially announced,how long before the product actually becomes available?
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#2206482 - 01/01/14 04:55 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
The page says:

"The powerful and portable P-255 digital piano includes Pure CF Sampling from a Yamaha CFIIIS concert grand for its piano tone."

The P155 already has Pure CF sampling of a CFIIIS, so I wouldn't even assume the piano sound will be any different.

For those hoping for something revolutionary (or getting down on Yamaha for the fact that it almost certainly will not be), budget instruments are not where you should expect any kind of great advance. The P255 will probably simply be a mild updating... either an incremental improvement over the P155, or a more economized version. I just hope they don't take out the MIDI connectors.

What I'd like to see is an effective merging of the CP33 and the P155. It's a shame you have to choose between internal speakers and MIDI controller functionality, one board should be able to do both. The CP300 is too heavy.


My guess is, joining in the speculation, that the web page quote you quote is just taken from the P155 page, and it will be updated before release to state CFX which was the tone upgrade for the CP4.

Hopefully for the same price point there will be other incremental improvements, especially the keys.


Edited by spanishbuddha (01/02/14 04:21 AM)

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#2206501 - 01/01/14 05:22 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: MacMacMac]
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I'll guess that the 255 is just a 155, but with the 1 changed to a 2.

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#2206507 - 01/01/14 05:36 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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GH3 and faux-ivory keys for $999 too much to ask?
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#2206524 - 01/01/14 06:11 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Psychonaut]
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I hope it doesn't make rattling noises like the P105. This made the P105 a downgrade for many from the P95.

-I wonder if this will drive the P155 price down to clear them out- it might make it a better deal than the P255.
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#2206793 - 01/02/14 09:30 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Pete14]
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Originally Posted By: Pete14
What about the TransAcoustic piano? It seems like a digital upright with a sounboard instead of speakers.

On a second look, it seems like an acoustic piano with digital capabilities; still, no speakers. It would be nice to see the AvantGrands with a soundboard-only system.

Nobody react on this info ?
As It might interest me if they issue some new hybrid pianos..
No more info ?
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#2207619 - 01/03/14 05:04 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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It looks like the TransAcoustic concept was introduced last April at Musikmesse. It was installed on a C3X. So it is an acoustic-based hybrid (like the Disklavier); however, it will not use speakers for the digital sounds. Only a soundboard for both acoustic (piano) and digital sounds will be used. I believe this is a first.

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#2211619 - 01/09/14 04:00 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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#2211628 - 01/09/14 04:10 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: nazanone]
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Wow! Excellent find, but I sure hope that price tag changes...that's $1,800, nearly 1k more than the currently priced P-155.
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#2211651 - 01/09/14 04:56 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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GH keyboard with synthetic ivory covering
256 polyphony
sympathetic resonance

Yawn.

Buy a P-155 and get a software piano.

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#2211686 - 01/09/14 05:35 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Originally Posted By: carkar
Wow! Excellent find, but I sure hope that price tag changes...that's $1,800, nearly 1k more than the currently priced P-155.


This price is the actual price of P155 so nothing changed in fact.At least, in Europe.
I do not have any bloody idea, how this one particular instrument is around 40% cheaper in USA from a long time, while all others are priced more or less the same, not only from Yamaha, but also Rolands and Kawais.

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#2211709 - 01/09/14 06:08 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: kapelli]
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Originally Posted By: carkar
Wow! Excellent find, but I sure hope that price tag changes...that's $1,800, nearly 1k more than the currently priced P-155.


This price is the actual price of P155 so nothing changed in fact.At least, in Europe.
I do not have any bloody idea, how this one particular instrument is around 40% cheaper in USA from a long time, while all others are priced more or less the same, not only from Yamaha, but also Rolands and Kawais.


Pricing makes no sense to me either. The kawai ES7 is $1999 in the US and $1075 in Japan.
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#2211741 - 01/09/14 07:19 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Originally Posted By: carkar
Wow! Excellent find, but I sure hope that price tag changes...that's $1,800, nearly 1k more than the currently priced P-155.


European prices are different than US prices. At that website the P255 is just 59 Euros - or US $80 - more than the P155 they are still selling.

So in the USA the P255 will likely be $1100 at most.

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#2211759 - 01/09/14 07:50 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Doesn't look very innovative at this point--not even a third sensor. Maybe it will have really good sounds. Hopefully it will end up being the same price as the P155 also in the US. A nice little refresh for that model would be good.

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#2211768 - 01/09/14 08:03 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: nazanone]
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In the picture you can see a USB port to the right of the keyboard. Maybe you can record directly with the P255. Unfortunately the P155 does not allow for direct recording. Not a biggie, but something different. Probably not a big upgrade overall. I was hoping for something closer to the CP4.
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#2211981 - 01/10/14 05:17 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Well IF the sounds are substantially improved (we do not know yet, but it could be, with better samples and sympathetic resonance) I have nothing against such a refresh if the price remains the same. The P155 already was, and still is, despite its 'age', a solid instrument in its range, and its sound technology was its main limitation in my view.

But who knows - perhaps this is one of these 'sidegrades' so common in the electronics industry these days rather than an upgrade.

Dewster, would you like to have a go at the P255 sounds once it is out?

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#2211995 - 01/10/14 06:27 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: maurus]
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They might bring out a new midrange keyboard . . . similar to one of Kawai`s. That`d be good. . . .helluvan improvement imo
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#2212059 - 01/10/14 10:04 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: maurus]
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Dewster, would you like to have a go at the P255 sounds once it is out?

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#2212261 - 01/10/14 03:37 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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So it also looks like the Yamaha P-255 will have a 3-pedal unit compatible stand:
http://www.auvisa.com/productos/busqueda.aspx?buscar=yamaha+p255


Edited by carkar (01/10/14 03:42 PM)
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#2212265 - 01/10/14 03:43 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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More information (and in english!)

http://yamaha-keyboards.blogspot.ca/2014/01/yamaha-p-255-digital-piano-new.html

- "USB audio recording"... Maybe as .wav file?
- iOS app for what appears to be an alternative to using those Function buttons for programming.
- Ivory feel keys
- 255 note polyphony
- Aux input (nice)
- Drum patterns

So this does have several new features.

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#2212828 - 01/11/14 01:00 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: guyl]
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More information (and in english!)

http://yamaha-keyboards.blogspot.ca/2014/01/yamaha-p-255-digital-piano-new.html

- "USB audio recording"... Maybe as .wav file?
- iOS app for what appears to be an alternative to using those Function buttons for programming.
- Ivory feel keys
- 255 note polyphony
- Aux input (nice)
- Drum patterns

So this does have several new features.


looks like its wishful thinking that the 255 will have the CFX sample set loaded. which doesn't surprise me and if they keep the price point around $1000 probably not an unfair decision. I wish it would have the S6 sample set. that would really make it interesting. I have always felt the p155 was about the best overall value for its price point- decent action, usable sample set, decent onboard speaker system, and reasonable weight for lugging around.

with this one around a thousand and the cp4 around 2 grand, will they likely offer in something that splits the difference?
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#2212874 - 01/11/14 02:18 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: bfb]
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with this one around a thousand and the cp4 around 2 grand, will they likely offer in something that splits the difference?

they have the CP40.
But I think the lines separate more along the lines of
CP33/CP40/CP4 for models with MIDI control features and no speakers;
P35/P105/P155 for models with speakers rather than MIDI control functions.
the CP300 is the only piece that straddles those worlds. It's coming up on 8 years since its introduction, it's surprising it is still in the line, while never having been updated.

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#2212909 - 01/11/14 03:12 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: guyl]
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This update seems like a worthy replacement for my aging P-120. My P-120 has and still holds up well, but the extra polyphony and the new string resonance (which the CP4 does not have) will be welcomed. I'm glad to see that they have dropped the damper resonance effect and used the real stereo sustain samples as I find they sound better and less like a cranked up reverb effect. I have the stereo sustain samples on my P-120 but when I turn it up past the factory settings it does steal polyphony and I actually hear note cut-offs when I practice something like Chopin's Ballades (#4 is what I've been working on lately). I suppose Yamaha knows that the stereo sustain samples eat polyphony and thus covered that issue by increasing it to 256.

I'm also interested in the iOS application because it would be nice to "customize" certain parameters from my iPhone or iPad without using the function menu. I'm certainly going to take a good long look at this new P-255 especially if it is priced at $1100 or below US dollar. I do hope that they include a nice Rhodes emulation with an auto-pan effect that can be turned on and off. I may be asking too much there, but hey Yamaha seems to be waking up from it's slumber, lol!


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#2212944 - 01/11/14 04:17 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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The fly in the ointment is build quality and quality control. I wouldn't be so eager to pick up these new models if the price remains the same. The monetary inflation has to be going somewhere and my bet is that its going into decreased quality of manufacture.

I'll pick up the P-155 for $800 on a clearance sale, thank you very much. Sure beats the ES100.

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#2213043 - 01/11/14 07:13 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: StarvingLion]
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The fly in the ointment is build quality and quality control. I wouldn't be so eager to pick up these new models if the price remains the same. The monetary inflation has to be going somewhere and my bet is that its going into decreased quality of manufacture.

I'll pick up the P-155 for $800 on a clearance sale, thank you very much. Sure beats the ES100.


No question- I agree 100% as manufacturers are looking for every which way to increase profit margins.
My P95 was made much better than the P105 and my PX130 has much better components than the x50's I owned.
P155's seem to have a proven track record. A Yamaha price drop and a coupon from a retailer might actually give you a price of around $700 forthcoming.
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#2213062 - 01/11/14 07:53 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Possum SP280Krome]
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Possom: Do you have any substantiation for these silly claims. (Surely Starving Lion doesn't. He never does.)
Originally Posted By: Possum SP280Krome
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The fly in the ointment is build quality and quality control. I wouldn't be so eager to pick up these new models if the price remains the same. The monetary inflation has to be going somewhere and my bet is that its going into decreased quality of manufacture.
I'll pick up the P-155 for $800 on a clearance sale, thank you very much. Sure beats the ES100.
No question- I agree 100% as manufacturers are looking for every which way to increase profit margins.
My P95 was made much better than the P105 and my PX130 has much better components than the x50's I owned.
P155's seem to have a proven track record. A Yamaha price drop and a coupon from a retailer might actually give you a price of around $700 forthcoming.

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#2213066 - 01/11/14 08:00 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Possom: Do you have any substantiation for these silly claims. (Surely Starving Lion doesn't. He never does.)
Originally Posted By: Possum SP280Krome
Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
The fly in the ointment is build quality and quality control. I wouldn't be so eager to pick up these new models if the price remains the same. The monetary inflation has to be going somewhere and my bet is that its going into decreased quality of manufacture.
I'll pick up the P-155 for $800 on a clearance sale, thank you very much. Sure beats the ES100.
No question- I agree 100% as manufacturers are looking for every which way to increase profit margins.
My P95 was made much better than the P105 and my PX130 has much better components than the x50's I owned.
P155's seem to have a proven track record. A Yamaha price drop and a coupon from a retailer might actually give you a price of around $700 forthcoming.


These claims are not silly. Several of the P105's make a rattling noise coming from the right side when playing with both hands below middle c. This is due to poor assembly and fastening of the chassis and has been reported by at least 2 other individuals on this board. This was in addition to receiving a P105 with a broken key to start with.
In terms of the Casio, the speakers on the x30 series are much louder than those on the x50's. I did several side by side tests on both and even a retailer in my area noticed it.
In addition, I returned 2 PX350's due to uneven key widths and heights.
To some such as yourself, these might seem like silly claims, but to others such as myself, both a busy executive and semi-professional musician, a downgrade in quality in unacceptable. If you still think that is silly, you are entitled to your opinion.
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#2213116 - 01/11/14 09:39 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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I wasn't questioning the piano quality. Rather, I question your tracing the fault to "manufacturers looking for every which way to increase profit margins".

Since you cannot identify the cause of the faults, you cannot honestly make such an attribution.

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#2213119 - 01/11/14 09:42 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Possum SP280Krome]
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These claims are not silly.


Honestly, people will take you much more seriously if you don't quote or support StarvingLion's crazy rants. No one around here for a while would take him seriously. Thus to phrase your experiences as supporting him is to draw the disdain of everyone reading the thread. Better to just state your relevant experiences.

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#2213879 - 01/13/14 09:22 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: gvfarns]
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#2213898 - 01/13/14 09:51 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: LarryMan]
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#2213910 - 01/13/14 10:12 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Marko in Boston]
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USB to host AND MIDI connections. Fantastic. Gotta keep my eye on this one.

Anyone know anything about Casio's "class compliment" USB vs Yamaha's integration with DAWs as a MIDI controller?

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#2213914 - 01/13/14 10:21 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: dctrombly]
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USB to host AND MIDI connections. Fantastic. Gotta keep my eye on this one.


I noticed that too: MIDI to host is supported. There is a separate USB jack of the "device" type on the back, There appears to be a USB "host" jack on the front for a USB stick: a much better place for that purpose. Definitely a plus over the P-155.

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#2213958 - 01/13/14 11:57 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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It looks like the mahogany wood grain option is no longer available. I was hoping they'd offer the same colors as the P155.


Edited by Delphian2001 (01/13/14 12:25 PM)

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#2213962 - 01/13/14 12:00 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Speakers point out the back, it looks like maybe you hear the backwave through those narrow slits in the top? So maybe not all that different than the P120 (which is kind of lame sounding).

Same old 3 digit / 7 segment LED display.

I suppose the 3 band EQ is better than the single "brightness" slider on the P120, but I'd rather have a $1 data spinner and a $2 LCD display.

The i-whatever interface seem like fluff - probably not enough going on inside to warrant any kind of "deep dive".

Only 5 buttons for voice selection? With every model they seem to reduce voice button count. Not directionally correct IMO.

~38 lbs, not all that portable.
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#2213972 - 01/13/14 12:37 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: dewster]
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Same old 3 digit / 7 segment LED display.


Funny that you mention the display. I thought that the P-155's LED display was a strong point because a LCD display is often the first thing that becomes defective on keyboards that get carried and banged around.

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#2213976 - 01/13/14 12:48 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: guyl]
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Funny that you mention the display. I thought that the P-155's LED display was a strong point because a LCD display is often the first thing that becomes defective on keyboards that get carried and banged around.

I have nothing against LEDs, just that 3 digits / 7 segments is not enough info to really do much with. LCD displays can be robust, particularly the small & cheap 1 and 2 line alpha-numeric ones.
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#2213978 - 01/13/14 12:59 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: guyl
Funny that you mention the display. I thought that the P-155's LED display was a strong point because a LCD display is often the first thing that becomes defective on keyboards that get carried and banged around.

I have nothing against LEDs, just that 3 digits / 7 segments is not enough info to really do much with. LCD displays can be robust, particularly the small & cheap 1 and 2 line alpha-numeric ones.


True but I think that is the selling point and attractiveness of the free iOS app that is available for the P-255. I'm certainly interested in this one to replace my P-120.
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#2213981 - 01/13/14 01:04 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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The specs look similar to the CP40 in some ways (same sample set, key action and 3-band equalizer in the same position on the case). On the other hand, it has double the polyphony (256 vs 128), string resonance and, of course, speakers.

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#2214121 - 01/13/14 05:56 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Looks like an awesome DP IMO. Still waiting to see what the U.S. price will be, as right now it looks like $2000 if you consider conversion rates on various sites (http://www.andertons.co.uk/stage-pianos/pid32069/cid618/yamaha-p255-digital-stage-piano-in-black.asp)Which would be way too much for what it offers.
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#2214147 - 01/13/14 06:55 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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No. If you look at Andertons pricing the P155 is 1099 pounds, which is US $1800. You simply can not use conversion rates to accurately guess US prices.

Since the P255 at Andertons is only 100 pounds more than the price of the P155, the US pricing should be not more than $100 than the current US pricing of the P155.

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#2214607 - 01/14/14 02:05 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Edited by jcdamascenojr (01/14/14 02:05 PM)

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#2214722 - 01/14/14 05:19 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Hunting around for a DP, including the P155 which is available at reduced prices at the moment I came across this:

http://www.yamahamusiclondon.com/?page_id=31000864

with details here:

http://www.yamahamusiclondon.com/P~YAM-P255~P-255-Digital-Piano?attributes=

Scroll down past the video where most of the available details are revealed.

owners manual pdf here:

http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/musical...255/?mode=model


Scroll down to Downloads.

Apologies if this is already buried elsewhere in this thread.

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#2214765 - 01/14/14 06:50 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Is SoundBoost something they call the Compressor on some of their other boards?

"When playing along with other instruments, Sound Boost makes your performance stand out in the mix with clear tonal delivery."

I notice it ships with the FC4 foot switch pedal and not the FC3 sustain, although the FC3 is suggested as an accessory.

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#2214768 - 01/14/14 06:59 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Avn2l_BLWIQ

first video overview

seems nice...

but for the price i prefer the casio PX 5s, less expensive and for my use a better piano


How this be compared to the Kawai ES7 this new Yamaha? Seems to be the direct competence

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#2214772 - 01/14/14 07:17 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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The P255 appears to be a nice upgrade to the ageing P155, however I was expecting rather more.

The iOS app looks pretty cool though, and that product overview video is very slick.

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#2214813 - 01/14/14 08:31 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Comparing the P255 to PX-5S (which I have) the Yamaha is probably of higher quality, if I am to be realistic. It seems to have a more solid keybed and the Yamaha grand piano voices are among the best there are, in my opinion. The PX-5S may have a wider array of sounds and more gigging features, but the P255 has the most important ones, at least for home practising.

So for those willing to up their budget over the 1.000 euros or pounds, the P255 seems a very viable option. There may be Rolands and Kawais in the same price category, that are comparable and even better, but the Yamaha will probably not be a disappointment.
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#2214863 - 01/14/14 09:48 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Pianofeet]
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Originally Posted By: Pianofeet

owners manual pdf here:


Good catch. The link for the manual is:

http://download.yamaha.com/api/asset/file/?language=en&site=uk.yamaha.com&asset_id=61387

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#2214870 - 01/14/14 10:00 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
The P255 appears to be a nice upgrade to the ageing P155, however I was expecting rather more. The iOS app looks pretty cool though, and that product overview video is very slick.


I'm not sure what I was expecting - more for less money, probably! But considering the glacial pace of advancement in the digital piano market it's not a bad upgrade to the 5-year-old P155 design: double the polyphony, better sounds, rhythm tracks, turn off the speakers option, USB-to-Device, USB-to-Host, etc. And being able to change the parameters via an iOS device is a nice touch, since touch device integration is something we're likely to see more of in the DP world. If they'd just added pitch and mod wheels they'd have sold me immediately.

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#2214908 - 01/15/14 12:05 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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It appears to be almost no upgrade at all. But, as you say, advancement in pianos is VERY slow.

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#2214942 - 01/15/14 02:53 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Turnabout]
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Thanks for the "manual" link.

Perusing it, I see that the P255 supports adjustable "string resonance"! That's a significant upgrade over the P155 (and many other Yamaha digipianos, including the CP4 and CP40).

I await some reviews, when people outside the Yamaha organization have a chance to play it.

. Charles

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#2215014 - 01/15/14 07:56 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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I haven't seen people mention it, but for me the biggest new feature is the added faux ivory key tops. I had the opportunity to compare CLP-430 and CLP-440 a while ago, and I remember liking the later a lot more. I had to double-check both manuals to make sure they had the same action (GH3), because the difference was night and day...

This was the only thing stopping me from buying a P-155. Guess I have no choice now wink

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#2215057 - 01/15/14 09:21 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Regarding string resonance ... "I see that the P255 supports adjustable string resonance".

The only place string resonance exists in a Yamaha piano is on the spec sheet. You'll not notice it in the piano. Yamaha needs to catch up with the other makers ... and deliver ... before we get excited over their claims.

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#2215102 - 01/15/14 10:34 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Regarding string resonance ... "I see that the P255 supports adjustable string resonance".

The only place string resonance exists in a Yamaha piano is on the spec sheet. You'll not notice it in the piano. Yamaha needs to catch up with the other makers ... and deliver ... before we get excited over their claims.

I'm not a Yamaha shill but until you've tried a P255 yourself your post is just trolling.

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#2215123 - 01/15/14 11:09 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Not trolling at all.

pv88 recently bought Yamaha's last top-model: a used, 1998-vintage CLP990. Nothing Yamaha has produced since can match it. Every piano, even their high-end goods, is a downgrade from that peak.

Do you expect Yamaha to make improvements in its budget line P-series when they've not even done so in their high-end products?

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#2215165 - 01/15/14 12:06 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Mac, they make the DGX 650 with sympathetic resonance now which I can hear well enough. Does make a difference. You can also knock it out o` tune so it sounds like a real piano . . . . grin
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#2215355 - 01/15/14 06:16 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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So the following may be a bit discouraging. When I made this post I had emailed yamaha asking for information regarding this elusive p-255. I got a response from them just today basically detailing the differences between the p-255 and the p-155. The information is irrelvant now that the specs are available. But I replied asking for availability (because he said the p-255 is in stock, but I cant find it in the US) and price and the response I got was *drum roll*

Quote:

Q: When will it be available:

A: Now. Instock (this wasnt helpful)

List price is $ 1,999.00

Thank you,

JH


Edited by carkar (01/15/14 06:18 PM)
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#2215363 - 01/15/14 06:30 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Now if we knew what the list price for the P155 was...

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#2215366 - 01/15/14 06:33 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: gvfarns]
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$1,699

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#2215384 - 01/15/14 07:16 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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$1699 for a P155?!
Not long ago it was $1000, and was sometimes offered at $900.

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#2215385 - 01/15/14 07:18 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: MacMacMac]
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He was talking about list price or MSRP

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#2215441 - 01/15/14 09:25 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Originally Posted By: carkar
So the following may be a bit discouraging.


Not really. Your first two posts in this thread erroneously converted European prices into US values when prices have never been the same in the two markets (as I pointed out twice). This time you've simply repeated a list price when no reseller actually sells digital pianos at anything near list.



Edited by Turnabout (01/15/14 09:27 PM)

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#2215458 - 01/15/14 09:59 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Turnabout]
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Originally Posted By: Turnabout
This time you've simply repeated a list price when no reseller actually sells digital pianos at anything near list.


No need to get too down on him. It's not like it is useless info. If the P155 had a MSRP of $1699 and sold for $1000, then we can guess that the P255, which has a MSRP of $1999 will sell for maybe, what, $1200?


Edited by gvfarns (01/15/14 09:59 PM)

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#2215474 - 01/15/14 10:26 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Real-world pricing info is already available in Europe: online price is 100 pounds more than the P155 is currently selling for. So odds are that in the USA the P255 street price will be somewhere between $1000-$1200, probably higher to start, and loaded with the typical doodads at Kraft.

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#2215496 - 01/15/14 11:50 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Turnabout]
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Originally Posted By: Turnabout
Originally Posted By: carkar
So the following may be a bit discouraging.


Not really. Your first two posts in this thread erroneously converted European prices into US values when prices have never been the same in the two markets (as I pointed out twice). This time you've simply repeated a list price when no reseller actually sells digital pianos at anything near list.



You mad, bro?

Look, I'm concerned about the price...it's kinda of a big deal.so, when Yamaha tells me "hey man, we're listing this baby for $1999, no worries, it's affordable." I got a little nervous, so I posted the info here for the good people at piano world to help me ease my anxieties, which they did by helping me to understand that list price don't mean street price....a lot like the guy who I buy my "medicine" from. Then YOU come along, all rational and educated, and point out the flaws in my past..a lot like my ex girlfriend. The point is this: don't be an ex girlfriend...be a current awesome friend.

And thanks for the gif, it made me laugh....mainly because he looks like my "medicine" guy.
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#2215614 - 01/16/14 08:40 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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#2215619 - 01/16/14 08:52 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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I don't know what this P-255 will bring; the poor thing has been chewed up and spit out before anyone has tried it. I realize we do what we do.

But as P-155 owner, the P-255 has everything I am missing and looking for: 1) the new synthetic keys, 2) direct recording to USB, 3) AUX input, 4) USB to Host. So to me it is a plus, plus.
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#2215818 - 01/16/14 05:07 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Does the P-155 have anything that the P-255 doesn't? Like do the two keyboards specialize in different categories or is it a straight upgrade?

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#2215929 - 01/16/14 09:25 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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$1,300 at Kraft music.
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#2215953 - 01/16/14 10:56 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: surgtech]
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$1,300 at Kraft music.


that's a pretty hefty increase. it needs to be a big improvement to move its price up 30%
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#2215995 - 01/17/14 12:45 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: bfb]
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Originally Posted By: surgtech
$1,300 at Kraft music.


that's a pretty hefty increase. it needs to be a big improvement to move its price up 30%


Agreed. I told myself that I was gonna jump at the moment the P-255 was available in the states, but only if the price was the same as the P-155. Let's see what Casio has in store next week...
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#2216210 - 01/17/14 12:32 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Originally Posted By: carkar
but only if the price was the same as the P-155.


Gotta wait until it goes on sale. Black friday or something.

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#2216231 - 01/17/14 01:08 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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So I was pleasantly surprised to learn that the P155 is still made in Japan (considering the price). Just wondering now if Yamaha decided to move the manufacturing of the P255 to China or Indonesia, just like other low to medium range instruments.

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#2216461 - 01/17/14 11:15 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Delphian2001]
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Yes, would be cool if someone can check where is made. For the price, I would expect is made in Japan, like his predecessor P-155.
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#2216759 - 01/18/14 04:11 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: MacMacMac]
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Originally Posted By: MacMacMac
Not trolling at all.

pv88 recently bought Yamaha's last top-model: a used, 1998-vintage CLP990. Nothing Yamaha has produced since can match it. Every piano, even their high-end goods, is a downgrade from that peak.

Do you expect Yamaha to make improvements in its budget line P-series when they've not even done so in their high-end products?


Agreed, I too have owned a CLP990 since they made their debut and there is still nothing better by Yamaha. The latest Kawai's have a similar feel and are moving in the right direction with the wooden keybeds. I think my next digital might be one of the newer Kawai's being introduced this year.
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#2217127 - 01/19/14 01:04 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Daniel Richter]
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Originally Posted By: Daniel Richter
Yes, would be cool if someone can check where is made. For the price, I would expect is made in Japan, like his predecessor P-155.


I'm in Japan and there's no info about it here (yet), but then again people seemed to know about the CPs in the west before they were announced here as well. Maybe official announcement at NAMM?

I don't know if that answers the question on where they're made, though it would seem perhaps not in Japan...

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#2218231 - 01/21/14 02:07 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Kraft Music just posted a P255 demo they made in-house:

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#2218419 - 01/21/14 06:49 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Thanks Marko!

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#2218429 - 01/21/14 07:04 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Thanks Marko!

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Hi James. Sure, I like Yamaha very much - great stuff, but I LOVE Kawai. Nothing better IMO. We can't wait to see your new tricks! Catch you in a few days.

Marko
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#2218449 - 01/21/14 07:55 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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At this point, the P255 ticks all boxes of my requirements for a portable slab DP and I'm ready to pull the trigger to order. However, I will wait until NAMM is over. It would be interesting to see if Kawai or Roland announces any surprise interesting products in a few days.

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#2218452 - 01/21/14 07:57 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Well, the Kawai ES7 and Roland FP-80 are already available, and offer more than ample competition for the Yamaha P255. wink

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#2218461 - 01/21/14 08:22 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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You're right but those two are significantly more expensive than the P255.

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#2218466 - 01/21/14 08:35 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Ah, that's true.

The Yamaha P155 was always cheaper in the US than Europe, while the equivalent Kawai and Roland boards are a little more expensive.

Cheers,
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#2218474 - 01/21/14 08:50 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Delphian2001]
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Originally Posted By: Delphian2001
At this point, the P255 ticks all boxes of my requirements for a portable slab DP and I'm ready to pull the trigger to order. However, I will wait until NAMM is over. It would be interesting to see if Kawai or Roland announces any surprise interesting products in a few days.


I too am in the same boat. I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on the P-255 because of the price to feature ratio, however Kawai has a prowess in that department as well. Would really love to see an MP7 (with updated action and sound engine) come into fruition for the same or close to the same street price of the MP6 in a couple of days. I understand James's position so it looks like the wait continues until Thursday.
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#2218518 - 01/21/14 10:28 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Now, if Kawai announces an MP7 that is priced similar to MP6 then I may change my mind smile

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#2218529 - 01/21/14 10:55 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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I think waiting a week or so is a good idea for anyone looking at digital pianos. There will be new models and they may or may not change the DP landscape.

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#2218557 - 01/22/14 12:28 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Still gotta wait and see what Casio has in store.
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#2218566 - 01/22/14 12:40 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Originally Posted By: carkar
Still gotta wait and see what Casio has in store.


Given Mike's relative absence in recent months, I think it's safe to assume Casio are working on some very cool new models.

James
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#2218646 - 01/22/14 08:51 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Kawai James]
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Ah, that's true.

The Yamaha P155 was always cheaper in the US than Europe, while the equivalent Kawai and Roland boards are a little more expensive.

Cheers,
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Which Kawai board is equivalent to the P155?
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#2218653 - 01/22/14 09:02 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: scorpio]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Ah, that's true.

The Yamaha P155 was always cheaper in the US than Europe, while the equivalent Kawai and Roland boards are a little more expensive.

Cheers,
James
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Which Kawai board is equivalent to the P155?


The ES7, if i'm not wrong.
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#2218673 - 01/22/14 09:44 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Pedro_Henrique]
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The ES7, if i'm not wrong.
I assumed that too. But that didn't seem right. I have always thought/believed that the ES7 was a step above (not "equivalent") the P155. I was not sure if there was a different board.
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#2218676 - 01/22/14 10:01 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: scorpio]
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Originally Posted By: Pedro_Henrique
The ES7, if i'm not wrong.
I assumed that too. But that didn't seem right. I have always thought/believed that the ES7 was a step above (not "equivalent") the P155. I was not sure if there was a different board.


I would say based on most specs, sound, and action that the ES100 is closer to the P155. However, p155 has USB, output options, maybe better speakers. ES100=$799 and P155=$999. The ES7 is arguably a much better digital piano than the P155, hence additional $800 cost
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#2218735 - 01/22/14 11:50 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: scorpio]
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Originally Posted By: Pedro_Henrique
The ES7, if i'm not wrong.
I assumed that too. But that didn't seem right. I have always thought/believed that the ES7 was a step above (not "equivalent") the P155. I was not sure if there was a different board.


Actually, any Kaway DP will be better than any Yamaha DP, just because Kawai is not afraid of putting the best technology they can to each DP category. Yamaha is always the same old same old. But yes, I agree with you. I know that here in Brazil, P-155 is about R$2000 cheaper then ES7, but in some countries, it seems they have similar price range.
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#2219014 - 01/22/14 05:53 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Just watched the Kraft Music video and the P255 sounds alright, but lacks some life and power, doesn't cut through like some other pianos do. See the Kraft Music demo for Nord Stage 2 for comparison, although a considerably more expensive thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5rn01D8hlE
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#2219017 - 01/22/14 06:02 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Pedro_Henrique]
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"Actually, any Kaway DP will be better than any Yamaha DP, just because Kawai is not afraid of putting the best technology they can to each DP category."

That is if all other things are equal. Not everybody likes Kawai acoustics. Kawai only use their own acoustics in producing their digitals. Don`t they?
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#2219039 - 01/22/14 06:39 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: TheodorN]
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Originally Posted By: TheodorN
Just watched the Kraft Music video and the P255 sounds alright, but lacks some life and power, doesn't cut through like some other pianos do. See the Kraft Music demo for Nord Stage 2 for comparison, although a considerably more expensive thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5rn01D8hlE


Tough to know. How a piano sounds in the demo has more to do with the choices of the demo maker than with the quality of the piano. It's nearly impossible to compare pianos based on demos.

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#2219043 - 01/22/14 06:47 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: scorpio]
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Which Kawai board is equivalent to the P155?


Probably the ES6 is the closest comparison as it's from the same period, however even then the Kawai offered arguably superior sound and action quality.

The ES7 was a considerable step-up in quality and features over the ES6, whereas the new P255 seems a little underwhelming - perhaps P170 would have been a more suitable name? The iOS app looks quite nice though.

Cheers,
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#2219059 - 01/22/14 07:11 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: scorpio
Which Kawai board is equivalent to the P155?


Probably the ES6 is the closest comparison as it's from the same period, however even then the Kawai offered arguably superior sound and action quality.

The ES7 was a considerable step-up in quality and features over the ES6, whereas the new P255 seems a little underwhelming - perhaps P170 would have been a more suitable name? The iOS app looks quite nice though.

Cheers,
James
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The ES7 is $700 more than the p-255. With all due respect for Kawai, I don't think the comparison is reasonable at all. In fact, it makes the ES7 look bad, IMO. Think about it, what features does the ES7 have that makes it worth $700 more?
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#2219063 - 01/22/14 07:17 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Thomann.de (Europe) has the Kawai ES7 and Yamaha P255 at the same price, 1399 euros.

http://www.thomann.de/de/kawai_es_7_iw.htm

http://www.thomann.de/de/yamaha_p_255_b.htm

Edit: Almost the same price, depending on which country is selected.

http://www.thomann.de/gb/kawai_es_7_iw.htm

http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_p_255_b.htm


Edited by TheodorN (01/22/14 07:20 PM)
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#2219083 - 01/22/14 07:37 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: TheodorN]
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Thomann.de (Europe) has the Kawai ES7 and Yamaha P255 at the same price, 1399 euros.

http://www.thomann.de/de/kawai_es_7_iw.htm

http://www.thomann.de/de/yamaha_p_255_b.htm

Edit: Almost the same price, depending on which country is selected.

http://www.thomann.de/gb/kawai_es_7_iw.htm

http://www.thomann.de/gb/yamaha_p_255_b.htm


Im very aware of the price deviations (trust me, I used to want the ES7) but simply because it is cheaper somewhere else doesnt mean the additional $700 is just part of my insane imagination! So long as I live in this region, it makes sense to argue the point that the ES7 is not the bargain device, and, in fact, would be a foolish waste of money given the alternatives. That is, unless there really is something of value that warrants the $700 price difference.

Now, if I lived in japan...
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#2219090 - 01/22/14 07:56 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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If I lived in Europe (or Japan) I would own an ES7. Because I live in the US, I don't. I doubt I'm the only one who has made that judgment call.
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#2219092 - 01/22/14 07:56 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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I'm afraid I have to agree with carkar about Kawai pricing the ES7 out of the US market compared to Yamaha's competing offerings.

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#2219096 - 01/22/14 08:03 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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I still prefer the Yamaha sound.
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#2219104 - 01/22/14 08:16 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Prices in Europe (Thomann.de):

- Kawai ES7: €1390 ($1883)
- Yamaha P255: €1399 ($1895)
- Roland FP-80: €1698 ($2300)

Prices in North America (Kraft.com):

- Kawai ES7: $1999 (€1475)
- Yamaha P255: $1299 (€958)
- Roland FP-80: $1999 (€1475)

So what does this mean?

That the Kawai is under-priced in Europe and over-priced in the US?
That the Yamaha is under-priced in the US, but over-priced in Europe?
That the Roland is over-priced in Europe, but correctly-priced in the US?

Perhaps a combination of all three?

Unfortunately, the pricing structures for Kawai, Yamaha, and Roland instruments are not directly comparable from one market to the next. There are a number of factors that need to be taken into consideration, related to how the instruments are distributed in each country, and how the various sister companies are operated etc.

Kind regards,
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#2219121 - 01/22/14 08:49 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Sorry carkar, I wasn't questioning your sanity, sorry if it came out that way. I knew you were in the U.S., since you talked about dollars, and I was not suggesting you were making up that $700 price difference.

I was simply pointing this out as information for those who are in Europe, if they are in your shoes, deciding which piano to buy. Also drawing attention to the inconsistencies in pricing between the two continents.

That inconsistency is not all in favour of us in Europe. Here in Sweden, when I was doing my shopping, the P155 was priced at about 3000 SEK ($500) more than it's competitors, the Privias PX-850 and PX-5S, but those three go at roughly the same price in the U.S., if I'm not mistaken.

Therefore the P155 was out of the question for me, couldn't justify paying more for even less features, though I would be getting Yamaha quality.


Edited by TheodorN (01/22/14 08:53 PM)
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#2219169 - 01/22/14 10:19 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
So what does this mean?

That the Kawai is under-priced in Europe and over-priced in the US?
That the Yamaha is under-priced in the US, but over-priced in Europe?
That the Roland is over-priced in Europe, but correctly-priced in the US?


I think we can assume that none of these manufacturers are continuously selling products at below cost, so underpricing is out. That leaves overpricing and correct pricing.

It's reasonable to expect differences across countries, but competing products should be priced similarly within a given market. If not, the market is not working right (the manufacturers are not competing). Whether the discrepancies are the fault of dysfunctional distributors or strategic behavior by the manufacturers or something else doesn't really matter. It's worthy of complaint.

European price (includes a VAT, how big is it?) divided by American:

Kawai: 0.94197
Yamaha: 1.4434
Roland: 1.1506

Only Kawai thinks pianos (including VAT) should be cheaper in Europe than America. I'm not sure what import duties apply, but if we ignore those, these ratios should be close to 1 + VAT.


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#2219202 - 01/23/14 12:21 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Kawai James]
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Prices in Europe (Thomann.de):

- Kawai ES7: €1390 ($1883)
- Yamaha P255: €1399 ($1895)
- Roland FP-80: €1698 ($2300)

Prices in North America (Kraft.com):

- Kawai ES7: $1999 (€1475)
- Yamaha P255: $1299 (€958)
- Roland FP-80: $1999 (€1475)

So what does this mean?

That the Kawai is under-priced in Europe and over-priced in the US?
That the Yamaha is under-priced in the US, but over-priced in Europe?
That the Roland is over-priced in Europe, but correctly-priced in the US?

Perhaps a combination of all three?

Unfortunately, the pricing structures for Kawai, Yamaha, and Roland instruments are not directly comparable from one market to the next. There are a number of factors that need to be taken into consideration, related to how the instruments are distributed in each country, and how the various sister companies are operated etc.

Kind regards,
James
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There is, no doubt, a system/structure in place designed to maximize profit, but the rationality behind that system is irrelevant. Under, over, correct...it's all semantics, me thinks. The following reality exists: "$1299 p-255 vs $1999 ES7 within the U.S." The justification to why it is this way does not change this--> "$1299 p-255 vs $1999 ES7 within the U.S." Given the nature of things, when comparing these two devices for a potential future purchase we have to ask, "does the benefit of the ES7 out-weight the difference in cost". I think it's quite obvious...

MP7, on the other hand wink...
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#2219293 - 01/23/14 07:30 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: gvfarns]
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European price (includes a VAT, how big is it?)
Between 20 and 25% usually, but most countries have two rates, a standard and a reduced one. I'm pretty sure digital pianos fall into the standard (higher) rate. My home country, Iceland, has the dubious honor of holding the world record, highest VAT in the world, 25,5%, but Sweden has it at 25%.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax#VAT_rates
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#2220667 - 01/25/14 04:43 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: TheodorN]
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I was looking for a video that showed off the sound for the p-255, this is all there was:


Also, to hear a better sample of what the p-255 sounds like, it's best to download this iOS app and listen to the samples that are recorded.

https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/p-255-controller/id765341907?mt=8


Edited by carkar (01/25/14 04:56 PM)
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#2220693 - 01/25/14 05:45 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Just downloaded the IOS free app for the P255 from the App Store… and the sounds are quite impressive! Also, love the ability to run performance mic through the board and use it as a PA system. The IPad facility to control the board and it's functions is also quite impressive (see video in carkar's post). Looks as those there are several "hidden" features with this board!

Wonder how long before we see Kyle Landry make the switch? He's definitely the poster boy for the P-155!

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#2220755 - 01/25/14 08:20 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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I think my favorite is Ballad Grand. It has a very realistic sound IMO.
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#2220762 - 01/25/14 08:31 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: HisKidd]
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Just downloaded the IOS free app for the P255 from the App Store… and the sounds are quite impressive!

How did you download it? I get a "not available in US" message in iTunes - and a search of the App Store comes up with nothing found. Thanks!

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#2220763 - 01/25/14 08:37 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: pwl]
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#2220767 - 01/25/14 08:45 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: surgtech]
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#2220888 - 01/26/14 05:29 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: HisKidd]
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Wonder how long before we see Kyle Landry make the switch? He's definitely the poster boy for the P-155!

Play On!


This is the main reason I was going to pull the trigger for the P-155 but then Yamaha had to come out and release the P-255! Right there I said, stop! Wait for a discount on the P-255 and buy it.

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#2220987 - 01/26/14 02:23 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Hello,


I bought a Yamaha P-155 DP 5 days ago, for just 950 euro's with a Quicklok stand.
Now the P-255 is in stores... Is the P-255 really worth it?

Cheers, James

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#2220995 - 01/26/14 03:06 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: PianoJames]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPF03UK9Duc

Here's a new video that goes into depth on the different piano sounds. James that depends on what you want in a piano, you can look through yamaha's website for the new features and put the two keyboards side by side for a comparison. The p 155 is great for its price range so if the new features don't interest you then you can of course stay with the p 155

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#2221033 - 01/26/14 06:25 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: fergetcom]
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Originally Posted By: fergetcom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPF03UK9Duc

Here's a new video that goes into depth on the different piano sounds. James that depends on what you want in a piano, you can look through yamaha's website for the new features and put the two keyboards side by side for a comparison. The p 155 is great for its price range so if the new features don't interest you then you can of course stay with the p 155


That piano sounds solid.
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#2221046 - 01/26/14 06:36 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Yes it does. I bet for pure piano the P255 will work very reliably and it seems they put some rather usable sound variations of the AP sound in it, and a better EQ. Very welcome.

However I still hear some of the static decay holding back Yamaha's digital piano sound (whenever I'm practicing on the P155 it begins to bother me after the first few minutes). And they should have updated the action to a 3-sensor version.

Of the rest, the harpsichord may be usable, most of the others are too limited in my opinion (but then I'm spoiled by my Nord).

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#2221229 - 01/27/14 01:59 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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I just bought the Yamaha P255 last Saterday as the replacement of my P140. I am totally into classical music, and I love the P255. The touch and feel are really great as well as the sound especally the Grand Piano. The imi ivory keys give grip like a real grand piano.
There is even a resonance of the strings: keep pressed a C major chord in the low hand without sound and hit a C major shortly in the mid range, and you hear the resonance.

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#2221377 - 01/27/14 11:05 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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#2221456 - 01/27/14 01:06 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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That guy in the video above knows how to demo!
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#2221549 - 01/27/14 04:28 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: brooster]
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He doesn't know what the word 'unprecedented' means though. :0/ Perhaps it is for that range, but 256 polyphony is hardly an industry first.

I hate it when people go over the top about announcing things when they could explain it without all the drama and pomp; if anything, it's likely to make me walk away. Perhaps that's how things are just done in the states, but it sounds too false to me.

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#2221564 - 01/27/14 05:01 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: PianoJames]
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Originally Posted By: PianoJames
Hello,


I bought a Yamaha P-155 DP 5 days ago, for just 950 euro's with a Quicklok stand.
Now the P-255 is in stores... Is the P-255 really worth it?

Cheers, James

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#2221571 - 01/27/14 05:10 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: blackspaven]
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Originally Posted By: blackspaven
He doesn't know what the word 'unprecedented' means though. :0/ Perhaps it is for that range, but 256 polyphony is hardly an industry first.

Yeah... even if he meant unprecedented in its price range, they were beat by the PX-5S.

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#2221582 - 01/27/14 05:43 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: blackspaven
He doesn't know what the word 'unprecedented' means though. :0/ Perhaps it is for that range, but 256 polyphony is hardly an industry first.

Yeah... even if he meant unprecedented in its price range, they were beat by the PX-5S.


Yeah.

He didn't. lol

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#2221585 - 01/27/14 05:49 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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I guess he means it's unprecedented for Yamaha. Come to think of it, has Yamaha before offered anything with 256 polyphony, at any price?

edit: the avant grande has it. But I don't think any of their portable boards have ever had it before.


Edited by anotherscott (01/27/14 05:51 PM)

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#2221590 - 01/27/14 05:56 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: anotherscott]
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Yeah, I checked before I wrote it, just in case that would be a get out, and there's been quite a few which have had it, so it's nothing new there, but perhaps not portable.

I think the term 'clutching straws' would be applicable if he tried explained himself as anything other than over exhuberance. smile

Anyway, back to the story...

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#2221610 - 01/27/14 06:24 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Unprecedented polyphony bothers me less than "this action feels exactly like the action of an acoustic grand" or "this string-resonance feature exactly replicates all the rich resonances of an acoustic grand". And then higher priced model feels exactlier like an acoustic grand or what?
Not related to this particular video, just ranting.

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#2225286 - 02/03/14 04:19 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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I know that this doesn't mean any thing for some people here but it's sort a important to me. I just got my new P255 and am very glad to report that it's "Made in Japan".

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#2225291 - 02/03/14 04:46 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Hookxs]
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Originally Posted By: Hookxs
Unprecedented polyphony bothers me less than "this action feels exactly like the action of an acoustic grand" or "this string-resonance feature exactly replicates all the rich resonances of an acoustic grand". And then higher priced model feels exactlier like an acoustic grand or what?


Don't be disappointed when I tell you that not even the top tier flagship models like the Yamaha CLP-480 or Roland V-Piano (both of which I own) have features that rival acoustic pianos - they do not.

The V-Piano comes closer to the string and damper resonances of an acoustic piano and has good decay although all of the other digitals I have played do not compare and fall short.

Even the AvantGrand N3 has its shortcomings with the quality of the piano sounds and resonance although the action has been taken from a small acoustic Yamaha grand.

All digital pianos require compromise of some sort as they simply cannot compare to the real thing.

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#2225360 - 02/03/14 07:19 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By: pv88
All digital pianos require compromise of some sort as they simply cannot compare to the real thing.


Richard, have you considered purchasing an acoustic piano?

James
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#2225560 - 02/04/14 02:11 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: pv88
All digital pianos require compromise of some sort as they simply cannot compare to the real thing.


Richard, have you considered purchasing an acoustic piano?

James
x


I would have to say the pv88 is absolutely correct. However, DP do not have to be exactly like the real thing. In fact, if a DP is exactly like the real thing, meaning have fixed volumes with no headphone options, a single piano voice, require tuning by expensive techs, I would think nobody would buy a DP. The point of a DP is that it is very different.
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#2225567 - 02/04/14 02:54 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Richard, have you considered purchasing an acoustic piano?

James
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James,

It is something I have thought about from time to time however due to lack of space in my current place I doubt I would commit to getting one - as I would certainly opt for a nice sized grand as they are not inexpensive and take up lots of room and require plenty of of maintenance and tunings.

I always prefer to keep at least one digital (i.e., the CLP-480) as it has the acoustic guitar presets along with orchestral strings, electric pianos, and other sounds which I make use of and/or layer to the primary piano preset.

As for now an AP is not a likely consideration.

Extra note:

I would also be very reluctant to sell or trade in my CLP-990M which was a difficult item to locate and required long distance shipping to obtain. Have become rather fond of this piano with its excellent action (as it has the heaviest feel compared to my other digitals) and the main piano sound is quite realistic with decent reverb effects and powerful speaker projection.

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#2225712 - 02/04/14 10:55 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: blackspaven]
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Originally Posted By: blackspaven
He doesn't know what the word 'unprecedented' means though.

Heck, when it comes to DPs I'm not sure what "polyphony" means.
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#2225714 - 02/04/14 11:01 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: dewster]
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Originally Posted By: dewster

Heck, when it comes to DPs I'm not sure what "polyphony" means.


In an essay for school, c1975, I once wrote, 'Composers in the early Romantic era were particularly drawn to piano composition because the piano is a polyphonic instrument, which gave the performer complete control over the work.'

Mrs Pilling put a red line right through it saying WRONG USE OF THE WORD POLYPHONIC.

....and we're still kind of confused.
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#2226870 - 02/06/14 10:08 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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I'll be interested to check this out, as I'm still on the fence re the CP stage pianos. Some of these features would be quite cool for me, for scratchpad songwriting, and nice to have built-in speakers and gee, string resonance at that!

Made in Japan, maybe, but not released over here yet, finally found some info on Yamaha's site - to be released in Japan in March. Curious to see the pricing.

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#2226883 - 02/06/14 10:41 AM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: toddy]
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Originally Posted By: toddy

Mrs Pilling put a red line right through it saying WRONG USE OF THE WORD POLYPHONIC.

....and we're still kind of confused.


LOL laugh


Edited by Paolo70 (02/06/14 10:50 AM)
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#2230469 - 02/12/14 03:50 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: carkar]
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Been using the P-250 for years at home fro practice, but way too heavy to take to a gig, though I would love too...

What's the weight of the P-255?
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#2230472 - 02/12/14 03:54 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: keychain]
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Originally Posted By: keychain
Been using the P-250 for years at home fro practice, but way too heavy to take to a gig, though I would love too...

What's the weight of the P-255?

http://usa.yamaha.com/products/musical-i...255/?mode=model
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#2230476 - 02/12/14 04:04 PM Re: NEW Yamaha p-255? [Re: keychain]
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Originally Posted By: keychain
Been using the P-250 for years at home fro practice, but way too heavy to take to a gig, though I would love too...

What's the weight of the P-255?


Keychain, Shout out for a fellow P-250 user! Mine is like 12+ years old and still going strong, they built those things like tanks didn't they?

Anyway, The New P-255 is considerably lighter at 38 lbs.
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