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#2212853 - 01/11/14 01:39 PM Rzewski's Hammerklavier - with improvised cadenzas & more
Dwscamel Offline
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Here is an undoubtedly unique take on this classic piece:



The at-times wide departures from the score are a little jarring at first, but quickly interesting.

Rzewski's cadenzas are pretty creative additions as well - the one at the end of the third movement fits especially nicely.

What do you think of his style of playing? Of his particular interpretation of the Hammerklavier? Is the score sacred?
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#2212908 - 01/11/14 03:10 PM Re: Rzewski's Hammerklavier - with improvised cadenzas & more [Re: Dwscamel]
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Although I guess(using that word because I don't feel very qualified to comment on his compositions) Rzewski is a very great composer(and I like his compositions that I'm familiar with) and terrific pianist, I do not understand what he does even in the first few minutes of the first movement. I'm talking about all the sudden unwritten ritards or extreme rubato which I don't normally think of as appropriate for playing music from the classical era.

Perhaps someone can offer some explanation or justification?


Edited by pianoloverus (01/11/14 03:11 PM)

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#2212920 - 01/11/14 03:44 PM Re: Rzewski's Hammerklavier - with improvised cadenzas & more [Re: pianoloverus]
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Originally Posted By: pianoloverus
Perhaps someone can offer some explanation or justification?

I don't think so, because none exists. Rzewski's performance of this piece is absolutely unacceptable. You've summed up some of the reasons for this pretty well.
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#2212940 - 01/11/14 04:13 PM Re: Rzewski's Hammerklavier - with improvised cadenzas & more [Re: Dwscamel]
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I haven't listened to the whole thing yet but I found the first movement very interesting. I have to hand it to Rzewski though, he kept his ornamentations, which I don't recall anybody else doing and his cadenzas stayed at least in the correct few decades stylistically. (though the first movement cad. got a little Schubertian, and then maybe a bit Brahmsian, but at least didn't try to make a 20th - 21st century cadenza fit into an early 19th century piece.

I found his overall treatment full of refreshing freedom.

Thanks for sharing.
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#2213020 - 01/11/14 06:07 PM Re: Rzewski's Hammerklavier - with improvised cadenzas & more [Re: Dwscamel]
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In case you want to look back at what people used to think of it....

old thread

(I suspect it's also what we still think.) grin

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#2213097 - 01/11/14 09:13 PM Re: Rzewski's Hammerklavier - with improvised cadenzas & more [Re: Dwscamel]
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Is this the Rzewski recording where he was just goofing around in the studio between takes of another project and decided to see how much he could remember of some Beethoven sonatas without the score? I know that exists, don't know if these are the recordings.
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