Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!
10 year old kid is not capable of making that up on the go.
I'm not criticizing his playing, for what it is. I'm simply pointing out that it's not truly jazz because he memorized exactly what to play beforehand. There's plenty of examples of young musical prodigies - mostly they tend to end up playing classical music, so the only unusual thing about this one is the genre.
How you came up with these assumptions I have no clue. You are saying a 10 year old kid can't improvise? I have personally taught kids younger than that to improvise. Now not on the level which Joey is doing, but definitely created on the spot.
And how can you say he memorized it, as fact. When you have no bloody idea what he's doing. This is shocking words coming from a "music educator". Tell me again how many children you've taught?
For you to even come to that conclusion shows you don't know anything about jazz. why would anyone memorize exact notes and regurgitate it. The spirit of jazz is freedom and improv. Clearly the kid is expressing that in his playing.
Your analysis baffles me and makes me wonder what you are listening to in his playing, and if you think someone is incapable of making that up on the go. Clearly you don't play much jazz yourself.
True genius will always have it's detractors.
"Most pianists are poor musicians, they dissect music into bits-and-pieces, like a roast chicken" -Debussy
Michael isn't even a troll, I think he honestly believes what he says. Just that he hasn't listened to enough jazz to really know.
The thing is he is trying to give music education on his website but from his comments here I am not sure he is qualified to teach, if his ears can't distinguish between real improv and memorized playing.
Michael, have a look at Art Tatum's biography, Too Marvelous for Words - you'll enjoy it, hopefully, and learn more about his genius as a young, blind player, during a time quite different than what we have today. We don't want to derail the enjoyment we are finding here.
This thread remains about contemporary, amazing, young jazz players we discover.
The problem with this discussion is that we don't have any way to test the premise. If there were different recordings of him doing the same tune, and each time he's playing it differently, then this would indicate he is actually improvising.
I listened to Round Midnight again and I'm convinced he memorized this beforehand. He plays exactly how any child prodigy who memorized a classical piece would play.
I listend to Armando and some of the RH lines seem like they could be improvisation, but again there's no way to verify this.
Of the three tunes, Giant Steps has the most improvised sound, I'm referring to the RH lines here. But it's difficult to say because it's easy to memorize a bunch of licks and bebop lines. Again, we would need him to play the same same song back-to-back (two or three takes) and compare them.
I mean, we could possibly end this discussion once and for all by contacting someone who would know and simply asking if Joey Alexander improvises this stuff.
Just enjoy the music and marvel at the talents. ALL musicians have their favourite licks and lines that they use. If you listen to Oscar Peterson alot of his improvs have the same feel. Listen to Herbie, Chick, Miles, and you can hear similarities in various renditions of songs.
I am quite sure that Joey is playing improv based off the melody, like all good jazz musicians do. I highly doubt he bothered to memorize entire lines note for note. Real jazz players know.
I am quite sure that Joey is playing improv based off the melody, like all good jazz musicians do. I highly doubt he bothered to memorize entire lines note for note.
Yes, after comparing two Giant Steps, I'm of the same opinion.
Glad you came to your senses. Although it shouldn't have taken a comparison of 2 videos to come to that conclusion. As I said you can tell just listening to his playing.
And your comments about 10 year olds aren't capable of doing that...hmm, don't be so quick. Sure, most probably can't but in today's world of youtube anyone can get access to all the great jazz players of past generations.
If you could play like either one of them who cares. Or I guess you're one of those vain people who only cares about superficial things. A comment like that shows the true ugliness of your heart. Think about that.
It's humbling watching these kids , they are the stars of the future, simply amazing. Let's face it anyone with this talent is way ahead of us mere mortals just like the ones that have gone before them,Tatum , Evans, Hancok, Corea , Jarrett etc.