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#2215050 - 01/15/14 09:13 AM Themed recital: Suites
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Based on the feedback I have received I have decided to call for an e-cital where the subject is "Suites".

It is now up to you to choose a suite from whichever era (Baroque, classical, romantic, modern...) you want. This can be any composition with "Suite" in the title. I think we should also open for Bach partitas, the French Ouverture of Bach and other "suites" containing the common movements (Allemande, Courante, Sarabande etc.)

Those of you who want to participate, please decide what you want to play and inform me through a PM. I'll open a thread where I make a list of selected works and keep it updated.

I propose November 3rd (Monday) as the deadline. I prefer not to receive audio or video files, but just links to box, YouTube or whatever. You decide if you wish to make a video or just an audio recording.

I suggest that we open for playing parts of the suite, but it would be desirable if the whole suite is played. Collaboration projects are welcome.

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#2215054 - 01/15/14 09:19 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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And here is the list of selected pieces. I'll try to update this list daily as long as I get new submissions. I prefer to have a PM with the submission. Since the suite literature is huge I don't provide an empty list, but just name the ones selected.

J.S.Bach

English Suite no.2 - FarmGirl
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf


Edited by Ganddalf (01/15/14 09:21 AM)

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#2215090 - 01/15/14 10:12 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list:

J.S.Bach

English Suite no.2 - FarmGirl
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamobear

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#2215103 - 01/15/14 10:34 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Interesting idea. The submissions will be practically all either Baroque or 20th century (if people dare to play the modern ones). I'll have to mull it over. It's likely that I'll do either Debussy's Suite Bergamasque or Bartok's Petite Suite.

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#2215106 - 01/15/14 10:36 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: jeffreyjones]
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Cool, Jeffrey! I, for one, would love to hear either of those come from *your* hands!

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#2215129 - 01/15/14 11:19 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Suites? I'm in!!

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#2215141 - 01/15/14 11:31 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I would love to do Debussy's Suite Bergamasque, and I think it might be musical (in my hands) by Nov. 3

However, JeffryJones... if you want it you can have it.

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#2215161 - 01/15/14 12:02 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Ok. In case several people are interested in the same work I'll follow the "first come - first served" principle. This refers to incoming PMs.

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#2215169 - 01/15/14 12:12 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list:

J.S.Bach

English Suite no.2 - FarmGirl
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamobear

Deodat de Severac

En Langeudoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King



Edited by Ganddalf (01/15/14 12:15 PM)

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#2215177 - 01/15/14 12:25 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Awesome, I will take Debussy's Suite Pour Le Piano.. I've always wanted to try that toccata.
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#2215267 - 01/15/14 03:25 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I was going to take a crack at Le tombeau de couperin among other things in the spring if you would like to put me down for that (might be a bit of a maybe by Nov 3 though).

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#2215281 - 01/15/14 03:59 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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And to think that I completely forgot how to play Bach's English Suite no.2 cry
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#2215403 - 01/15/14 07:54 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I call Partita no. 6!
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#2215404 - 01/15/14 07:55 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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To make it more open, we could do suites and variations?
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#2215420 - 01/15/14 08:35 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
To make it more open, we could do suites and variations?

I second this. I think you could generate a bunch more interest if you included Variations! laugh
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#2215422 - 01/15/14 08:37 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Kuanpiano]
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Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
I call Partita no. 6!


I know you have a deep affinity for the Sarabande wink grin , but I was hoping you'd play Ravel Miroirs for us! grin LOL! Seriously! I was hoping in my hope of hopes you would say, "Ravel. Miroirs." grin But, come to think of it, I don't think we've ever heard you play Bach! That will be a real treat, Kuanpiano! thumb
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#2215423 - 01/15/14 08:39 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: woodog]
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Originally Posted By: woodog
I would love to do Debussy's Suite Bergamasque, and I think it might be musical (in my hands) by Nov. 3

Forrest


Wow, Forrest! I am *sure* it would be musical coming from your hands! thumb

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#2215430 - 01/15/14 09:01 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: ScriabinAddict]
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Originally Posted By: ScriabinAddict
I was going to take a crack at Le tombeau de couperin among other things in the spring if you would like to put me down for that (might be a bit of a maybe by Nov 3 though).

Would you like to share Tombeau with me? (a few movements each, your pick who gets which)
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#2215490 - 01/15/14 11:25 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: woodog]
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Originally Posted By: woodog
I would love to do Debussy's Suite Bergamasque, and I think it might be musical (in my hands) by Nov. 3

However, JeffryJones... if you want it you can have it.

Forrest


No, please go ahead.. I actually have a better idea for myself. I'm most comfortable with Romantic period music, so I'll do Grieg - From Holberg's Time.

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#2215491 - 01/15/14 11:31 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: jeffreyjones]
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Originally Posted By: jeffreyjones
Originally Posted By: woodog
I would love to do Debussy's Suite Bergamasque, and I think it might be musical (in my hands) by Nov. 3

However, JeffryJones... if you want it you can have it.

Forrest


No, please go ahead.. I actually have a better idea for myself. I'm most comfortable with Romantic period music, so I'll do Grieg - From Holberg's Time.

Wow!!! This e-cital is *really* shaping up!!! grin

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#2215503 - 01/16/14 12:07 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I've loved From Holberg's Time since I heard Antonio Pompa-Baldi play it to a huge ovation at Oberlin. It's tender, touching and full of graceful turns of phrase. I'll have my work cut out for me navigating Grieg's thick writing to arrive at the elegance within.

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#2215520 - 01/16/14 02:28 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I'm overwhelmed by the response so far. What is interesting, indeed, is that so many of you have picked works from the 20th century.

It has been suggested also to include "Variations" in this e-cital. This is, of course, a possibility. I suspect, however, that it will be long enough if we stick to "Suites" this time. What is your opinion?

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#2215522 - 01/16/14 02:38 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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And now, the updated list:

J.S.Bach

English Suite no.2 - FarmGirl
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamobear

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 - Kreisler

Deodat de Severac

En Langeudoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

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#2215523 - 01/16/14 02:43 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Important notice to all participants:

I try to keep the list of chosen pieces up to date. There is, however, a risk that I make omissions or other mistakes. Therefore I urge you to check the list to verify that your own piece has been included, and that composer, work title and participant nickname is correctly written.

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#2215623 - 01/16/14 09:02 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
I'm overwhelmed by the response so far. What is interesting, indeed, is that so many of you have picked works from the 20th century.

It has been suggested also to include "Variations" in this e-cital. This is, of course, a possibility. I suspect, however, that it will be long enough if we stick to "Suites" this time. What is your opinion?


I agree. More than enough material in suites and the variations could be its own event in the future.

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#2215638 - 01/16/14 10:27 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Ganddalf, a spelling correction on my entry -- It's "En Languedoc" (not En Langeudoc).

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#2215652 - 01/16/14 10:51 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Tim Adrianson]
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Hm, my fingers seem to be a bit dyslectic. Wonder if the piano playing is to blame....

I'll correct this next time I edit the list.

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#2215713 - 01/16/14 01:04 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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With regards to Ravel's Tombeau, which is split between hreichgott and ScriabinAddict, are you guys playing all of the pieces just between you two, or is there room for another to squeeze in for one of the pieces?
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#2215730 - 01/16/14 01:53 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I have studied the two pieces from Feinberg's Suite No. 1, Op. 11 -- Etude no. 1 and no. 4.
I think it will be more than ample time for me to learn the other two pieces. smile
Please sign me up for Feinberg's Suite No. 1!

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#2215757 - 01/16/14 02:54 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Would the Bach Italian Concerto count (since it's not really a concerto)?
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#2215774 - 01/16/14 03:45 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I'm only just back to playing piano in the last month after a 10 year break. These recitals are great for helping me pick some new repertoire - I'm relearning pieces I used to play but there's such an overwhelming number of pieces I want to learn! I'm especially finding myself swayed into only learning Chopin since I love his work.

This recital would give me an excuse to branch out! I'm looking at learning something a bit easier than some of my other pieces since it's such a large amount of work and I still want time to work on some other things. I'm considering:

Edward MacDowell - Op. 51 Woodland Sketches
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Schumann - Op. 15 Scenes from Childhood

I'm not even sure if Scenes from Childhood classifies as a suite. It seems to depend what you read about it. Since suites after the Classical period don't seem to have the rigid structure, can someone help me out with what exactly defines it as such?
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#2215781 - 01/16/14 04:01 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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What do the experts say about the Italian Concerto, Woodland Sketches and Scenes from Childhood? Can we count them as "suites"? I would say that the Italian Concerto is more like a sonata, but being an uneducated amateur I would really have some statement from the other participants.

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#2215830 - 01/16/14 05:33 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I'm certainly no expert - but Bach named this work "Concerto in the Italian Style." If he'd considered it a suite or partita he would've called it that instead. The Woodland Sketches, on the other hand, are sometimes referred to as a "suite" even tho McDowell himself didn't name it as such. I've seen the Scenes from Childhood referred to as a "suite" along with Papillions - but not works such as Carnival or Album for the Young. Then, of course, we have the Mendelssohn Songs Without Words and Grieg Lyric Pieces - neither of which I've ever seen referred to as a suite. So - it tends to get kind of fuzzy - doesn't it??

Definitions of "suite" seem to fall into three general categories - as summarized below....

SUITE - Music
a. an instrumental composition consisting of several movements in the same key based on or derived from dance rhythms, esp in the baroque period
b. an instrumental composition in several movements less closely connected than a sonata
c. a piece of music containing movements based on or extracted from music already used in an opera, ballet, play, etc.

Collins Discovery Encyclopedia, 1st edition © HarperCollins Publishers 2005


Edited by carey (01/16/14 05:44 PM)
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#2215832 - 01/16/14 05:34 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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The Scenes from Childhood are definitely not a suite.
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#2215837 - 01/16/14 05:49 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: polyphonist
The Scenes from Childhood are definitely not a suite

Post withdrawn in deferance to Poly's concern over lack of relevancy.......


Edited by carey (01/16/14 08:24 PM)
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#2215842 - 01/16/14 05:57 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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What does that have to do with it?
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#2215907 - 01/16/14 08:24 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Polyphonist]
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What does that have to do with it?

Nothing now.
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#2215913 - 01/16/14 08:37 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
The Scenes from Childhood are definitely not a suite.

More of a cycle, but I don't see why it shouldn't count.

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#2215917 - 01/16/14 08:44 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Because the title of the recital is "Suites."
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#2215952 - 01/16/14 10:55 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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The OP did say that "suite" should be in the title, with exceptions for other pieces with the common dance forms you find in Baroque suites, like From Holberg's Time. That's why Le Tombeau de Couperin is acceptable but Kinderscenen wouldn't fit the theme.


Edited by jeffreyjones (01/16/14 10:59 PM)

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#2216022 - 01/17/14 02:38 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list:

J.S.Bach

French Suite No.4 – 1RC
English Suite no.2 – FarmGirl
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamobear

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

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#2216024 - 01/17/14 02:44 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
I'm certainly no expert - but Bach named this work "Concerto in the Italian Style." If he'd considered it a suite or partita he would've called it that instead. The Woodland Sketches, on the other hand, are sometimes referred to as a "suite" even tho McDowell himself didn't name it as such. I've seen the Scenes from Childhood referred to as a "suite" along with Papillions - but not works such as Carnival or Album for the Young. Then, of course, we have the Mendelssohn Songs Without Words and Grieg Lyric Pieces - neither of which I've ever seen referred to as a suite. So - it tends to get kind of fuzzy - doesn't it??

Definitions of "suite" seem to fall into three general categories - as summarized below....

SUITE - Music
a. an instrumental composition consisting of several movements in the same key based on or derived from dance rhythms, esp in the baroque period
b. an instrumental composition in several movements less closely connected than a sonata
c. a piece of music containing movements based on or extracted from music already used in an opera, ballet, play, etc.

Collins Discovery Encyclopedia, 1st edition © HarperCollins Publishers 2005


Based on this it seems that "Woodland Sketches" could be accepted as a suite while "Scenes from Childhood" and "Italian Concerto" are not. Since we have defined this as a "Suite" recital I suggest that we stick to this limitation.

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#2216025 - 01/17/14 02:48 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: jeffreyjones]
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Originally Posted By: jeffreyjones
The OP did say that "suite" should be in the title, with exceptions for other pieces with the common dance forms you find in Baroque suites, like From Holberg's Time. That's why Le Tombeau de Couperin is acceptable but Kinderscenen wouldn't fit the theme.

It's probably worth noting that only two of the six movements in the Tombeau are based on Baroque dance forms - and one is based on an Italian folk dance. The remaining movements (Prelude, Fugue, Toccata) harken back to the Baroque period - but aren't dance forms.

Given this, where might Bartok's Six Romanian Folk Dances fit into the great scheme of things????
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#2216041 - 01/17/14 05:11 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: carey]
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The OP did say that "suite" should be in the title, with exceptions for other pieces with the common dance forms you find in Baroque suites, like From Holberg's Time. That's why Le Tombeau de Couperin is acceptable but Kinderscenen wouldn't fit the theme.

It's probably worth noting that only two of the six movements in the Tombeau are based on Baroque dance forms - and one is based on an Italian folk dance. The remaining movements (Prelude, Fugue, Toccata) harken back to the Baroque period - but aren't dance forms.

Given this, where might Bartok's Six Romanian Folk Dances fit into the great scheme of things????


The OP gave these directions as an attempt to limit the scope of this recital. But I want to be flexible and avoid too much formalism.

Bartok's Romainan Folk Dances is a sequence of pieces with dance rhythms. In fact the word "suite" can also be translated a "sequence". Therefore I would say it fits.

Several of the modern "suites" contain movements without dance character. Suite Bergamasque also has only two "dances", and the main point is that the pieces are intended to be performed in sequence.

Anyhow I we must keep sonatas outside the scope even if they also consist of movements intended to be performed in "sequence". This is because the sonata is a well defined form and the literature is so huge that we can make several "sonata e-citals" later. I would, however, not have any objections to accepting the Italian Concerto in the "sonata" context.

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#2216061 - 01/17/14 07:38 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Another question about acceptable pieces - I was toying with the idea of trying to learn a 20th century partita (by Arthur Berger) for this e-cital, and although it is a multiple movement work, none are dances. But, on the other hand, probably emulating Bach, there is an Aria and a Capriccio in it.

So I guess the question I have is - does anything titled "Partita" also fit, or just Bach's?

BTW, I'm not really ready to commit, but thought it was probably better to ask right away, before I spent too much time trying to figure out whether I can actually play it.

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#2216069 - 01/17/14 08:02 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
[...] It's probably worth noting that only two of the six movements in the Tombeau are based on Baroque dance forms - and one is based on an Italian folk dance. The remaining movements (Prelude, Fugue, Toccata) harken back to the Baroque period - but aren't dance forms.[...]


In that case, it's worth noting that some suites and partitas from the Baroque period included a prelude, fugue, or toccata (or fantasie, sinfonia, or overture) along with the dance forms. smile
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#2216079 - 01/17/14 08:12 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: wr]
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Another question about acceptable pieces - I was toying with the idea of trying to learn a 20th century partita (by Arthur Berger) for this e-cital, and although it is a multiple movement work, none are dances. But, on the other hand, probably emulating Bach, there is an Aria and a Capriccio in it.

So I guess the question I have is - does anything titled "Partita" also fit, or just Bach's?

BTW, I'm not really ready to commit, but thought it was probably better to ask right away, before I spent too much time trying to figure out whether I can actually play it.




There is little difference between the meaning of "suite" and "partita". It sounds to me that the Artur Berger work fits well here.


Edited by Ganddalf (01/17/14 08:17 AM)

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#2216085 - 01/17/14 08:23 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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There is little difference between the meaning of "suite" and "partita". It sounds to me that the Artur Berger work fits well here.


Thanks. That's what I think, too.

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#2216088 - 01/17/14 08:29 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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The OP did say that "suite" should be in the title, with exceptions for other pieces with the common dance forms you find in Baroque suites, like From Holberg's Time. That's why Le Tombeau de Couperin is acceptable but Kinderscenen wouldn't fit the theme.

It's probably worth noting that only two of the six movements in the Tombeau are based on Baroque dance forms - and one is based on an Italian folk dance. The remaining movements (Prelude, Fugue, Toccata) harken back to the Baroque period - but aren't dance forms.

Given this, where might Bartok's Six Romanian Folk Dances fit into the great scheme of things????


The OP gave these directions as an attempt to limit the scope of this recital. But I want to be flexible and avoid too much formalism.

Bartok's Romainan Folk Dances is a sequence of pieces with dance rhythms. In fact the word "suite" can also be translated a "sequence". Therefore I would say it fits.

Several of the modern "suites" contain movements without dance character. Suite Bergamasque also has only two "dances", and the main point is that the pieces are intended to be performed in sequence.

Anyhow I we must keep sonatas outside the scope even if they also consist of movements intended to be performed in "sequence". This is because the sonata is a well defined form and the literature is so huge that we can make several "sonata e-citals" later. I would, however, not have any objections to accepting the Italian Concerto in the "sonata" context.
What about Bartok Six Dances in Bulgarian Rhythms from Mikrokosmos Vol. 6?
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#2216102 - 01/17/14 09:01 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Morodiene]
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What about Bartok Six Dances in Bulgarian Rhythms from Mikrokosmos Vol. 6?


I don't know these pieces, but it sounds ok to me.

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#2216315 - 01/17/14 04:56 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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#2216381 - 01/17/14 08:10 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: albumblatter]
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I have studied the two pieces from Feinberg's Suite No. 1, Op. 11 -- Etude no. 1 and no. 4.
I think it will be more than ample time for me to learn the other two pieces. smile
Please sign me up for Feinberg's Suite No. 1!


A couple of these pieces have never been recorded, to my knowledge, so we may be in for a premiere!
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#2216390 - 01/17/14 08:31 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Polyphonist]
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The Scenes from Childhood are definitely not a suite.


Funny, immediately after browsing this thread, I read this article posted in this thread. And I highlight this paragraph:

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The evening opened with the belated premiere of Marc Neikrug’s “Passions, Reflected” for solo piano, written in 2008. Structured in 12 sections, the piece was inspired, Mr. Neikrug told the audience, by Schumann’s imaginative suites for piano.
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#2216407 - 01/17/14 09:27 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Hi everyone and Gandalf,
After due consideration and discussion with my friend, I decided to go French. Can I switch to French Suite II c minor BWV813. This one is much shorter and very pretty. My friend may join the forum to share this with me. Please put it under my name until he formerly joins. Thanks.

I will P-mail the same to Gandalf now.
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#2216416 - 01/17/14 10:01 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: carey]
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only two of the six movements in the Tombeau are based on Baroque dance forms - and one is based on an Italian folk dance. The remaining movements (Prelude, Fugue, Toccata) harken back to the Baroque period - but aren't dance forms.

Menuets, Rigaudons and Forlanes routinely appear in French Baroque suites. You're right about the other movements.
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#2216429 - 01/17/14 10:14 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: D. S. F.]
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I have studied the two pieces from Feinberg's Suite No. 1, Op. 11 -- Etude no. 1 and no. 4.
I think it will be more than ample time for me to learn the other two pieces. smile
Please sign me up for Feinberg's Suite No. 1!


A couple of these pieces have never been recorded, to my knowledge, so we may be in for a premiere!


Whoa!!! Cool!!!
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#2216431 - 01/17/14 10:18 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: hreichgott]
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Originally Posted By: carey
only two of the six movements in the Tombeau are based on Baroque dance forms - and one is based on an Italian folk dance. The remaining movements (Prelude, Fugue, Toccata) harken back to the Baroque period - but aren't dance forms.

Menuets, Rigaudons and Forlanes routinely appear in French Baroque suites. You're right about the other movements.


Are not Menuets, Rigaudons and Forlanes dance forms? Are you saying, "If it's a dance form, even if it's Italian, it's o.k."? (I think that's what I heard you say...)
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#2216435 - 01/17/14 10:30 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Cinnamonbear]
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Originally Posted By: carey
only two of the six movements in the Tombeau are based on Baroque dance forms - and one is based on an Italian folk dance. The remaining movements (Prelude, Fugue, Toccata) harken back to the Baroque period - but aren't dance forms.

Menuets, Rigaudons and Forlanes routinely appear in French Baroque suites. You're right about the other movements.


Are not Menuets, Rigaudons and Forlanes dance forms? Are you saying, "If it's a dance form, even if it's Italian, it's o.k."? (I think that's what I heard you say...)

Yes! I also support the Sarabande as part of a baroque suite, even though it is from Latin America.
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#2216441 - 01/17/14 10:36 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: hreichgott]
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Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Originally Posted By: Cinnamonbear
Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Originally Posted By: carey
only two of the six movements in the Tombeau are based on Baroque dance forms - and one is based on an Italian folk dance. The remaining movements (Prelude, Fugue, Toccata) harken back to the Baroque period - but aren't dance forms.

Menuets, Rigaudons and Forlanes routinely appear in French Baroque suites. You're right about the other movements.


Are not Menuets, Rigaudons and Forlanes dance forms? Are you saying, "If it's a dance form, even if it's Italian, it's o.k."? (I think that's what I heard you say...)

Yes! I also support the Sarabande as part of a baroque suite, even though it is from Latin America.


It was a court dance for a couple of centuries before the time of Bach, so there is a long precedent for it. Interesting how a dance that was seen as indecent and vulgar became adopted by the upper crust.

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#2216445 - 01/17/14 10:42 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: jeffreyjones]
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Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Originally Posted By: Cinnamonbear
Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Originally Posted By: carey
only two of the six movements in the Tombeau are based on Baroque dance forms - and one is based on an Italian folk dance. The remaining movements (Prelude, Fugue, Toccata) harken back to the Baroque period - but aren't dance forms.

Menuets, Rigaudons and Forlanes routinely appear in French Baroque suites. You're right about the other movements.


Are not Menuets, Rigaudons and Forlanes dance forms? Are you saying, "If it's a dance form, even if it's Italian, it's o.k."? (I think that's what I heard you say...)

Yes! I also support the Sarabande as part of a baroque suite, even though it is from Latin America.


It was a court dance for a couple of centuries before the time of Bach, so there is a long precedent for it. Interesting how a dance that was seen as indecent and vulgar became adopted by the upper crust.

Given enough time that happens with the most amazing things smile
I know very little about pre-Baroque dance music but at least by the time of Couperin and Rameau the forlane was a well-established form in France.
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#2216835 - 01/18/14 06:47 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: D. S. F.]
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The Scenes from Childhood are definitely not a suite.


Funny, immediately after browsing this thread, I read this article posted in this thread. And I highlight this paragraph:

Quote:
The evening opened with the belated premiere of Marc Neikrug’s “Passions, Reflected” for solo piano, written in 2008. Structured in 12 sections, the piece was inspired, Mr. Neikrug told the audience, by Schumann’s imaginative suites for piano.


While researching, trying to figure out if it could be counted as a suite or not, I came across a few references to The Scenes from Childhood being a suite.

For now, I'm signed up for Woodland Sketches, but if the consensus swings in favour of Scenes from Childhood being counted a suite, I'd like to put dibs on that one instead!
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#2216993 - 01/19/14 04:58 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list:

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.2 - FarmGirl
French Suite No.4 – 1RC
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamobear

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Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

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#2216995 - 01/19/14 05:04 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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This becomes just better and better. So much interesting music I never heard about.

There is one issue where I need the opinion of the other participants. Can we Count "Scenes from Childhood" as a suite? Sammae really wants it instead of MacDowell.

None of Bach's English suites are represented. Anyone?

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#2217026 - 01/19/14 08:23 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
This becomes just better and better. So much interesting music I never heard about.

There is one issue where I need the opinion of the other participants. Can we Count "Scenes from Childhood" as a suite? Sammae really wants it instead of MacDowell.

None of Bach's English suites are represented. Anyone?


I see no reason to exclude the Scenes from Childhood. It is a sequence of smaller pieces tied together by a common theme. If you look at Brahms Op. 118, it is a set of pieces with no unifying theme. Therefore you could say that such a set is not a suite. This is enough of a distinction in my opinion.


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#2217065 - 01/19/14 10:10 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Pathbreaker]
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Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
This becomes just better and better. So much interesting music I never heard about.

There is one issue where I need the opinion of the other participants. Can we Count "Scenes from Childhood" as a suite? Sammae really wants it instead of MacDowell.

None of Bach's English suites are represented. Anyone?


I see no reason to exclude the Scenes from Childhood. It is a sequence of smaller pieces tied together by a common theme. If you look at Brahms Op. 118, it is a set of pieces with no unifying theme. Therefore you could say that such a set is not a suite. This is enough of a distinction in my opinion.

Oh but there are unifying devices and motifs in 118!!
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#2217072 - 01/19/14 10:50 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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You could still include 118 by the broadest definition but I figured the line could be drawn based on whether or not a unifying theme is made explicit either in title or form.

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#2217092 - 01/19/14 12:11 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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We need a pairs event as well! Rachmaninoff Suites! Arensky Suites! Dolly Suite! Mother Goose Suite! Children's Games Suite! Debussy's Petite Suite!
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#2217126 - 01/19/14 01:01 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I have no objection if anyone want to perform a duet suite as part of this recital. Alternatively a separate duet e-cital could be arranged. Depends a bit on how many want to play duet suites.

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#2217173 - 01/19/14 02:33 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Pathbreaker]
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You could still include 118 by the broadest definition but I figured the line could be drawn based on whether or not a unifying theme is made explicit either in title or form.


My understanding is that the "unifying theme" (along with the titles) for the 15 pieces in the Scenes from Childhood was arrived at by Schumann AFTER the pieces had been composed. He originally was simply going to call the set "Easy Pieces." grin

There certainly are plenty of references on the internet to the Scenes from Childhood as being a "suite" - whether the term is being used correctly or not.

My own feeling is that if someone wants to contribute a work that "kind of" looks like a "suite" to the recital - then we should allow them to do so. BUT - they should play ALL (or MOST) of the movements/sections/pieces or whatever within the set - otherwise it wouldn't really be a "suite" would it???



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#2217183 - 01/19/14 02:53 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: carey]
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My own feeling is that someone wants to contribute a work that "kind of" looks like a "suite" to the recital - then we should allow them to do so. BUT - they should play ALL (or MOST) of the movements/sections/pieces or whatever within the set - otherwise it wouldn't really be a "suite" would it???



I second this. Makes sense to me.

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#2217185 - 01/19/14 02:54 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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There are zillions of suites. There is no reason to stretch the definition given in the first post.

I probably will not participate, because I am not a very good pianist, but I have four different suites in mind, none of which is likely to be performed by anyone else, so a miracle could happen and I could get a decent recording of one of them by the deadline.
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#2217196 - 01/19/14 03:24 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: BDB]
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There are zillions of suites. There is no reason to stretch the definition given in the first post.

I probably will not participate, because I am not a very good pianist, but I have four different suites in mind, none of which is likely to be performed by anyone else, so a miracle could happen and I could get a decent recording of one of them by the deadline.

Zillions of suites??? Seriously???? crazy

Other than the obvious "suites" from the Baroque era, I was hard pressed to find works that 1) weren't already spoken for, or 2) actually were titled "suite" by the composer. Is there any possibility that you might share the names of the four suites you've identified? grin
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#2217206 - 01/19/14 03:36 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Originally Posted By: carey


My own feeling is that someone wants to contribute a work that "kind of" looks like a "suite" to the recital - then we should allow them to do so. BUT - they should play ALL (or MOST) of the movements/sections/pieces or whatever within the set - otherwise it wouldn't really be a "suite" would it???



I second this. Makes sense to me.


I like this too. And I wasn't even stretching the definition, there are many works that could be considered suites simply by being a collection of small pieces. It only matters how rigid the organizer wants to be about it. My music dictionary spent almost 3 pages on it. It starts like this:
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A series of disparate instrumental movements with some element of unity, most often to be performed as a single work.


Maybe that's a bit too broad but we don't have to stretch the definition. If you want I can quote the first paragraph. It's really quite good I think.

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#2217208 - 01/19/14 03:36 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: BDB]
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There are zillions of suites. There is no reason to stretch the definition given in the first post.

I probably will not participate, because I am not a very good pianist, but I have four different suites in mind, none of which is likely to be performed by anyone else, so a miracle could happen and I could get a decent recording of one of them by the deadline.


Hahaha if I wait until I get to be a good pianist, it will never happen. I will just do my best. I figure I gotta start somewhere. I hope you decide to join later.
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#2217223 - 01/19/14 04:03 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I was looking into a couple of suites written by Poulenc. One I really liked but seemed easier, so it would be great for an intermediate pianist was the Suite Francais:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dutR2mWOklQ

For a later intermediate/early advanced there's the Suite in C. Really charming pieces:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRvDH9OTyXY

For something a bit more challenging there's the Napoli Suite by Poulenc:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL4C5AMyRkQ

I'm not currently planning on doing any of these, but thought I'd share in case someone wanted to. I am looking for a Baroque suite to do, but I'm not sure where to look. I'd love to do some Couperin, especially since some are playing Ravel's Tombeau it might be cool to hear how Ravel tried to reflect Couperin in this suite. Any recommendations?



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#2217251 - 01/19/14 04:47 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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A quick perusal of my library shows the Suite Española by Albeniz, a couple by Poulenc, one by Saint-Saens, one by Schoenberg, some pieces in the Gradus ad Parnassum which form suites, Hindemith's 1922 Suite, Grainger's In a Nutshell, Suite Andalucia and others by Lecuona...

If you go to the Baroque, there are 19 suites by Buxtehude, a lot more by Handel, and plenty by French composers.

That list omits all of the ones I am considering.
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#2217255 - 01/19/14 04:52 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Also came across a Muczynski Suite for Piano Op. 13, Goyescas by Granados, Mozart Suite K399 which only has 3 movements plus a fragment of a Sarabande. I really like this last one, that may be a contender for me!
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#2217265 - 01/19/14 05:02 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: BDB]
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If you go to the Baroque, there are 19 suites by Buxtehude, a lot more by Handel, and plenty by French composers.

Not to mention the 16+ from Bach. So you have 60 suites from German Baroque composers alone.
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#2217278 - 01/19/14 05:26 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I am sure there are other Bachs who wrote suites. There must be someone out there with a calliope who could play PDQ Bach's Toot Suite.

There is also Suite Lorraine, and Suite Georgia Brown!
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#2217286 - 01/19/14 05:34 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: BDB]
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I am sure there are other Bach's who wrote suites. There must be someone out there with a calliope who could play PDQ Bach's Toot Suite.

There is also Suite Lorraine, and Suite Georgia Brown!


and don't forget the "Ain't She Suite" !!!!!!! grin

Great stuff folks - thanks for the titles.
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#2217293 - 01/19/14 05:43 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: BDB
I am sure there are other Bach's who wrote suites. There must be someone out there with a calliope who could play PDQ Bach's Toot Suite.

There is also Suite Lorraine, and Suite Georgia Brown!


and don't forget the "Ain't She Suite" !!!!!!! grin



And "Suite: Judy Blue Eyes"
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#2217319 - 01/19/14 06:23 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: jeffreyjones]
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Originally Posted By: hreichgott
Originally Posted By: carey
only two of the six movements in the Tombeau are based on Baroque dance forms - and one is based on an Italian folk dance. The remaining movements (Prelude, Fugue, Toccata) harken back to the Baroque period - but aren't dance forms.

Menuets, Rigaudons and Forlanes routinely appear in French Baroque suites. You're right about the other movements.


Are not Menuets, Rigaudons and Forlanes dance forms? Are you saying, "If it's a dance form, even if it's Italian, it's o.k."? (I think that's what I heard you say...)

Yes! I also support the Sarabande as part of a baroque suite, even though it is from Latin America.


It was a court dance for a couple of centuries before the time of Bach, so there is a long precedent for it. Interesting how a dance that was seen as indecent and vulgar became adopted by the upper crust.
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#2217345 - 01/19/14 07:29 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Morodiene]
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I am looking for a Baroque suite to do, but I'm not sure where to look. I'd love to do some Couperin, especially since some are playing Ravel's Tombeau it might be cool to hear how Ravel tried to reflect Couperin in this suite. Any recommendations?


Try these
http://imslp.org/wiki/Pi%C3%A8ces_de_Clavecin_(Couperin,_Fran%C3%A7ois)
It is a large work made up of 27 ordres. Each ordre is a set of dances arranged in a (longish) suite.
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#2217361 - 01/19/14 08:15 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: hreichgott]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
I am looking for a Baroque suite to do, but I'm not sure where to look. I'd love to do some Couperin, especially since some are playing Ravel's Tombeau it might be cool to hear how Ravel tried to reflect Couperin in this suite. Any recommendations?


Try these
http://imslp.org/wiki/Pi%C3%A8ces_de_Clavecin_(Couperin,_Fran%C3%A7ois)
It is a large work made up of 27 ordres. Each ordre is a set of dances arranged in a (longish) suite.
I was wondering about that. I do know Les barricades mysterieuses which appears to be part of the Sixieme ordre, which doesn't look outrageously long. It would be interesting to do this, I think. Is that acceptable? If so, please officially sign me up, Gandalf.
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#2217366 - 01/19/14 08:23 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: carey]
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Great stuff folks - thanks for the titles.


There are also a couple of "Modern Suites" by Edward MacDowell. IMSLP has them, listed under "First" and "Second".

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#2217462 - 01/20/14 02:42 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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There is one argument AGAINST being too sloppy with the definition of a suite when arranging this recital. Already now people have signed up for around 20 suites and if the average duration is 15 minutes we already have five hours music to listen to.

One way to handle this is to "release" the music in batches - perhaps some 1 - 2 hours of music each day. I even think it will make sense to make individual response threads for each batch. And maybe the batches could be composed in a way where different styles are represented in each of them.

Whatever we do I think we have to set an upper limit to the total amount of music for this recital. 10 hours perhaps... I even assume that when this recital is completed a new similar one will be running.

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#2217536 - 01/20/14 09:31 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list:

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.2 - FarmGirl
French Suite No.4 – 1RC
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

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#2217545 - 01/20/14 09:57 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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There is one argument AGAINST being too sloppy with the definition of a suite when arranging this recital. Already now people have signed up for around 20 suites and if the average duration is 15 minutes we already have five hours music to listen to.

One way to handle this is to "release" the music in batches - perhaps some 1 - 2 hours of music each day. I even think it will make sense to make individual response threads for each batch. And maybe the batches could be composed in a way where different styles are represented in each of them.

Whatever we do I think we have to set an upper limit to the total amount of music for this recital. 10 hours perhaps... I even assume that when this recital is completed a new similar one will be running.


Yes, I've been noticing this issue too, and I seem to remember that this concern was raised when the subject of a recital of longer pieces was first mentioned.

I notice that ScriabinAddict and I are the only ones sharing a suite. I would like to recommend this option to others. Not that I think anyone is not capable of playing their whole suite smile (ScriabinAddict and I are actually both learning all of Tombeau)

I remember that when we were close to the Mazurka recital many people felt stressed out about getting their selections learned and recorded in time. These pieces are much longer and many on the list are much more difficult. If more people shared suites, it would be less stressful for performers and also less of a marathon for the audience.
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#2217572 - 01/20/14 10:57 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I'm sharing my Suite with my friend Phil who is an excellent player. Just FYI this is not the Phil you know here. My friend needs to join the forum. We divided up the piece as follows:

Allemande - FarmGirl
Courante - Phil M
Sarabande - Phil M
Air - FarmGirl
Menuet - FarmGirl
Gigue - Phil M

As you can see basically I asked him to do difficult ones as Sarabande and especially Gigue. I played through the whole Suite and realized that I had trouble sight reading Gigue. Sarabande is short in this Suite but I know enough to know it will take time to play it well. So I reached out to Phil M. Courante was not difficult but decided to give it to him because it seems to flow better. We both take performance studio class together and plan to perform this in the fall. It makes it easier for me because I am working on other pieces too.
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#2217727 - 01/20/14 03:40 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Sharing is definitely a good idea.

Generally when these recitals are arranged, participants get frustrated when time comes for recording. Recording a 3 - 5 minutes piece is one thing. Then one can just imagine what recording of a suite lasting for 15 - 30 minutes will take.

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#2217762 - 01/20/14 05:02 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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FarmGirl, have fun with your collaboration smile That's another fun thing about sharing a piece, having someone to bounce ideas off of.
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#2217776 - 01/20/14 05:46 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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There is one argument AGAINST being too sloppy with the definition of a suite when arranging this recital. Already now people have signed up for around 20 suites and if the average duration is 15 minutes we already have five hours music to listen to.
One doesn't have to listen to every piece in the recital. In fact, I doubt many people do.

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#2217779 - 01/20/14 05:49 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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One does not need to record every movement of a suite in one sitting, either.
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#2217832 - 01/20/14 07:33 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Maybe, since they all seem to be longer than recitals, we should start calling these events "e-festivals" or "e-marathons" instead of "e-citals". Or maybe some kind of new word like "e-musathon".

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#2217862 - 01/20/14 08:54 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Gandalf, can you please put me down for Sixieme Ordre by Francois Couperin?
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#2217968 - 01/21/14 02:22 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Morodiene]
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Gandalf, can you please put me down for Sixieme Ordre by Francois Couperin?


I'll do that. Another very interesting contribution.

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#2218083 - 01/21/14 09:30 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list:

F.Couperin

Sixieme Ordre - Morodiene

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.2 - FarmGirl + Phil M
French Suite No.4 – 1RC
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

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#2218178 - 01/21/14 12:29 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list:

F.Couperin

Sixieme Ordre - Morodiene

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.2 - FarmGirl + Phil M
French Suite No.4 – 1RC
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

Feinberg

Suite 1 - albumblatter


Yay! Will the music be presented chronologically? It might be cool to hear the Couperin alongside the Tombeau de Couperin (but then anyone could listen to that if they wished after everything's posted).
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#2218191 - 01/21/14 12:53 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I have been thinking about this for a while. In fact, I think it will be a better idea to make a series of "recitals" where each of them contain a combination of older and newer music. For instance Couperin and Tombeau de Couperin (maybe together with another suite to get a "programme" with a duration of one to one and a half hour).

I suggest that we discuss this in detail when we have the total overview of the suites reserved.

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#2218264 - 01/21/14 02:52 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I think the recital could simply be presented as a list of entries, and people could pick and choose what to listen to and when.
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#2218356 - 01/21/14 05:23 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Kreisler]
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I think the recital could simply be presented as a list of entries, and people could pick and choose what to listen to and when.


This option is also possible, of course.

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#2218703 - 01/22/14 11:10 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list:

F.Couperin

Sixieme Ordre - Morodiene

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.2 - FarmGirl + Phil M
French Suite No.4 – 1RC
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.2 - doctor_S
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

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Suite 1 - albumblatter

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#2218753 - 01/22/14 12:08 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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#2218843 - 01/22/14 02:38 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I was thinking the same thing. If I joined that's probably the one I would do but I don't think I will be able to participate.

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#2218860 - 01/22/14 02:54 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Why don't u guys corroborate?
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#2218890 - 01/22/14 03:31 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I am considering another suite, but I am also planning on remodeling my house this year, which will be disruptive enough.
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#2219114 - 01/22/14 08:34 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Ok I understand. It's just such a wonderful suite, you know. I wish someone will play it.
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#2219243 - 01/23/14 02:53 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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F.Couperin

Sixieme Ordre - Morodiene

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.2 - FarmGirl + Phil M
French Suite no.3 - AnneJ
French Suite No.4 – 1RC
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.2 - doctor_S
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

Feinberg

Suite 1 - albumblatter

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#2219440 - 01/23/14 12:17 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: FarmGirl]
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Why don't u guys corroborate?


Very tempting but I have too much on my plate already.

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#2220047 - 01/24/14 12:59 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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The present status is that we have 12 composers and 24 suites on the list. This is quite good, but we will, of course, continue accepting new participants and pieces.

We don't have any of Bach's English suites represented yet. I also greatly recommend French suite no 5 and 6.

Other significant suites that are not taken yet?

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#2221178 - 01/26/14 10:34 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Bartok's Petite Suite would be a good choice and not overly difficult for someone who understands his idiom. Roussel and Enescu wrote some big and imposing suites. The Schoenberg is a great piece, but I don't expect anyone to play it. That one's strictly for a top-tier virtuoso.

I started working on the Holberg Suite. It is absolutely perfect for the Chickering at my church. I just play the notes and all these glorious sounds come out.

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#2221238 - 01/27/14 02:55 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list:

F.Couperin

Sixieme Ordre - Morodiene

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.2 - FarmGirl + Phil M
French Suite no.3 - AnneJ
French Suite No.4 – 1RC
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.2 - doctor_S
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings
Children's Corner - doctor_S

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

Feinberg

Suite 1 - albumblatter


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#2221257 - 01/27/14 04:42 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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As you may see Children's Corner has now been claimed.

I just checked out Enescu's suites. He wrote three of them. The first one (Op.3) is in "ancient" or Bach style. From my first impression I would rather play a Bach suite than this one.
The two later ones (Op.10 and Op.18) were much more interesting. Great music to listen to, but both seem pretty challenging technically.

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#2221314 - 01/27/14 08:21 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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We don't have any of Bach's English suites represented yet.

That's because the English suites are hard!
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#2221321 - 01/27/14 08:35 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Other significant suites that are not taken yet?


Albeniz' Iberia - not that I'd really expect anyone to do it. smile

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#2221426 - 01/27/14 12:14 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I am still going through several of them. I think that Ippolitov-Ivanov's Caucasian Sketches are beyond me, but someone wanting to fill in the alphabet might claim them. I just want to point out that there are several suites which are better known as orchestral works that are also available for piano, which might have been the way they were written originally. Stravinsky recounts that Rimsky-Korsakov noted that some people write on the piano first and orchestrate later, as Stravinsky did, and that there was nothing wrong with that.
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#2221804 - 01/28/14 09:16 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Would Pictures at an Exhibition be considered a suite?
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#2221837 - 01/28/14 11:05 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Morodiene]
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Would Pictures at an Exhibition be considered a suite?


I think it should... I can't believe I didn't think of that, because I played it a year ago :P

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#2221848 - 01/28/14 11:26 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Morodiene]
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Would Pictures at an Exhibition be considered a suite?


I would consider it a suite. Guess it is pretty difficult technically, but anyone who feels capable to play it is welcome.

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#2222117 - 01/28/14 08:38 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Would Pictures at an Exhibition be considered a suite?


I would consider it a suite. Guess it is pretty difficult technically, but anyone who feels capable to play it is welcome.


Morodiene, was that an offer from you to play it? Or were you just asking if it will work? Because if not, then I'd like to take it! But Morodiene mentioned it first.

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#2222123 - 01/28/14 08:45 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Have learned it, and the 2nd English Suite, but have absolutely noooo desire to try to record them...
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#2222282 - 01/29/14 02:51 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list:

Charles Dieupart

Suite no.6 - Cinnamonbear

F.Couperin

Sixieme Ordre - Morodiene

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.2 - FarmGirl + Phil M
French Suite no.3 - AnneJ
French Suite no.4 – 1RC
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.2 - doctor_S
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings
Children's Corner - doctor_S

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

Feinberg

Suite 1 - albumblatter [/quote]

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#2222284 - 01/29/14 02:55 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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A question about Bach suites: Are the English Suites larger and more technically demanding than the Partitas?

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#2222341 - 01/29/14 06:38 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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A question about Bach suites: Are the English Suites larger and more technically demanding than the Partitas?


When I was in college, the rule of thumb regarding the difficulty of Bach suites seemed to be that the French were the easiest, the partitas were the most difficult, and the English were somewhere between those two. But that's only a very general assessment, and I don't know that people who have learned them all would necessarily agree.

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#2222386 - 01/29/14 08:52 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Would Pictures at an Exhibition be considered a suite?


I would consider it a suite. Guess it is pretty difficult technically, but anyone who feels capable to play it is welcome.


Morodiene, was that an offer from you to play it? Or were you just asking if it will work? Because if not, then I'd like to take it! But Morodiene mentioned it first.


I was contemplating taking some of the pieces, but I don't really know if I have what it takes to play all of it - it's been a long time since a tried, though. Want to share? smile
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#2222416 - 01/29/14 09:30 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: wr]
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A question about Bach suites: Are the English Suites larger and more technically demanding than the Partitas?


When I was in college, the rule of thumb regarding the difficulty of Bach suites seemed to be that the French were the easiest, the partitas were the most difficult, and the English were somewhere between those two. But that's only a very general assessment, and I don't know that people who have learned them all would necessarily agree.


According to Hinson, the English suites "are generally on a larger scale and more imposing than the French Suites." He rates the French Suites Intermediate to Moderately Difficult, the English Suites Moderately Difficult, and the Partitas Moderately Difficult to Difficult. So he seems to agree with this assessment.
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#2222588 - 01/29/14 02:07 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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For one thing, English Suites are longer than French Suite. The prelude in English Suite II is wopping 10 pages plus which is almost the same size as the entire French Suite II.
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#2222606 - 01/29/14 02:35 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Yes, the preludes to the English Suites are quite... robust. (Except for the A major.) There seems to be more of an endurance issue here than with most of the Partitas. Also, the English Suites sound (and, I imagine, are): older.

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#2223590 - 01/31/14 11:14 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Would Pictures at an Exhibition be considered a suite?


I would consider it a suite. Guess it is pretty difficult technically, but anyone who feels capable to play it is welcome.


Morodiene, was that an offer from you to play it? Or were you just asking if it will work? Because if not, then I'd like to take it! But Morodiene mentioned it first.


I gather form your lack of response that you'd want to do it all or nothing. Go ahead and take it if you want.
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#2223694 - 01/31/14 02:59 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Morodiene]
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Would Pictures at an Exhibition be considered a suite?


I would consider it a suite. Guess it is pretty difficult technically, but anyone who feels capable to play it is welcome.


Morodiene, was that an offer from you to play it? Or were you just asking if it will work? Because if not, then I'd like to take it! But Morodiene mentioned it first.


I was contemplating taking some of the pieces, but I don't really know if I have what it takes to play all of it - it's been a long time since a tried, though. Want to share? smile


I am sorry that I missed your response. We can share, or you can take it, since you mentioned it first. If you want to share, then you pick whatever you wanna play, and I'll play whatever you don't pick. smile

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#2223914 - 01/31/14 11:17 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: beet31425]
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Yes, the preludes to the English Suites are quite... robust. (Except for the A major.) There seems to be more of an endurance issue here than with most of the Partitas. Also, the English Suites sound (and, I imagine, are): older.

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They are. It's not too hard to tell; they're less harmonically adventurous and more contrapuntally involved, which is more typical of his earlier work. I feel the same way about WTK I vs. WTK II.

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#2225066 - 02/03/14 08:56 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Would Pictures at an Exhibition be considered a suite?


I would consider it a suite. Guess it is pretty difficult technically, but anyone who feels capable to play it is welcome.


Morodiene, was that an offer from you to play it? Or were you just asking if it will work? Because if not, then I'd like to take it! But Morodiene mentioned it first.


I was contemplating taking some of the pieces, but I don't really know if I have what it takes to play all of it - it's been a long time since a tried, though. Want to share? smile


I am sorry that I missed your response. We can share, or you can take it, since you mentioned it first. If you want to share, then you pick whatever you wanna play, and I'll play whatever you don't pick. smile

No, that's fine. I was going back and forth on this, but I don't want to take on too much, so I'll stick with just doing the Couperin. Feel free to do all of this smile
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#2225113 - 02/03/14 10:03 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Are you sure? Okay, then!

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#2225216 - 02/03/14 01:08 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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I'm trying to commit less to these e-citals, because I've missed my commitments to several of them previously (life is so busy!), however, I can commit to this one for sure, because I have English Suite No. 5 in my fingers right now, and am planning on getting a good recording of it and a bunch of other repertoire in March. So I'll commit to it for this e-cital smile
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#2225241 - 02/03/14 02:23 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: MarkH]
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I'm trying to commit less to these e-citals, because I've missed my commitments to several of them previously (life is so busy!), however, I can commit to this one for sure, because I have English Suite No. 5 in my fingers right now, and am planning on getting a good recording of it and a bunch of other repertoire in March. So I'll commit to it for this e-cital smile


Fine! I'll soon make a new update of the list.

Anyone can encounter problems when comes to make a satisfactory recording by the deadline. In this case this will be no disaster. After all we don't try to cover the entire suite literature - a situation different from an e-cital covering e.g. the Chopin mazurkas. But, of course, I hope that everyone will be able to submit the pieces they signed up for.

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#2225263 - 02/03/14 03:12 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Got to be quick, so, um, no Purcell? I wouldn't mind having a bash at VII, the Z. 668 in D minor, if that's alright...? laugh
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#2225569 - 02/04/14 02:57 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list:

H.Purcell

Suite no.7 (Z.668) - FSO

Charles Dieupart

Suite no.6 - Cinnamonbear

F.Couperin

Sixieme Ordre - Morodiene

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.2 - FarmGirl + Phil M
French Suite no.3 - AnneJ
French Suite no.4 – 1RC
English Suite No.5 - MarkH
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.2 - doctor_S
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings
Children's Corner - doctor_S

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

Feinberg

Suite 1 - albumblatter

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#2225572 - 02/04/14 03:03 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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As you see Purcell is now added to the list, and we also got one of the English suites represented.

Once more I urge you to check the list. Is everything in accordance with your wishes. Any misspellings?

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#2225663 - 02/04/14 09:03 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Ganddalf, I am also doing Pictures as well as the Ginastera. smile

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#2225802 - 02/04/14 02:33 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Orange Soda King]
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Ganddalf, I am also doing Pictures as well as the Ginastera. smile


Ok, the list will be updated tomorrow morning.

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#2226149 - 02/05/14 05:09 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list:

H.Purcell

Suite no.7 (Z.668) - FSO

Charles Dieupart

Suite no.6 - Cinnamonbear

F.Couperin

Sixieme Ordre - Morodiene

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.2 - FarmGirl + Phil M
French Suite no.3 - AnneJ
French Suite no.4 – 1RC
English Suite No.5 - MarkH
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.2 - doctor_S
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

M.Mussorgsky

Pictures from an Exhibition - Orange Soda King

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings
Children's Corner - doctor_S

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

Feinberg

Suite 1 - albumblatter

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#2227288 - 02/07/14 02:25 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list, one more contribution added:

H.Purcell

Suite no.7 (Z.668) - FSO

Charles Dieupart

Suite no.6 - Cinnamonbear

F.Couperin

Sixieme Ordre - Morodiene

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.2 - FarmGirl + Phil M
French Suite no.3 - AnneJ
French Suite no.4 – 1RC
English Suite No.5 - MarkH
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.2 - doctor_S
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

M.Mussorgsky

Pictures from an Exhibition - Orange Soda King

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings
Children's Corner - doctor_S

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

H.Villa-Lobos

Suite Floral - Tim Adriansson

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

Feinberg

Suite 1 - albumblatter


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#2232916 - 02/17/14 02:20 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list, one more contribution added:

H.Purcell

Suite no.7 (Z.668) - FSO

Charles Dieupart

Suite no.6 - Cinnamonbear

F.Couperin

Sixieme Ordre - Morodiene

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.2 - FarmGirl + Phil M
French Suite no.3 - AnneJ
French Suite no.4 – 1RC
English Suite No.5 - MarkH
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.2 - doctor_S
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

M.Mussorgsky

Pictures from an Exhibition - Orange Soda King

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

S.Rachmaninoff

Suite, d-minor - doctor_S

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings
Children's Corner - doctor_S

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

H.Villa-Lobos

Suite Floral - Tim Adriansson

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

Feinberg

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#2241167 - 03/04/14 09:38 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Hi everyone, my apologies but I have to pull myself out of the e-cital. I am playing in my first chamber (sort of) music for this for an asian festival in November, flute and piano recitals in December. It is a serious piece and I need to dedicate my summer time to make it successful. The flute player I am performing with has won 1st prize in the local competition and I really have to put an extra effort. Sorry!

For those who curious, the piece is composed by Michio Miyagi and it sounds like this. Obviously, it's not me.

Carey, I will arrange preconcert in my house in the fall before the festival. Hope you can come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrIF_6h16w0
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#2242512 - 03/07/14 05:31 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: FarmGirl]
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Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Hi everyone, my apologies but I have to pull myself out of the e-cital. I am playing in my first chamber (sort of) music for this for an asian festival in November, flute and piano recitals in December. It is a serious piece and I need to dedicate my summer time to make it successful. The flute player I am performing with has won 1st prize in the local competition and I really have to put an extra effort. Sorry!

For those who curious, the piece is composed by Michio Miyagi and it sounds like this. Obviously, it's not me.

Carey, I will arrange preconcert in my house in the fall before the festival. Hope you can come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrIF_6h16w0


Of course it is understandable that you change your plans. Just a question: Will Carey play the Suite, or should I remove it completely from the list?

FYI: I'm off to the US today and will not make any updates before I return (18th).


Edited by Ganddalf (03/07/14 05:32 AM)

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#2242577 - 03/07/14 10:29 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Hi everyone, my apologies but I have to pull myself out of the e-cital. I am playing in my first chamber (sort of) music for this for an asian festival in November, flute and piano recitals in December. It is a serious piece and I need to dedicate my summer time to make it successful. The flute player I am performing with has won 1st prize in the local competition and I really have to put an extra effort. Sorry!

For those who curious, the piece is composed by Michio Miyagi and it sounds like this. Obviously, it's not me.

Carey, I will arrange preconcert in my house in the fall before the festival. Hope you can come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrIF_6h16w0


Of course it is understandable that you change your plans. Just a question: Will Carey play the Suite, or should I remove it completely from the list?

FYI: I'm off to the US today and will not make any updates before I return (18th).
Where in the US may I ask?
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#2242585 - 03/07/14 10:47 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: FarmGirl]
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Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Hi everyone, my apologies but I have to pull myself out of the e-cital. I am playing in my first chamber (sort of) music for this for an asian festival in November, flute and piano recitals in December. It is a serious piece and I need to dedicate my summer time to make it successful. The flute player I am performing with has won 1st prize in the local competition and I really have to put an extra effort. Sorry!

For those who curious, the piece is composed by Michio Miyagi and it sounds like this. Obviously, it's not me.

Carey, I will arrange preconcert in my house in the fall before the festival. Hope you can come.

I'll definitely try to be there !! grin
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#2242595 - 03/07/14 11:11 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Hi everyone, my apologies but I have to pull myself out of the e-cital. I am playing in my first chamber (sort of) music for this for an asian festival in November, flute and piano recitals in December. It is a serious piece and I need to dedicate my summer time to make it successful. The flute player I am performing with has won 1st prize in the local competition and I really have to put an extra effort. Sorry!

For those who curious, the piece is composed by Michio Miyagi and it sounds like this. Obviously, it's not me.

Carey, I will arrange preconcert in my house in the fall before the festival. Hope you can come.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrIF_6h16w0


Of course it is understandable that you change your plans. Just a question: Will Carey play the Suite, or should I remove it completely from the list?

FYI: I'm off to the US today and will not make any updates before I return (18th).


Please remove the suite under my name completely. Apologies for the confusion
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#2242596 - 03/07/14 11:13 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: carey]
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Originally Posted By: carey
Originally Posted By: FarmGirl
Hi everyone, my apologies but I have to pull myself out of the e-cital. I am playing in my first chamber (sort of) music for this for an asian festival in November, flute and piano recitals in December. It is a serious piece and I need to dedicate my summer time to make it successful. The flute player I am performing with has won 1st prize in the local competition and I really have to put an extra effort. Sorry!

For those who curious, the piece is composed by Michio Miyagi and it sounds like this. Obviously, it's not me.

Carey, I will arrange preconcert in my house in the fall before the festival. Hope you can come.

I'll definitely try to be there !! grin


Thank you!
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#2247426 - 03/16/14 12:11 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Loc: Norway
Updated list

H.Purcell

Suite no.7 (Z.668) - FSO

Charles Dieupart

Suite no.6 - Cinnamonbear

F.Couperin

Sixieme Ordre - Morodiene

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.3 - AnneJ
French Suite no.4 – 1RC
English Suite No.5 - MarkH
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.2 - doctor_S
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

M.Mussorgsky

Pictures from an Exhibition - Orange Soda King

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

S.Rachmaninoff

Suite, d-minor - doctor_S

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings
Children's Corner - doctor_S

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

H.Villa-Lobos

Suite Floral - Tim Adriansson

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

Feinberg

Suite 1 - albumblatter

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#2247429 - 03/16/14 12:14 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Returning today to cold and rainy Norway from sunny Florida. Last update of the list has removed French Suite no.2. Anyone else interested in playing it?

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#2247592 - 03/16/14 06:09 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Returning today to cold and rainy Norway from sunny Florida. Last update of the list has removed French Suite no.2. Anyone else interested in playing it?


Where in FL were you?
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#2247853 - 03/17/14 11:03 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Returning today to cold and rainy Norway from sunny Florida. Last update of the list has removed French Suite no.2. Anyone else interested in playing it?


Where in FL were you?


I made a road trip starting in Fort Lauderdale, then Fort Myers, the Keys (didn't go further out than Marathon) and finally Miami. Very nice weather, but I got sunburnt. :-)

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#2247924 - 03/17/14 01:58 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Returning today to cold and rainy Norway from sunny Florida. Last update of the list has removed French Suite no.2. Anyone else interested in playing it?


Where in FL were you?


I made a road trip starting in Fort Lauderdale, then Fort Myers, the Keys (didn't go further out than Marathon) and finally Miami. Very nice weather, but I got sunburnt. :-)


Right around my neck of the woods (Ft. Lauderdale). Sorry about the sunburning part, I try to stay out of it because I'm fairer skinned as well. Even in winter it's still pretty hot! smile
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#2248204 - 03/18/14 03:49 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Originally Posted By: Ganddalf
Returning today to cold and rainy Norway from sunny Florida. Last update of the list has removed French Suite no.2. Anyone else interested in playing it?


Where in FL were you?


I made a road trip starting in Fort Lauderdale, then Fort Myers, the Keys (didn't go further out than Marathon) and finally Miami. Very nice weather, but I got sunburnt. :-)


Right around my neck of the woods (Ft. Lauderdale). Sorry about the sunburning part, I try to stay out of it because I'm fairer skinned as well. Even in winter it's still pretty hot! smile


Sorry that I didn't know that you live in the area. I should have contacted you and asked for a piano lesson. I'm sure you would have found lots of improvement potential in my playing. :-)

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#2248246 - 03/18/14 08:09 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Originally Posted By: Ganddalf


Sorry that I didn't know that you live in the area. I should have contacted you and asked for a piano lesson. I'm sure you would have found lots of improvement potential in my playing. :-)


Perhaps next time then smile . I don't know if I'll be making my way to Norway any time soon, although that would be cool.
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#2257956 - 04/07/14 02:29 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Updated list - one new participant

H.Purcell

Suite no.7 (Z.668) - FSO

Charles Dieupart

Suite no.6 - Cinnamonbear

F.Couperin

Sixieme Ordre - Morodiene

J.S.Bach

French Suite no.3 - AnneJ
French Suite no.4 – 1RC
French Suite no.6 - Dame Myra
English Suite No.5 - MarkH
Partita no.1 - Carey
Partita no.2 - doctor_S
Partita no.3 - Ganddalf
Partita no.6 - Kuanpiano

G.F. Händel

Keyboard suite no. 13 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 15 - Cinnamonbear
Keyboard suite no. 16 - Cinnamonbear

M.Mussorgsky

Pictures from an Exhibition - Orange Soda King

E.Grieg

Peer Gynt Suite no.1 - Damon
Peer Gynt Suite no.2 - SlatterFan
From Holberg's time - jeffreyjones

MacDowell

Woodland Sketches - Sammae

Carl Nielsen

Suite for piano - D.S.F.

S.Rachmaninoff

Suite, d-minor - doctor_S

C.Debussy

Suite Bergamasque - woodog
Suite pour le Piano - neuralfirings
Children's Corner - doctor_S

M.Ravel

Tombeau de Couperin - hreichgott + ScriabinAddict

B.Bartok

Suite Op.14 – Kreisler
Six Romanian Folk Dances - Carey

H.Villa-Lobos

Suite Floral - Tim Adriansson

Deodat de Severac

En Languedoc: Suite pour piano - Tim Adrianson

Alberto Ginastera

Suite de Danzas Criollas - Orange Soda King

Feinberg

Suite 1 - albumblatter

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#2261378 - 04/14/14 03:43 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: Ganddalf]
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Can somebody name me a few Suites to play that are available? Something very expressive perhaps?

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#2261645 - 04/14/14 03:49 PM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: joonsang]
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Hi, Joonsang! Here are a few --

Francis Poulenc Suite Francaise
Jacques Ibert Petite Suite
Germaine Tailleferre Suite Burlesque
Norman Dello Joio Suite for Piano
Joaquin Turina Circus Suite
Isaac Albeniz Suite Espanola

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#2264517 - Today at 10:16 AM Re: Themed recital: Suites [Re: joonsang]
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For Bach, the French Suite #2 is one of my favorites, relatively easy and enjoyable to play with some touching moments. The Allemande is amazing.

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