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#2220054 - 01/24/14 01:12 PM Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound
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Here is the link for the new virtual piano introduced this week at NAMM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LNSWORhW-o

Play On!
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#2220065 - 01/24/14 01:26 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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Sounds good. Would love to see something on the specs and the price.
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#2220271 - 01/24/14 09:09 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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I imagine the specs and the price will be similiar to the other pianos offered by VI Labs.
http://vilabsaudio.com/

I personally think they should offer a special introductory price for anyone who pre-orders.


Edited by chicolom (01/24/14 09:12 PM)
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#2221966 - 01/28/14 04:14 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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Anyone noticed the muted notes feature assigned to MIDI CC 70 on the screenshot:



What's behind that?

Will we finally be able to play Dodge the Dodo and the like on a virtual piano wink !?!?


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#2223972 - 02/01/14 02:51 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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The pre-order page is up, and they ARE doing a pre-order discount. I already have their American and Italian Grand, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to pre-order this too as I'm going to buy it eventually anyways.

http://vilabsaudio.com/Ravenscroft-By-VI-Labs

Check out Ruslan Sirota playing it at NAMM. Sounds great!




Edited by chicolom (02/01/14 02:52 AM)
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#2223973 - 02/01/14 03:01 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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Goodness me, this chap can play!
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#2223975 - 02/01/14 03:09 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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Indeed!

And what a great way to grab demos for your product (having some pros at NAMM play it for you).
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#2224012 - 02/01/14 05:43 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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Nice style mix, I want to play like him.
Who can teach me this? laugh

Brief from wiki:
By the age of 16, he was the "wunderkind" keyboardist for the then-popular Israeli jazz fusion band, "Confusion". With Confusion, he toured Israel and made several appearances at the Red Sea Jazz Festival.[3]
At 18, Ruslan auditioned for the Berklee College of Music, where he received full tuition scholarship, and moved to Boston in January 2000. During his studies at Berklee, Ruslan displayed growing interest in R&B, funk and soul music, playing with local artists and eventually becoming the resident keyboardist in a club called "Wally's Jazz Café".[3] Circa 2004, Ruslan joined the Stanley Clarke band[4][5] and moved to Los Angeles, thus marking the beginning of his professional career.[6][7][8]
Since then, Ruslan has been touring, performing and recording with major artists (in addition to Clarke), such as Seal, Josh Groban, Ne-Yo, Chick Corea, Eric Benét, Marcus Miller, Dennis Chambers, Rachelle Ferrell, Diane Warren, Los Angeles Philharmonic and countless others. Ruslan released his self-titled debut album, featuring Clarke, Corea and George Duke as special guests, on October 24, 2011.


Edited by kapelli (02/01/14 05:47 AM)

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#2224013 - 02/01/14 05:45 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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Sounds great overall, but the middle registers sound a bit bright & harsh to me. I like bright, but a "silvery" bright - not a harsh bright. But, this problem goes away when I listen on cheapie headpones. What a fantastic demo though.

Just as an aside, it seems to me that real grand pianos have a rather slow release in the very low notes, making that "twang" sound as the dampers come to rest on the strings, and I hate that sound - I like crisp releases. I like the fact that this can be dialled out on emulated pianos. (I haven't noticed the twang in this demo)

Greg.

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#2224037 - 02/01/14 07:51 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Goodness me, this chap can play!


No question.

He might need a little help with his hair, though.
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#2224048 - 02/01/14 08:26 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: chicolom]
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Great playing by Ruslan Sirota indeed! The two recordings (Yesterday and "Nearness of You") on VI Labs' website also give a nice impression on the sound with fewer notes per minute smile

However, still no indications regarding the new features "muted notes" and "silent strike"...

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#2224053 - 02/01/14 08:38 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: dmd]
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Originally Posted By: dmd
Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Goodness me, this chap can play!


No question.

He might need a little help with his hair, though.

Agreed - he's no Franz Liszt!

Sounds great! Will Kawai be working on a velocity curve for VI Labs?
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#2224124 - 02/01/14 11:10 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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As the OP for this thread, I posted because I am interested in purchasing the Ravenscroft software. Before doing that though, I would love to hear from somone in the forums who has actually purchased the product, and can give us an honest evaluation. I realize that this may require some time and patience, and I am willing to wait for that evaluation. I noticed in the demo the VST was paired with the VPC1. I would be interested in hearing from users how it performs when paired with keyboards other than the VPC1. The pre-release promotion was well done, and the screen shots look amazing. I'm waiting for one of you to tell me, "I've played, I like it, here's why; or I've played it and here are the issues I have." Thanks in advance…
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#2224276 - 02/01/14 04:24 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Thomas B]
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Originally Posted By: Thomas B

However, still no indications regarding the new features "muted notes" and "silent strike"...


They're working on it:
"The Ravenscroft also added new features such as Silent Strikes and Muted Notes. We’ll demo these features in an upcoming video."


Edited by chicolom (02/01/14 04:24 PM)
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#2224278 - 02/01/14 04:26 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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Originally Posted By: HisKidd
As the OP for this thread, I posted because I am interested in purchasing the Ravenscroft software. Before doing that though, I would love to hear from somone in the forums who has actually purchased the product, and can give us an honest evaluation. I realize that this may require some time and patience, and I am willing to wait for that evaluation. I noticed in the demo the VST was paired with the VPC1. I would be interested in hearing from users how it performs when paired with keyboards other than the VPC1. The pre-release promotion was well done, and the screen shots look amazing. I'm waiting for one of you to tell me, "I've played, I like it, here's why; or I've played it and here are the issues I have." Thanks in advance…
H.K.


The product hasn't been released yet, so you'll have to wait until around February 14th for impressions.
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#2224284 - 02/01/14 04:42 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: chicolom]
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Quote:


The product hasn't been released yet, so you'll have to wait until around February 14th for impressions.


Chicolm, because I have been following the release of Ravenscroft religiously… I wrote this line in my prior post: "I realize this may take some time and patience, and I am willing to wait for that evaluation."

Hearing a demo by VI labs may be different from someone who has "hands on" experience with the new VST. I'll wait patiently to hear the forum evaluations, but do wish to encourage anyone who buys and tries to let us know what you think!

Cheers!
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#2224564 - 02/02/14 10:35 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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Wow, very impressive playing! I'll also be curious to opinions on this software, and how it compares to Pianoteq and Galaxy.
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#2224678 - 02/02/14 02:36 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Chrisl]
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Originally Posted By: Chrisl
Wow, very impressive playing! I'll also be curious to opinions on this software, and how it compares to Pianoteq and Galaxy.


... and Ivory II.
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#2224920 - 02/02/14 11:19 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: AZ_Astro]
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Originally Posted By: Chrisl
Wow, very impressive playing! I'll also be curious to opinions on this software, and how it compares to Pianoteq and Galaxy.


... and Ivory II.


I'll throw that one in too. This is kind of like buying a piano by shopping on how it sounds to you and an emotional connection.
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#2224936 - 02/03/14 12:19 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Will Kawai be working on a velocity curve for VI Labs?


I gather that we are in talks with a number of different software piano developers to prepare touch curves for new and existing packages. However, I'm afraid I cannot provide any concrete details at this moment.

I expect we will make any such announcement via the kawaivpc.com website and VPC facebook page (which is a great source for other VPC news by the way wink [/plug]) in due course.

Cheers,
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#2224939 - 02/03/14 12:42 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: chicolom]
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Originally Posted By: chicolom
The pre-order page is up, and they ARE doing a pre-order discount. I already have their American and Italian Grand, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to pre-order this too as I'm going to buy it eventually anyways.

http://vilabsaudio.com/Ravenscroft-By-VI-Labs

Check out Ruslan Sirota playing it at NAMM. Sounds great!



Agree this man is a virtuoso. But the piano sounds more like an electric acoustic than acoustic which I expect it is intended to do. I am surprised no one has mentioned it. I don't know enough about piano to pinpoint and describe it exactly but something about the sustain and tone is unnatural to my mind and ears. Maybe it is just what YouTube has done to the audio.

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#2225138 - 02/03/14 10:47 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
I gather that we are in talks with a number of different software piano developers to prepare touch curves for new and existing packages.


Awesome! This is along the lines of what I was hoping would happen. There should be a database of professionally prepared velocity curves from which you can download the ones you need and stuff them into your VPC1.

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#2226459 - 02/05/14 05:16 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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Wondering if anyone is currently using Pianoteq- that's the software I use- upon first listen, it sounds to me that Ravenscroft is better. Would love to know what anyone else who uses Pianoteq thinks as a comparison

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#2226470 - 02/05/14 05:32 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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I have used the demo version of Pianoteq 4.5 and ViLabs' Pianos (I have Truekeys American, and Ravenscroft seems even better), or Synthogy's ones (just bought American Concert D), have a much more realistic sound....
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#2226480 - 02/05/14 05:53 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Digitalguy]
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I have used the demo version of Pianoteq 4.5 and ViLabs' Pianos (I have Truekeys American, and Ravenscroft seems even better), or Synthogy's ones (just bought American Concert D), have a much more realistic sound....


I have used the demo version of Pianoteq 4.5 and X (any sampled piano) or Y (any other sampled piano) have a much more realistic sound ....
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#2226489 - 02/05/14 05:58 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Macy]
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So for recording purposes, you'd go with Ravenscroft over Pianoteq hands down?

thanks

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#2226495 - 02/05/14 06:04 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: Macy]
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Originally Posted By: Digitalguy
I have used the demo version of Pianoteq 4.5 and ViLabs' Pianos (I have Truekeys American, and Ravenscroft seems even better), or Synthogy's ones (just bought American Concert D), have a much more realistic sound....


I have used the demo version of Pianoteq 4.5 and X (any sampled piano) or Y (any other sampled piano) have a much more realistic sound ....


Sure Macy, Pianoteq is probably less realistic than any decent sampled piano, but I would not use "much" for any of them, I have come across some relatively poor sampled piano as well...
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#2226501 - 02/05/14 06:15 PM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: phrygian]
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So for recording purposes, you'd go with Ravenscroft over Pianoteq hands down?

thanks


I don't know if it's better than Ivory II American Concert D, but over Pianoteq yes, hands down...
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#2226823 - 02/06/14 08:02 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: HisKidd]
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There is some commentary somewhere that VIlabs used far fewer layers in their sampled pianos than (I think) Ivory II.
By all means check on this, but I think the statement was to the effect that VILabs used 8 or 10 compared to something like twice as many in Ivory II (~18 ?).

I don't know how much this matters, i.e. if interpolation adequately covers the "gaps", whether or not it is true, if it would be a deal breaker, etc.
It might just be a competitive specsmanship thing (-:

The pre-release discount is $50, when I told them that I don't have their other 3 pianos they said I could get another $50 off in a 4-for deal, i.e. $450 for all 4.

Hang up;
I hate Dongles and have avoided anything/everything that requires them since the hey day of the Amiga (& Atari).
It isn't JUST the ~$50 penalty, it is the whole THING about having to PAY money to a third party in order to break into software that I pay for in full (I have also somehow "paid" for the "seal" that the dongle (functionally) breaks for me).
There is a statement on their web site that they can now authorize their product(s) on owners' hard drives, which seems to remove the need for a dongle.
I move around a lot between Linux(fave) and Windows(because I HAVE TO) and macs, both virtual and physical machines, so it looks like a dongle would still be needed for me.
Not at all sure that it would "pass through" to a virtual machine, but that is part of the headache.




Edited by R_B (02/06/14 02:27 PM)

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#2226882 - 02/06/14 10:40 AM Re: Ravenscroft by VI Labs… First Look and Sound [Re: R_B]
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There is some commentary somewhere that VIlabs used far fewer layers in their sampled pianos than (I think) Ivory II.
By all means check on this, but I think the statement was to the effect that VILabs used 8 or 10 compared to something like twice as many in Ivory II (~18 ?).


That's correct. Ivory American D has 20 layers while VI's offering have half that or less. Filling in the gaps would be one possible implication, though it's not clear how many layers are really necessary if you are using timbre smoothing methods. The bigger concern with VI labs is the lowest and especially highest velocity layers sampled. If they don't cover enough range (as some people have said) then when you try and play fff you will end up with blood on your keyboard and still lack the timbre you were seeking.

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Hang up;
I hate Dongles and have avoided anything/everything that requires them since the hey day of the Amiga (& Atari).
It isn't JUST the ~$50 penalty, it is the whole THING about having to PAY money to a third party in order to break into software that I pay for in full (I have also have to pay for the "seal" that the dongle (functionally) breaks for me).
There is a statement on their web site that they can now authorize their product(s) on owners hard drives, which seems to remove the need for a dongle.
I move around a lot between Linux(fave) and Windows(because I HAVE TO) and macs, both virtual and physical machines, so it looks like a dongle would still be needed for me.
Not at all sure that it would "pass through" to a virtual machine, but that is part of the headache.


I'm with you on hating the dongles. VI labs changed the way their ilok protection worked so that you can authorize your hard drive instead of a physical dongle, so if you only use one computer you don't need to get an ilok. Not sure if there's a solution for your scenario. Because they changed their copy protection policy, I almost picked it up, but in the end I was disuaded by mixed reviews of the product. I like my current situation too much to spend more on something that may not be better.

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