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#2213671 - 01/12/14 09:48 PM Digital Piano recommendation
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hi guys,

I want to get a new Digital Piano.
I played a DP for years. then a few years ago, I got an acoustic piano.
my Yamaha DGX-505 has been gathering dust ever since. now, my acoustic piano is in need of repair.
so, I played the Yamaha DGX-505 Digital Piano. I super loved it.
I am now extremely interested in getting a newer DP.
I have done some research.
and now I am coming here to ask please for advice from y'all.
here are some details:
I am an amateur. I play for fun.
I want a slab type DP. I want newer (keen to discover what progress has been made in these instruments....my Yamaha is 10 years old).
would like to stay under $2000.
I want weighted 88 full size keys (my Yamaha has 88 unweighted keys. and they are smaller than full size keys. I repeat, I want full size keys).
and I want a DP that has sympathetic resonance and a sustain pedal that is variable. (my Yamaha, just has an on/off switch for sustain. I do not like that.)
and I definitely want automatic accompaniment.
thank you for any thoughts.



Edited by minstrelman (01/12/14 09:50 PM)

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#2213676 - 01/12/14 09:53 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
Morodiene Offline
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Maybe try out the Yamaha CP4. It is a bit over your budget, but worth it, and I think it meets all your criteria - although I'm not sure about sympathetic resonance. Try it out and see if you like it!
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#2213685 - 01/12/14 10:00 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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Kawai ES7 or Roland FP-80 should tick all of your boxes.

Cheers,
James
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#2213691 - 01/12/14 10:11 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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The CP4 has soundboard resonance but not string resonance. But you should give it, or the CP40, a try. You would need speakers for either, though.

Have you tried the DGX-650? It doesn't meet all your specs, but it has the ensemble features you want, which the CP series does not have.

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#2213695 - 01/12/14 10:17 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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The Kawai ES7 would be my choice.

Actually, it was my choice.

Very pleased.
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#2213706 - 01/12/14 10:44 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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wow!! that was fast.
thank you so much to all who replied.
I have been an acoustic piano lover since I was young. went without, and had to be satisfied with DP's for years.
got my acoustic piano a few years ago. and really left my DP's alone.
forced back to DP now because of acoustic piano troubles.
hugely surprised at how much I love playing my DP.
I played for hours. I had to force myself to stop. it was blissful. super blissful.
am so psyched to check out the advances that must have happened in the 10 years since my Yamaha DGX-505 was released.
am expecting wonders.
will check out all of these recommendations.
edit: update after reading for a bit.
Kawai ES7 is looking/sounds crazy cool. far and away the front runner right now.


Edited by minstrelman (01/12/14 11:25 PM)

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#2213804 - 01/13/14 03:36 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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You must know what you want. If you`ve had and really liked the dgx 505, you`ll love the 650. It has sympathetic resonance and supports a triple pedal. Action`s not the best, but it`s light and does the job. Recording is so easy . . .and the piano . . . not heard anything to beat it. That`s why I got mine. Love it!
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#2213850 - 01/13/14 08:13 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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that is awesome.
and I do super love my Yamaha DGX-505. I loved my Yamaha PF 88. that was my DP, main axe for many years. (long ago now.)
as for now, I do know what I want.
and I definitely do want a DP that has sustain half pedal functionality.
I have never had a DP that will do that.

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#2213922 - 01/13/14 10:37 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
minstrelman Offline
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hey guys,
any comments regarding the Kawai CA 65??
like, is it worth the extra money??

not pleased to see there is no pitch wheel on either Kawai.


Edited by minstrelman (01/13/14 11:01 AM)

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#2213934 - 01/13/14 11:04 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
Morodiene Offline
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Originally Posted By: minstrelman
hey guys,
any comments regarding the Kawai CA 65??
like, is it worth the extra money??

not pleased to see there is no pitch wheel on either Kawai.
Yes. definitely, if you are looking for a piano that is close to an acoustic in sound and feel. Most digital pianos don't have a pitch bend wheel. That's a synth thing.
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#2213935 - 01/13/14 11:09 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: Morodiene]
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thank you so much.
gotcha on the pitch wheel thing.

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#2213945 - 01/13/14 11:34 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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"and I definitely do want a DP that has sustain half pedal functionality.
I have never had a DP that will do that."

Well, a decent pedal will feel better than the standard Yamaha on off switch. Even if it is only an on off switch in disguise. I have half pedaling, and don`t consider things to have changed . . .but the triple board looks good.
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#2213949 - 01/13/14 11:38 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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Originally Posted By: minstrelman
hey guys,
any comments regarding the Kawai CA 65??
like, is it worth the extra money??

not pleased to see there is no pitch wheel on either Kawai.


I think only the stage pianos have them like the Yamaha CP4 and Cp40, Kawai Mp6 and Mp10, Casio PX5S etc. Those ones need external speakers though.

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#2213953 - 01/13/14 11:52 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
. . . Most digital pianos don't have a pitch bend wheel. That's a synth thing.


The PX-350 (and I think the PX-150) _does_ have a pitch-bend wheel. No "Modulation" wheel, though! I remember that the RD-700NX has both wheels, or a joystick that handles both functions.

. Charles

PS -- I have just gone over to the "dark side", and bought a post-Christmas-sale Korg microKorg XL+. It has both "pitch bend" and "modulation" wheels. But they've been programmed (in the standard patches) to do things _other than_ "pitch bend" and "modulation". It's strange to have the _whole tone quality_ of a patch change when you touch one of them.

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#2213956 - 01/13/14 11:55 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: peterws]
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I thought that the Yamaha 650 does not have half pedaling.


the pedal that I got with my Yamaha PF88, 25 years ago is a fine pedal. of course no half pedal on that.

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#2213959 - 01/13/14 11:58 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: Charles Cohen]
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Originally Posted By: Charles Cohen
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
. . . Most digital pianos don't have a pitch bend wheel. That's a synth thing.


The PX-350 (and I think the PX-150) _does_ have a pitch-bend wheel. No "Modulation" wheel, though! I remember that the RD-700NX has both wheels, or a joystick that handles both functions.

. Charles

PS -- I have just gone over to the "dark side", and bought a post-Christmas-sale Korg microKorg XL+. It has both "pitch bend" and "modulation" wheels. But they've been programmed (in the standard patches) to do things _other than_ "pitch bend" and "modulation". It's strange to have the _whole tone quality_ of a patch change when you touch one of them.



thank you very much Charles.

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#2214202 - 01/13/14 09:42 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: Charles Cohen]
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Originally Posted By: Charles Cohen
I have just gone over to the "dark side", and bought a post-Christmas-sale Korg microKorg XL+.

Charles -
What kind of fun stuff are you gonna do with the Korg?

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#2214232 - 01/13/14 10:30 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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Kawai CA 65 does not have automatic accompaniment.
thus I am now focusing on the ES 7.
have fun with your Korg Charles.

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#2214305 - 01/14/14 02:06 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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Originally Posted By: minstrelman
I thought that the Yamaha 650 does not have half pedaling.
the pedal that I got with my Yamaha PF88, 25 years ago is a fine pedal. of course no half pedal on that.


As long as you buy the triple prdalboard, you`ll get half pedaling with the DGX 630 onwards. I have this board on my 650. Costs around 55.
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#2214348 - 01/14/14 06:31 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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oh wow. that is so excellent. I will have to read more about the DGX 650 then. thank you.

ok. read a bit. my DGX 505's are small. they are are not full size piano keys. they are shorter and narrower. can you or anyone, please tell me if its the same deal on the DGX 650?



Edited by minstrelman (01/14/14 06:49 AM)

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#2214612 - 01/14/14 02:11 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: pwl]
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Originally Posted By: pwl
Originally Posted By: Charles Cohen
I have just gone over to the "dark side", and bought a post-Christmas-sale Korg microKorg XL+.

Charles -
What kind of fun stuff are you gonna do with the Korg?


I play (mostly hand-drums) and sing with a chant group. I am going to try (a) some "ambient music", and (b) pretend the Korg is really a harmonium, and (c) a set of gentle tuned bells. It may also fill-in for a bass player, if we can't get one. I'm still exploring the built-in patches; there's a whole lot of music hiding inside the tiny box.

I'm at the other end of the spectrum from "heavy metal" -- it's more like "light feathers".

. Charles

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#2214872 - 01/14/14 10:00 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: Charles Cohen]
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Originally Posted By: Charles Cohen
I'm at the other end of the spectrum from "heavy metal" -- it's more like "light feathers".

"Light feathers" - I love it!

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#2214898 - 01/14/14 11:12 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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Originally Posted By: minstrelman
oh wow. that is so excellent. I will have to read more about the DGX 650 then. thank you.

ok. read a bit. my DGX 505's are small. they are are not full size piano keys. they are shorter and narrower. can you or anyone, please tell me if its the same deal on the DGX 650?



You'd better find one to measure, as that kind of detail usually doesn't get published in the specs. My guess is that they're a little shorter in the whole DGX line.

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#2214987 - 01/15/14 06:12 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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gotcha. thank you very much.

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#2215012 - 01/15/14 07:46 AM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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Originally Posted By: minstrelman
oh wow. that is so excellent. I will have to read more about the DGX 650 then. thank you.

ok. read a bit. my DGX 505's are small. they are are not full size piano keys. they are shorter and narrower. can you or anyone, please tell me if its the same deal on the DGX 650?



I wouldn`t have bought the DEGX 620, 630 OR 650 if the keyboard was short; My fingers aren`t short.
Rumour has it, the visible key length is longer than a Steinway . . .
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#2215350 - 01/15/14 06:06 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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wow cool. gotcha. thank you very much.
just measured. my yamaha DGX-505 white keys are:
~5 5/8" x 13/16".

my acoustic piano (Knabe WKV121):
6" x 7/8".

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#2215357 - 01/15/14 06:19 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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hey guys,
still thinking about getting a Kawai ES7. waiting for another price.
I saw another thread, where another member was talking and provided recordings of himself, playing an ES7 and using sampling software called True Keys.
I'm not even a classical music guy, but I loved it.
anyway, I am writing again to ask please, for anyone's thoughts regarding if they think the ES7 is fine and wonderful all by itself.
and then what about this deal with using it with True American sampling software program?
how hard is it to jump through all the hoops that would be required to make the ES7 and the True American program play nice together?


Edited by minstrelman (01/16/14 07:33 PM)

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#2215428 - 01/15/14 08:59 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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FWIW, the white keys on my DGX640 (NOT 650) are 5-7/8" x 7/8-15/16".
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#2215431 - 01/15/14 09:02 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: minstrelman]
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Originally Posted By: minstrelman
what about this deal with using it with True American sampling software program?
how hard is it to jump through all the hoops that would be required to make the ES7 and the True American program play nice together?


I think that if you end up with the ES7 you will be so pleased with the internal sound of it that delving into the world of software piano sounds will not present itself as necessary.

However, I use software sounds periodically as I had them prior to purchasing my ES7. I also have a pair of fairly high end powered monitors to run those sounds through. I have recently found that I like the software sounds piped back through the ES7 speakers instead of out through the monitors.

So, if you want to fool with software sounds, I think you may be very happy with those sounds coming right back through the ES7 and if so, that will save you a ton of money for external speakers.
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#2215445 - 01/15/14 09:34 PM Re: Digital Piano recommendation [Re: dmd]
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thank you for measuring Newbert.

dmd, thank you so much. I'll bet your Focals are fantastic as well. awesome reply.
could you please comment for me about the automatic accompaniment?
the automatic accompaniment on my Yamaha DGX-505 is good. wondering how the ES7 would compare to it.

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