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#2211186 - 01/08/14 10:43 PM Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music
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Hi all, this is for a student who loves movie music especially John Williams. He will obediently tolerate classical. He is an intermediate player having recently completed Schumann/Knight Rupert, the non-simplified arrangement of Williams/Hedwig's Theme, and one of the Anna Magdalena Bach minuets (Suzuki students get these late and learn to play both voices as beautiful melodies, not just typed out as notes.)

I want to help him connect the dots between classical and movie music and would love help brainstorming. I am looking for inspiring pieces equal to or easier than Knight Rupert that are by excellent classical composers of the era that most directly inspired movie music. Debussy, Stravinsky, Vaughan Williams, Rachmaninoff etc. I already have a bunch of orchestral works for him to listen to but I want to find things he can play as well. Original piano pieces please, no arrangements or simplifications.
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#2211188 - 01/08/14 10:46 PM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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Originally Posted By: hreichgott
I am looking for inspiring pieces equal to or easier than Knight Rupert that are by excellent classical composers of the era that most directly inspired movie music. Debussy, Stravinsky, Vaughan Williams, Rachmaninoff etc.

What did Rachmaninoff write that's easier than that Schumann piece?
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#2211267 - 01/09/14 03:28 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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Try the Nino Rota preludes. Here's one of the more accessible ones:

http://youtu.be/L7wOW8EUbMA
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#2211333 - 01/09/14 08:09 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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Nino Rota, what a great idea AZNpiano. I see he has some other little piano pieces like waltzes, bagatelles and a "for children" collection. Will investigate.
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#2211356 - 01/09/14 08:55 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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I see my post from last night didn't make it. How about Yoshinao Nakada? He has some very accessible music. I recommend Song of Twilight.
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#2211387 - 01/09/14 10:12 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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If he really likes John Williams, is there some Stravinsky that he could play? I've always felt that Williams was highly influenced by Stravinsky. Listen to the Firebird Suite and the soundtrack from Hook, for instance.
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#2211388 - 01/09/14 10:13 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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If he really likes John Williams, is there some Stravinsky that he could play? I've always felt that Williams was highly influenced by Stravinsky. Listen to the Firebird Suite and the soundtrack from Hook, for instance.
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#2211422 - 01/09/14 11:11 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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Steve posted twice to make up for your post last night that didn't make it, Morodiene.
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#2211552 - 01/09/14 02:48 PM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Steve posted twice to make up for your post last night that didn't make it, Morodiene.
LOL. How kind of him. smile
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#2211618 - 01/09/14 03:59 PM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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This was my favourite piano music when I first started piano at 10 (I knew no other piano music then....). My poor piano teacher was never allowed to leave our home without having played it at least once grin :
http://youtu.be/zOBJhG72Riw

There's also Michael Nyman's music for The Piano, though it might be too difficult for your student: http://youtu.be/ZOMD8WRkZYk

And Nino Rota's music for The Godfather is also available in piano versions (there's a CD of it played by Massimo Palumbo).

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#2211968 - 01/10/14 04:13 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
How about Yoshinao Nakada? He has some very accessible music. I recommend Song of Twilight.

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#2212030 - 01/10/14 08:49 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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I have a couple early-intermediate Stravinsky pieces, like the Larghetto from Easy Pieces on Five Notes, which is pretty but a little.... tame smile Any other Stravinsky suggestions?

I appreciate the suggestions of additional movie music, but this student's family also knows movie music pretty well and keeps him well supplied with it. I'm more looking for classical pieces. Classical pieces by composers who did both are fine.

Thanks for the Nakada recommendation -- it looks like he has a very nice collection of pieces for children, which I will be ordering!
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#2212045 - 01/10/14 09:26 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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Originally Posted By: hreichgott
I have a couple early-intermediate Stravinsky pieces, like the Larghetto from Easy Pieces on Five Notes, which is pretty but a little.... tame smile Any other Stravinsky suggestions?



There's Piano Rag Music, but it isn't that easy.

Have you looked at Bartók's Mikrokosmos? There're some gems there, like 'Merry Andrew' which I recall playing for Grade 5 ABRSM. And some of Prokofiev's Visions fugitives aren't too difficult. (Prokofiev wrote the music for the movie Alexander Nevsky).

There's also the piano version of Howard Blake's "Walking in the Air" from the animated film The Snowman.

Among British composers, there's Elgar's Nimrod (in his own transcription - there's also Grainger's, which is actually easier) and Peter Maxwell Davies's "Farewell to Stromness":
http://youtu.be/3ek11B_3klM

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#2213594 - 01/12/14 07:23 PM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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Ooo yeah, Walking in the Air! And the animated film is available on youtube so you could send him the link for motivation/inspiration. Nice one.

"Morning" by Grieg? That's used in tv/movies a lot.

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#2213803 - 01/13/14 03:32 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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The principal originators of American film music were Enrich Wolfgang Korngold and Max Steiner - both from the Vienese operetta tradition - basically Wagner inspired.

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#2213873 - 01/13/14 09:05 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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Actually, lots of great music in anime these days, and not all of it is super-difficult, and I believe you can download the sheet music for free in many cases.

Some ideas:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhVXQd8cKT4

Sheet music:

http://ichigos.com/
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#2214268 - 01/14/14 12:18 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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Thanks for the great suggestions everyone.
Anything specific by Korngold for piano at this level? I'd love to get my hands on some.
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Sounding the depths of small pieces: Beethoven Op. 33
Daily attempts at 16th notes: Chopin Op. 10 no. 4, Pischna
Totally loving Fauré/Barcarolles and Ravel/Tombeau de Couperin
I love Mozart, Haydn, Beethoven and new music

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#2214476 - 01/14/14 10:13 AM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Thanks for the great suggestions everyone.
Anything specific by Korngold for piano at this level? I'd love to get my hands on some.

There isn't much by Korngold that's suitable (easy enough) for this level.

Probably Four Little Caricatures for Children, Op.19 (Schönberg, Stravinsky, Bartók and Hindemith), and maybe one or two of the Märchenbilder, Op.3, and the Four Waltzes for Piano.

Or you could try making a simplified transcription of this lovely melody: grin
http://youtu.be/NXDuBKvQ8-U


Edited by bennevis (01/14/14 10:19 AM)
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#2214737 - 01/14/14 05:42 PM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Thanks for the great suggestions everyone.
Anything specific by Korngold for piano at this level? I'd love to get my hands on some.

There isn't much by Korngold that's suitable (easy enough) for this level.

Probably Four Little Caricatures for Children, Op.19 (Schönberg, Stravinsky, Bartók and Hindemith), and maybe one or two of the Märchenbilder, Op.3, and the Four Waltzes for Piano.

Or you could try making a simplified transcription of this lovely melody: grin
http://youtu.be/NXDuBKvQ8-U

http://www.osbornmusic.com grin
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#2214868 - 01/14/14 09:58 PM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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Aram Khatchaturian wrote some film music. His Adventures of Ivan are absolutely wonderful. One of my favorite pieces to teach; students love it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeVaKkSb5zE
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#2214878 - 01/14/14 10:11 PM Re: Help me brainstorm some predecessors to movie music [Re: hreichgott]
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Shostakovich wrote for both film and television. (Did you know he was nominated for an Oscar?) He also wrote an enormous amount of wonderful pedagogical material for the young pianist.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMlx9nkIRY8


Edited by DameMyra (01/14/14 10:12 PM)
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