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#2222141 - 01/28/14 09:04 PM Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800?
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These seem to be the newest Stage Pianos on the market. Has anyone tried both of these, and compared them?
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#2222297 - 01/29/14 04:10 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Musical Dan]
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Yep ... they are both very very good indeed. Comes down to which sound do you prefer.
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#2222310 - 01/29/14 05:00 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Yep ... they are both very very good indeed. Comes down to which sound do you prefer.

... and how strong you are!

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#2222314 - 01/29/14 05:05 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Musical Dan]
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The Roland is 9 pounds heavier ... not enough to make a real difference.
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#2222353 - 01/29/14 07:22 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Yep ... they are both very very good indeed. Comes down to which sound do you prefer.


Which did you prefer the sound of? I've heard videos of both and Roland didn't sound that great, but it looks like yamaha still uses stretching. Haven't had a chance to test either yet (don't even think RD800 is even in Australia yet).
I'm in no rush though, (if Kawai brings out something soon that would be nice for more options... Seems like they should be about due to bring something new), although Kawai seems to have a history of being quite heavy.
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#2222355 - 01/29/14 07:30 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Musical Dan]
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New Kawai is very heavy 35kgs or something. I usually prefer the sound of the Yamaha but the stretching/looping puts me off ...its 10yo technolnogy. The Rolands Studio Grand is perfect ! Based on a Yamaha of course ... as for the RD800 not being in Australia ...it's not in stores yet but it is here.
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#2222549 - 01/29/14 12:57 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Musical Dan]
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The only thing that matters in a digital piano is whether it has solid wooden keys. The $2600 RD800 does not have solid wooden keys and you can't even get it in the back seat of a car. If Super Natural actually made a difference, the CP4 wouldn't be currently outselling the RD700nx by a very wide margin.

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#2222554 - 01/29/14 01:03 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Musical Dan]
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Slightly off topic, but helpful for sound comparison between CP4, RD700NX, and Artis.

https://soundcloud.com/sonic-sense-pro-audio/sets/kurzweil-roland-and-yamaha
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#2222665 - 01/29/14 04:23 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Marco, thanks. Just what I needed!
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#2222704 - 01/29/14 05:20 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: StarvingLion]
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Wow! The only thing that matters is wooden keys? Really? Sound, action, weight are irrelevant?
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#2222709 - 01/29/14 05:27 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Originally Posted By: Marko in Boston
Slightly off topic, but helpful for sound comparison between CP4, RD700NX, and Artis.

https://soundcloud.com/sonic-sense-pro-audio/sets/kurzweil-roland-and-yamaha



Pianos sounds:
1. CP4
2. Kurzweil
3. Far Below - Roland

Anybody agree, disagree?

But I'm in love in the RD800 sound posted in another thread, but the way the sound was recorder can change everything in our reception of it.


Edited by kapelli (01/29/14 05:30 PM)

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#2222711 - 01/29/14 05:31 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Musical Dan]
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RD700NX Studio Grand was already very good. If they made the RD800 even better , the keybed more quiet (!) and a tad lighter , it promises to be a very good board and IMHO superior to the CP4 which is more 'Rompler like' in sound signature (stretched / no significant resonance effects and dynamic harmonic details). Also I assume the RD still has the tone-wheel organs on board v.s. CP4 organs that are sample based. But the CP4 shines in compact design, good keybed combined with low weight and a totally different piano sound, which you may prefer. They both look plastic ; the RD700NX and older CP series had much more class and style. Try and see what you like. They are essentially both good. Don't let marketing terms like wooden keybed, wooden parts or looks be leading in your decision, you either like the feel and connect with the instrument or you don't . For me SN + PHAIII had a very good and delicate keybed to sound connection , but the SN sound could be over-exaggerated in the bases (muffled) and not so 'natural' in the hights + the PHAIII keys we're very noisy. If the RD800 is indeed improved and the key-thumping is gone these disadvantages are history. Only hands-on can prove that (a few sound-demo's on youtube won't tell you the whole or true story !). I hope for Roland they nailed it , since they seem to be a bit on the defense the last few years.


Edited by JFP (01/29/14 05:32 PM)

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#2222712 - 01/29/14 05:33 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Coker]
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Originally Posted By: Coker
Wow! The only thing that matters is wooden keys? Really? Sound, action, weight are irrelevant?


You know who's posting , don't you ;-)

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#2222739 - 01/29/14 06:45 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: JFP]
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"You know who's posting , don't you ;-)"


I guess I'm not an insider on this joke...
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#2222783 - 01/29/14 08:17 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: StarvingLion]
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Originally Posted By: StarvingLion
The only thing that matters in a digital piano is whether it has solid wooden keys. The $2600 RD800 does not have solid wooden keys and you can't even get it in the back seat of a car. If Super Natural actually made a difference, the CP4 wouldn't be currently outselling the RD700nx by a very wide margin.


Geeze your a tool !
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#2222786 - 01/29/14 08:24 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Musical Dan]
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The Artis btw has two really interesting things about it.
The new German grand is fantastic and probably the best purely sampled AP available on a DP.
The keybed is the worst weighted keyboard I've played on a top of the range DP.


Edited by Dr Popper (01/29/14 08:25 PM)
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#2222831 - 01/29/14 09:50 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Dr Popper]
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Yeah the Artis was brutal. Again, I thought the sample was excellent but no matter...the board was just not fun to play at all. I hope Kurzweil can come up with a keyboard with at least the Fatar action that's on the Nord Piano..that would be much more appealing.

I can't weigh in comparison wise on the 800 since I just played it at NAMM under probably less favorable conditions then at the GC with a Roland amp...and that's saying something. wink

The two times I've played the CP4 , I've been impressed enough to want one. cool
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#2222901 - 01/30/14 12:58 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Musical Dan]
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I was really excited about the CP4 and was considering that as a possible replacement for the NP2 for the outstanding action and even less weight...albeit, not much less. But alas. I was terribly disappointed with the sound. It reminded me instantly of the same tired and dated sound Yamaha has been using that I heard from my old P80. I'm actually just going to hold out for either the Nord Piano 3 or pony up for the Nord Stage 2EX or 3, whatever they call it. I'm sure the next Nords will have 1GB of RAM, further improved features on already top notch feature sets. It's quite difficult to jump ship from Nord! laugh That's partly why I was so disappointed in the CP4. I was hoping for it to blow me away. The sound definitely didn't. The Nord's Yamaha samples sound more alive and authentic than Yamaha's own samples! YMMV of course.
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#2222906 - 01/30/14 01:19 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: PianoZac]
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Originally Posted By: PianoZac
I was terribly disappointed with the sound. It reminded me instantly of the same tired and dated sound Yamaha has been using that I heard from my old P80.


That's because it IS the same tired dated sound from the CFIIIs they have been using for years but I'm surprised you didn't like the CFX ? Even with all the awful Yamaha stretching and looping It's a very nice sounding piano and very different to the traditional Yamaha sound.
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#2222927 - 01/30/14 03:27 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
The Artis btw has two really interesting things about it.
The new German grand is fantastic and probably the best purely sampled AP available on a DP.
The keybed is the worst weighted keyboard I've played on a top of the range DP.


Yes. In the new CUP home piano version they use both the new piano sample AND the pretty OK Fatar TP40Wood keybed. Why they chose to use the inferior TP100 in the Artis remains a mystery to me . TP100 boards tend to have an advantage in low weight , but even that doesn't count for the Artis which is still pretty heavy overall. Kurzweil might consider an Artis V2 , with lightweight cabinet design (plastic ?) , FATAR TP40W 3 sensor keybed and perhaps add some string resonance simulations to the piano sample. That would make it really competitive in the field. For now the CP4 / RD800 / Artis is won easily by the first two ; in the first place because of the superior keybed in Yammie and Roland.

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#2223175 - 01/30/14 01:44 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Musical Dan]
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There is the TP400 as well which they could have chosen. This is the TP40Wood but with plastic keys.

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#2223233 - 01/30/14 03:54 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: PianoZac]
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Originally Posted By: PianoZac
It's quite difficult to jump ship from Nord! laugh

Exactly. As far as the sounds and the user interface are concerned... let's keep silent about the action wink

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#2223330 - 01/30/14 08:45 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: PianoZac]
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Originally Posted By: PianoZac
It's quite difficult to jump ship from Nord! :



If they had a decent action instead of awful and 4 times the memory maybe it would be ... but as they stand Nord's are extremely limited tools. Great for stage, lousy for everything else.
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#2223355 - 01/30/14 10:09 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Musical Dan]
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My next board will be an Artis.
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#2223392 - 01/30/14 11:26 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: daviel]
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Originally Posted By: daviel
My next board will be an Artis.


Unplayable ...
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#2223406 - 01/31/14 12:04 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Originally Posted By: daviel
My next board will be an Artis.


Unplayable ...


I'd just say...not fun to play. I'd play it first David before getting one.

A top notch player can make most anything sound good on a gig. The Artis certainly falls within those *most anything* parameters but it would be far from my first choice.


Edited by Dave Ferris (01/31/14 12:57 PM)
Edit Reason: added thought
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#2224032 - 02/01/14 07:11 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Musical Dan]
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Ive been searching for the perfect stage piano for a while and was hoping for something more from kawai and nord at the Namm-show. For now its down to rd800 or cp4. The cp4 is a little more slim size and that can be important when it comes to loading it in my car.
The Roland seems to have the better organ and that is also something I think is important.

I was hoping for a Kawai mp7, because the mp6 seems to have a lot what I seek but Ive never tried one. And the kawai mp6 is almost half price if I you compare with roland and yamaha. That keeps me wonder, if it is so much cheaper, can it really be as good?
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#2224099 - 02/01/14 10:04 AM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Yep ... they are both very very good indeed. Comes down to which sound do you prefer.


If we forget about the internal sounds, but focus on key action and realistic/satisfying piano feel, how do these two respective stage pianos compare to the much heavier Kawai boards such as the VPC1 and the MP10?

In other words, what's the upside to spending almost as much $$$ on a controller only (VPC1) or on the both pricier and heavier MP10(MP11?)? In terms of key action, what (if anything) are we compromising by getting either the CP4 or the RD800 instead?
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#2224419 - 02/01/14 10:34 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Psychonaut]
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Originally Posted By: Psychonaut
what (if anything) are we compromising by getting either the CP4 or the RD800 instead?


Not much, I personally far prefer the lighter more playable actions of the Roland or Yamaha to the Kawai. The Kawai action is trying too hard to be very piano like as isn't as playable as the others.
If I had my pick I'd get the RD800 for action but the CP4 is very close.
Its really a matter of playing them and choosing the one that suits you best personally.
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#2224422 - 02/01/14 10:45 PM Re: Yamaha CP4 vs Roland RD800? [Re: Musical Dan]
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To me, the MP6 feels pretty similar to Yamaha's GH (i.e. P155/P255, CP33/40/50). The MP10 is very different. It's a heavier action, but also somehow "elegant" feeling, if that makes sense. If you prefer lighter actions, though, Yamaha CP4 and Roland RD800 would be lighter than the Kawais.

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