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#2213921 - 01/13/14 10:34 AM Year One - Objectives
Randalthor Offline
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Registered: 04/22/13
Posts: 33
Loc: UK
Hi,
What do you guys think should be learnt to a reasonable level in the first year, for a current beginner. What would be a realistic goal for the first year of learning to play the keyboard?
Would the following be a good goal? (in no particular order)

Year One
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1. The Staff and Notes
2. Clefs
3. Accidentals
4. Time Names of Notes
5. Time Names of Rests
6. Dotted Notes
7. Beaming Notes
8. Tied Notes
9. Time Signatures
10. Tones & Semitones
11. Major Scales
12. Key Signatures
13. Intervals
14. Tonic Triads
15. Rhythm
16. Dynamics
17. Symbols
18. Foreign Terms
19. Handwriting Music
20. Grade 1 - Practice Exams
20.5 Increase Repertoire
21. Know a grade 1 piece off-by-heart
22. Good posture, handposition etc
23. Phrasing

Thanks,


Edited by Randalthor (01/13/14 04:13 PM)

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#2213924 - 01/13/14 10:39 AM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
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Follow a method book and/or a teacher. No point in creating a huge list of minutia and failing because you didn't hit one or two.

Nowhere in your list did you consider things I would list as essential: Have fun; learn about the body and tension; submit a piece to an ABF recital wink
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#2213925 - 01/13/14 10:39 AM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
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The last two are way to easy.
Mastering dynamics on the other hand will cost you a lifetime.
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#2213930 - 01/13/14 10:49 AM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
Randalthor Offline
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Registered: 04/22/13
Posts: 33
Loc: UK
Hi Andy, wimp..
I find if I have a list and tick it off, it gives me personally a good indicator of what I know. Kinda of a self-validation mechanism.

Other than having fun, any ideas?

Thanks.

[edit] I use a list as I am teaching myself, and want to cover these things.


Edited by Randalthor (01/13/14 10:50 AM)

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#2214001 - 01/13/14 02:00 PM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
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Add phrasing! Should begin the minute you start playing two or more notes in a row. This is where artistry develops.

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#2214011 - 01/13/14 02:26 PM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
Randalthor Offline
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Thanks Joyce, Should i add ear training? or is that something that comes as you learn all the other aspects?
Rand...

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#2214035 - 01/13/14 03:45 PM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
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Your aim is sound in being prepared for the year ahead and having achievable goals. Instead of learning all the major scales though perhaps only a few will be required and at the same time the associated minor scales should be learned.

The first year (as I have not long finished) is so jam packed full of new theory, scales, drills etc, it becomes easy to concentrate too much on those things. AS the saying goes "all work and no play......", so learn as much repertoire as you can as this will give you confidence boost, and will make you happier.
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#2214052 - 01/13/14 04:12 PM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
wimpiano Offline
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Loc: The Netherlands
@Randalthor, thanks for calling me a wimp? Is the lack of social skills the reason you're not having a teacher? Can't stand well meant comments (I wouldn't even call it critique)?

Whatever, let's forget it.

If you want to measure stuff, why not do the exam? Grade 1 is as I mentioned not a very tough goal. For example my piano teacher makes me do the listed scales with both hands together whereas the Grade 1 only asks for independent (and I'm not even close to playing a year and I'm definitely not an exceptional good player). Also the pieces are all relatively easy.
The list might help you if you're a lists person, personally I think your list is quite random and "reasonable" is nothing you can aim for. In other words, it's not SMART.


Edited by wimpiano (01/13/14 04:14 PM)
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#2214056 - 01/13/14 04:20 PM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
Randalthor Offline
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wimpiano - apologies if i offended. Not intentional.

With regards to the exam, i thought the grade 1 was a benchmark to show that you know the basics, perhaps i'm wrong? I have been looking for a syllabus, to point me to what is required.

So is grade 1 just scales and left or right hand, but not necessarily both at same time?

Im afraid you've lost me in the last comment, are you saying it is not smart to cover as many topics as i can in my first year? My thinking was a broader exposure would give me a more rounded foundation?

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#2214070 - 01/13/14 04:42 PM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
wimpiano Offline
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Ok, no problem.

Broad is always good however in my humble opinion a goal should be amongst others Smart: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMART_criteria

The other items on the list can be grouped in some cases and should be split up in other. Rythm and Dynamics for example should be made more specific.
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#2214071 - 01/13/14 04:44 PM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
wimpiano Offline
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Loc: The Netherlands


Edited by wimpiano (01/14/14 02:59 AM)
Edit Reason: added more specific lync
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#2214191 - 01/13/14 09:09 PM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
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Where did you get this list? It's good, but far from complete if you really wanted to write out everything (which - I agree with Andy - would be silly). I personally think it - or at least most items - could easily be accomplished within a few months with a good teacher. On one's own, some things like good posture, hand position, etc. could potentially never be accomplished, however.

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#2214323 - 01/14/14 04:00 AM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
Randalthor Offline
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Registered: 04/22/13
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Loc: UK
wimpiano - Thanks for the links, I'll be checking them out later today.

bobpickle - I have made this list myself, by asking questions and gathering information from around the web. It not exhaustive, but it is getting quite long, for what I thought was a solid grounding. There's a lot to this music business.
I'm not completely adverse to getting a teacher, I just like to know the basics of something first, before I get a teacher. I think its a learning thing, if I have tried something myself, and someone corrects me, I can see how it fits together. If I haven't tried something first, or at least had some exposure to it, then I find it very hard to relate new knowledge or topics into the bigger picture.

Thank you all for your views it has given me some food for thought.

Regards, Rand...

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#2214331 - 01/14/14 04:55 AM Re: Year One - Objectives [Re: Randalthor]
paul1971 Offline
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Registered: 12/04/13
Posts: 14
I would like to do my grade one within my first year, this would give me a sense of progress/measurement. What I learn will come in dribs and drabs but as ultimately I am just playing for fun, for me, lists don't matter.

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