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#2225313 - 02/03/14 05:46 PM Is this something to be concerned with?
Jorge Andrade Offline
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Guys, I just came across this on my piano, it looks like both sides of the stretcher are separating from the body of the piano, I gently pulled on it but it feels tight, is this something I should be
concerned about? I'm honestly kind of freaking out and don't really know what to do, I need some advice, is the stretcher more of a cosmetic purpose than structural or am I in serious trouble here?
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#2225464 - 02/03/14 10:17 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Jorge Andrade]
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The pictures and/or my eyesight is unable to provide enough detail to see what the complete condition is that you are concerned about.

It might be that the finish is only cracking and/or it might be movement in the wood. If the piano was just moved and the cracks appeared immediately upon delivery-then maybe it was handled roughly.
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#2225507 - 02/03/14 11:47 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT]
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I apologize, it's more likely my pictures than your eyesight to blame here, but anyhow, the stretcher has separated from the body of the piano, it's more noticeable on the right side but both sides did it, you mentioned movement of the wood, most likely the change in humidity I think, the piano hasn't been moved in almost 2 years, I live in Las Vegas so I have a room humidifier but it's really really really hard to keep the humidity above 40%, sometimes it fluctuates between 35 and 50, so that could have done it, but I'm really worried that this separation of the stretcher might cause somethng else to fail, if you look closely there's a line right under the gap, taht's a crack that developed on both sides, I really don't know what's going on, but at this point I don't know what to do.

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#2225547 - 02/04/14 01:44 AM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Jorge Andrade]
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Jorge,

it is a bit difficult to tell what exactly we are looking at. Maybe a picture from a bit more distance would give some perspective that might help. Show a bit more of the piano structure?

I know from past posts that the piano started life in Georgia and certainly Las Vegas is a major departure from that climate. (Assuming it to be the Bosy)


Edited by Dale Fox (02/04/14 01:51 AM)
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#2225548 - 02/04/14 01:45 AM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Jorge Andrade]
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What is a "stretcher"?

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#2225643 - 02/04/14 08:16 AM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: ando]
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The stretcher is the case part, on a grand, that runs in front of the pin block and plate, from inner case to inner case; often holding part of the lock.
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#2225645 - 02/04/14 08:19 AM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Craig Hair]
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Originally Posted By: Craig Hair
The stretcher is the case part, on a grand, that runs in front of the pin block and plate, from inner case to inner case; often holding part of the lock.


Ah, thanks Craig. I've seen that part, but never knew the name for it.

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#2225843 - 02/04/14 04:06 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Dale Fox]
Jorge Andrade Offline
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Hi Dale, how have you been? It's still the same Bosie, I've uploaded a few more pictures to the album, can you guys please take a look and let me know what you think?

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#2225851 - 02/04/14 04:22 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Jorge Andrade]
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You haven't mentioned yet but I figured that this particular problem you are having has not affected the sound or the playing in any shape or form, correct?

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#2225861 - 02/04/14 04:36 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Herr Weiss]
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I don't believe it has, or at least I haven't noticed a difference in the sound or the playing, my real worry is that, this piano being older is not like the newer ones where the stretcher is merely a plank of wood, on mine there's an oval design and the treble section is very wide so there's a big portion covering the pinblock, if the pinblock is attached to it I dont' want all this "movement" to affect it.

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#2225862 - 02/04/14 04:36 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Jorge Andrade]
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From what I can tell, it looks like a significant separation.





Edited by OperaTenor (02/04/14 04:37 PM)
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#2225883 - 02/04/14 05:12 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Jorge Andrade]
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It is not going to affect the playability of the piano, nor any of the rest of the structure. Other pianos are made with removable stretchers. Fill it up and touch up the finish over it.
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#2225972 - 02/04/14 07:18 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Jorge Andrade]
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Originally Posted By: Jorge Andrade
Guys, I just came across this on my piano, it looks like both sides of the stretcher are separating from the body of the piano, I gently pulled on it but it feels tight, is this something I should be concerned about? I'm honestly kind of freaking out and don't really know what to do, I need some advice, is the stretcher more of a cosmetic purpose than structural or am I in serious trouble here?

It's difficult to tell from your pictures. Or from any pictures, for that. It is probably more cosmetic than structural but I'd suggest you have a competent piano technician look at it.

If you in Las Vegas you might call David Chadwick. I don't know him all that well personally but at the PTG convention held there a couple of years ago he did some work for a company I was consulting with and he did very good work. And he did it without complaining about the poor working conditions -- quite rare, indeed.

ddf


Edited by Del (02/04/14 07:22 PM)
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#2226023 - 02/04/14 09:16 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: ando]
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Steinway NY calls it the "cornice".
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#2226379 - 02/05/14 02:43 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Jorge Andrade]
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Moving this instrument from Georgia to Vegas is an interesting study in wooden frame structures and how they react to moisture retention and release.

After viewing the photos a separation in that area of the instrument would not be my primary concern; I would be looking in far more important places for that kind of thing. Not attempting to alarm the OP but pianos have a lot of important joints to inspect if this kind of moisture- loss- activated separations are appearing.
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#2226955 - 02/06/14 12:33 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Jorge Andrade]
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Thank you all for your input, it has definitely been very challenging to try and keep this piano up, I have a room humidifier installed, however, the thing works non-stop 24 hours to try and keep it at 45-50%, most of the time it fluctuates between 35-50% (during the winter time - summer time I'm lucky if I get 30% because of the AC) which I think it's causing more harm than good, I'm almost tempted to just fill the room with pots and plants instead, the noise of the humidifier drives everyone crazy and honestly I don't think it's doing the piano any good, the crack on the soundboard still opened up more and now I have little cracks on the finish and this separation on the stretcher, it's been 2 years now you'd think the piano would be done acclimatizing but that seems not to be the case, the piano is in the front room and the open layout of my house probably doesn't help either but there's nothing I can do about that, well, I guess I'll just enjoy this instrument till it is no more.

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#2226960 - 02/06/14 12:39 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Silverwood Pianos]
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Funny you'd mention that, I had a fine furniture restorer come by and check out the piano to give me a quote on refinishing it and he said the same thing, the piano started in New Jersey, then moved to Georgia, then Las Vegas, this piano has covered some miles!

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#2226983 - 02/06/14 01:22 PM Re: Is this something to be concerned with? [Re: Jorge Andrade]
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Flowering plants, boiling pots of water, (with spuds, or not) hanging wet clothing on a rack to dry in that room will all help.

Reads like the humidifier is too small for the room, if it is running continuously. Maybe the room door is being left open and the humidifier is struggling to moderate the air flow to other places.
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