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Originally Posted by JoelW
What did he play?

He played whatever it is that he plays. ha

And BTW, it's not just "playing" (need I say) -- it's a whole "performance."

It started out with him doing a fairly extended percussion thing in the middle of the intro, then getting up and doing the singing/dancing/whatever. And there were at least two contrasting "songs" (I think that's the right word for this). grin I don't know about this kind of stuff, so I can't tell you what it was or if it was good, but I didn't mind it grin ....and I found his whole thing very impressive and very well done -- and anyway it was clear that he wasn't screwing up or "ruining his career." ha He's a multi-talented, poised, dynamic and charismatic performer.

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Agreed. It was a great performance and was well executed. Mars is a skilled performer and a good man it seems too.


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Originally Posted by JoelW
What did he play?

He played whatever it is that he plays. ha

And BTW, it's not just "playing" (need I say) -- it's a whoe "performance."

It started out with him doing a fairly extended percussion thing in the middle of the intro, then getting up and doing the singing/dancing/whatever. And there were at least two contrasting "songs" (I think that's the right word for this). grin I don't know about this kind of stuff, but I didn't mind it grin ....and I found his whole thing very impressive and very well done -- and anyway it was clear that he wasn't screwing up or "ruining his career." ha He's a multi-talented, poised, dynamic and charismatic performer.

And a good songwriter too. By the way, feel free to call that stuff "songs". It's not like the audience calls it anything different. grin

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When did the S.S.B. first moosh into 4/4 time?

Luckily it slid back to 3/4 in a fit of reality!


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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
When did the S.S.B. first moosh into 4/4 time?

Luckily it slid back to 3/4 in a fit of reality!


What in the world are you talking about, Marty?


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For as long as I can remember, I've heard and played the National Anthem (S.S.B.) as written in 3/4 time.

Fleming sang the first half in 4/4 time. A number of Bowls ago, there was a truly bad pop singer who did the same thing.

I'm not into variations on the Anthem.



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Ah. S.S.B. "Star Spangled Banner."

I thought we were talking about the half-time show, which was all divisible by two.

The arrangement and execution of the national anthem sounds very broadway, if you ask me.

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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
For as long as I can remember, I've heard and played the National Anthem (S.S.B.) as written in 3/4 time.

Fleming sang the first half in 4/4 time. A number of Bowls ago, there was a truly bad pop singer who did the same thing.

I'm not into variations on the Anthem.



I didn't like it either. I'm not American, but your anthem is probably the greatest one on Earth and I felt offended for you guys when I heard this. the 4/4 time was bad enough, but the extra bar after each 8 bar verse made it sound extra cheesy/Hollywood. The anthem should be predictable and strong, and in 3/4 time - not a guessing game about when each phrase starts and when the syllables of each word will finally tumble out of her mouth.

As far as her voice went - that is a singer well past her prime. She actually sang a lot of it in falsetto (listen to the major 6th interval at 1:33-1:34). I think they need to bring in a proper singer in his/her prime and keep it simple. That's what people really want to hear. The song they learned in elementary school.

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For as long as I can remember, I've heard and played the National Anthem (S.S.B.) as written in 3/4 time.

Fleming sang the first half in 4/4 time. A number of Bowls ago, there was a truly bad pop singer who did the same thing.

I'm not into variations on the Anthem.



I didn't like it either. I'm not American, but your anthem is probably the greatest one on Earth and I felt offended for you guys when I heard this. the 4/4 time was bad enough, but the extra bar after each 8 bar verse made it sound extra cheesy/Hollywood. The anthem should be predictable and strong, and in 3/4 time - not a guessing game about when each phrase starts and when the syllables of each word will finally tumble out of her mouth.

As far as her voice went - that is a singer well past her prime. She actually sang a lot of it in falsetto (listen to the major 6th interval at 1:33-1:34). I think they need to bring in a proper singer in his/her prime and keep it simple. That's what people really want to hear. The song they learned in elementary school.


I don't even understand why they do it - sing and play the anthem at sporting events. Do they think people don't know what country they are in and need the reminder, for some obscure reason?



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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
For as long as I can remember, I've heard and played the National Anthem (S.S.B.) as written in 3/4 time.

Fleming sang the first half in 4/4 time. A number of Bowls ago, there was a truly bad pop singer who did the same thing.

I'm not into variations on the Anthem.



I didn't like it either. I'm not American, but your anthem is probably the greatest one on Earth and I felt offended for you guys when I heard this. the 4/4 time was bad enough, but the extra bar after each 8 bar verse made it sound extra cheesy/Hollywood. The anthem should be predictable and strong, and in 3/4 time - not a guessing game about when each phrase starts and when the syllables of each word will finally tumble out of her mouth.

As far as her voice went - that is a singer well past her prime. She actually sang a lot of it in falsetto (listen to the major 6th interval at 1:33-1:34). I think they need to bring in a proper singer in his/her prime and keep it simple. That's what people really want to hear. The song they learned in elementary school.


I don't even understand why they do it - sing and play the anthem at sporting events. Do they think people don't know what country they are in and need the reminder, for some obscure reason?


It's a tradition and it sets the mood. Why have previews at the movies when I can see whatever previews I want at home? It's just part of the whole process and makes for a better experience (besides the obvious goal of marketing). I think this also explains why I agree with ando that a more traditional performance would be better. The fireworks are probably not necessary either but why not? grin

(I did not bother to watch the game btw)

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I'm not offended by someone doing an arrangement of the SSB that's faithful to the spirit of it, and doing it in 4/4 is unusual -- but not per se bad.

I'm also a fan of Renee Fleming and was glad to see an opera singer get this gig.

All that said, this version didn't work for me. I had hoped for something a lot better.


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It's interesting to hear the viewpoint of a non-USA citizen. Did you know that most Americans think that "America the Beautiful" is our National Anthem? Well, at least it's easier to sing.

I have always found an anthem as a waltz, made up of prepositional phrases, to be rather odd. No to mention that it is not easy to sing for the average countryman.

Eons ago, when I was in H.S., I was in an orchestra which was charged with performing the National Anthem of Afghanistan. That was long before the current version. We were confronted with a score notated in 6.5/8 time.

Once you recovered from the shock, and "felt" the rhythm, it was fun!


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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
....made up of prepositional phrases....

They're not prepositional phrases, they're rhetorical questions, or something like that. grin

BTW I didn't know either what you meant by "SSB." IMO most abbrevs are a WOT.

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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
It's interesting to hear the viewpoint of a non-USA citizen. Did you know that most Americans think that "America the Beautiful" is our National Anthem?


I know mine is a relatively small sampling, but I don't know anyone who thinks that, but most people I know wish it. It's a much better tune.

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....I don't know anyone who thinks that, but most people I know wish it. It's a much better tune.

Sure, but I don't think "better tune" is one of the better criteria for a National Anthem!

I think grandeur. While the Star Spangled Banner isn't my favorite national anthem, I love it, and I love hearing it -- even more so when I'm out of the country (which isn't often, but I mean whenever it is). smile

"America, the Beautiful" wouldn't quite do it. Although maybe it's just because of decades of knowing it not to be the national anthem....

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Well, when it comes to Super Bowls, I tend to focus on names I recognize, rather than some singer with whom I'm not familiar, performing in a genre that I find unappealing. So, I concentrated on Fleming.

Actually Mark C, they are prepositional phrases. Have some fun diagraming/parsing that incredible run-on sentence.

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Originally Posted by Minnesota Marty
....they are prepositional phrases....

How?
(Prepositional phrases start with prepositions.)

Maybe you mean propositional phrases.... ha

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Propositional phrases should not be used in public situations! (Except, maybe a bar.)


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