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#2226057 - 02/04/14 10:52 PM Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here
gauguin Offline
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Registered: 02/04/14
Posts: 11
Updated on Feb 6, 2014

Hi,

I am thinking about whether to get a Kawai ES100. I like the price-point, i.e. I don't want to go beyond $800 at the moment.

There haven't been many impartial reviews I could find on the internet. So I would like to invite you to

- post links to reviews you know
- if you are an owner share your experiences - what other model in the $500-$800 range should I think about?

Reviews
I am aware of these reviews/impressions (there are others here or there but these posts are the most comprehensive)

- http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2161106/Kawai%20ES100.html

- http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2210705/1.html

- http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2192390/Re_The_DPBSD_Project.html#Post2192390

- here is a nice and detailed review but it's in polish! I google translated it here.

- A partial review is on the wholesale webpage azpianonews here.

Issues?

- Hey no USB port?! No problem. It has a MIDI in and out so just get a MIDI to USB adapter like this on for under $6 with free shipping and you are sorted.

- Latency Kawai F-10H pedal have too much latency/delay. Daniel Richter, an ES100 owner, reports issues with very long delays.
Has this been sorted out yet in the new wave of ES100? May be Kawai James knows more? It would be good to know which model numbers have this issue so that we can check the model number before making a purchase. E.g. BHPhoto now has the ES100 in stock for $799 with free shipping and I would like to know whether they have the latency issue or not.

- Sticky keys Some models have sticky keys. Daniel Richter suggests here here to call Kawai and they can give instructions. Kawai seems to think it is not a permanent problem. Anybody else have this problem. Daniel Richter reports here that a friend got instructions to fix it. It would be good to know what they were. Will update as soon as I find out.

- Dying keys Carkar had a frustrating experience with unresponsive or dying keys. See his/her descriptions and videos here.. See also Carkar's post below.. In the end s/he opted to return the unit and went for a Yamaha P-255, however, this is a $500 step up when new. The Casio PX-350 is a strong substitute. On a personal note all else equal I prefer the esthetics of the ES100 to the Casio PX-350 (fewer buttons).

My analysis so far regarding these issues
Should we worry here about Kawai's production and quality control for an entry model like their ES100. Perhaps they lack experience or use different production lines and quality control on their cheaper models?
If early shipments have the latency, sticky keys, or dying keys problem it is more than likely that getting a replacement from the same store might suffer from the same problems. It would be a good idea to first call the store you bought it from to make sure the store gives you a more recent shipment. If they are not cooperative report the store here.


Feature discussions

- Key action technology. The ES100 benefits from the same key action tech as more advanced Kawais like the ES6, EP3 (US only), CN22, CN32, CN42, CL26, CL35, KDP80, KDP90, CN14, CP119. [Thanks Kawai James!].


I appreciate your support and comments. Given that Kawai ES100 is such a strong yet new product it would be good to have the impressions and reviews in one place.

Gauguin


Edited by gauguin (02/06/14 08:53 AM)

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#2226281 - 02/05/14 11:13 AM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
gauguin Offline
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Videos

Some videos of people playing the ES100.

- Playing. Is it me or does it at times sound tinny? http://youtu.be/fB46HlmTs-M

- Testing key action, release noise and voices http://youtu.be/JuhpXgFsDqs


Edited by gauguin (02/05/14 01:17 PM)

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#2226506 - 02/05/14 06:22 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
carkar Offline
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I had owned the Kawai ES100 for about a month, until I returned it do to the pedal issue. While I had it, it was definitely a nice piano, then again, many DP's are. I was not so experienced in DP's and so I bought off of a reaction to an online review that raved about it. After I received, and it malfunctioned, I went out and tried MANY digital pianos. I would have to say that I preferred the Casio PX 350 to the kawai. Now, I just got my Yamaha P-255, which is in a different league than both of these, it is simply awesome.

Fun Fact: I joined this forum because of the ES100 (questions i had, etc), so something good definitely came out of it, because this site is awesome!

Here's a link to my post: http://www.pianoworld.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/2205900/Help:_Dying_keys_on_digital_pi.html


Edited by carkar (02/05/14 06:25 PM)
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#2226841 - 02/06/14 08:49 AM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: carkar]
gauguin Offline
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Hi Carkar,

thank you for sharing this. I updated the first post to reflect your experience. Let me know if I reflected it fairly or if I missed something. Comments welcome so I can update it.

Regards,

Gauguin

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#2226901 - 02/06/14 11:15 AM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
gauguin Offline
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Regarding the issues mentioned above (sticky/dying keys and latency)...

I checked with BHPhotovideo com to see when they received there current batch of ES100 DPs and what the model numbers are to know if they are the first or more recent batches. The person on the customer chat told me:

"Unfortunately, there is no way of knowing.
If there are any issues with your keyboard, you can always exchange it. We would take care of shipping."

Hm....

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#2226909 - 02/06/14 11:24 AM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
grgisme Offline
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Registered: 01/04/12
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Loc: California
I received this response from Kawai US:

"The pedal issue has been resolved and I think it would be doubtful that a
dealer would have an early model with the problem now. However it would be
impossible to check accurately given the number of dealers."

"So while it's unlikely you would get an affected ES100 at this point if you
did have any issues with the pedal they can be resolved through the dealer
or Kawai's service dept."


Edited by grgisme (02/06/14 11:25 AM)

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#2226920 - 02/06/14 11:35 AM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: grgisme]
gauguin Offline
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Why no recall from Kawai for the "first" batch?
Thanks grgisme,
my message above from BHPhoto in a way confirms what you learned from Kawai directly.

Still one has to wonder: why didn't Kawai simply recall the first batch rather than us customers having to figure out whether the keyboard we just bought is a dud.

I am a little puzzled and disappointed as to the approach by Kawai here! Not in keeping with their reputation as being a worldclass piano builder.

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#2227444 - 02/07/14 12:56 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
Blitzn Offline
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Posts: 28
Loc: United Kingdom
Hi,

I have recently tried the ES100 and the Casio PX-350. My main criteria was the touch of the keys.

My thoughts:
I was underwhelmed with the PX-350. The action was just about acceptable to me and I didn't care much for the textured ivory and ebony feel which seems a bit tacky to me.

The ES100 had a much better feel and I felt it was a step up from the PX-350. The lack of a display did seem like it could be annoying when needing to edit functions.

The connectivity and USB recording functions on the PX-350 were enticing but I couldn't live with the feel - and the keys were very noisy on the PX-350 (this will drive my wife mad when I have my headphones in).

Hope that helps.
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#2227458 - 02/07/14 01:17 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: Blitzn]
gauguin Offline
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Hey Bltizn,

greetings from PA to England (oh bugger oh crumpet)...

Thank you for sharing these impressions - I liked the approach you took on comparing the two.

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#2227549 - 02/07/14 04:47 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
Blitzn Offline
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Hi Gauguin,

Thanks for the greetings!

I haven't tried anything else in this price range that I feel comfortable playing. I was inclined to buy the more expensive Kawai ES7 but the ES100 will keep me happy in terms of playability.

I also tried the Korg SP250 and SP280 and I would rate them lower then the Casio. This is just for the action only. I never compared the speakers etc and all the finer details i.e. sympathetic resonance (which I don't feel qualified to comment on).
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#2229230 - 02/10/14 09:10 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
Squall21 Offline
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Here's a quick impression of the Kawai ES100 from my own personal experience of owning one. I'll just list what I like and dislike about it so far.

Likes

Style: As a slab-type piano, you really can't be that much different in terms of looks. I do, however, love the clean look of the dash as the buttons only appear on the left side of the board. I also like how the speakers aren't visible to ruin the 'acoustic' look.

Action: The action was very important when it came to finding a decent piano and having a low price point with it. Out of all the ones I looked at at my price point, I decided to choose this one and I haven't regretted since.

Sound: I couldn't have asked for a better sounding simulation of a grand piano and the strings sound amazing too. The speakers aren't crazy loud, but they're clear and it's sufficient for the living room.

Dislikes:

Lack of outputs: Other than the Midi-In, Midi-out, 2 headphone jacks, pedal, and power output, everything else is missing. It would have been very useful if I had a USB output and a Line-out as well.

Functions: it's impossible to change reverb, resonance, etc. without checking the manual. There's no screen to show you what piano sound you're on. Gotta keep my manual handy.

Overall: There are definitely compromises when looking at this piano with its price value, but Kawai does a good job with it by leaving the best parts in and the optional stuff out. 8/10.


Edited by Squall21 (02/10/14 10:20 PM)

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#2229243 - 02/10/14 09:28 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: Blitzn]
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Originally Posted By: Blitzn
Hi Gauguin,
I also tried the Korg SP250 and SP280 and I would rate them lower then the Casio. This is just for the action only. I never compared the speakers etc and all the finer details i.e. sympathetic resonance (which I don't feel qualified to comment on).


I recently had a chance to compare a korg SP250 and SP280 side by side in a shop. I was stunned at how horrible the action felt on the SP280. The older SP250 had a much better feel. Why would korg downgrade the action so terribly? I mean of all the places to pinch pennies, that's just about the worst choice they could make. I would also rate both of them lower than the current line of Casio's. I've yet to play any of kawai's digitals, but hope to get a chance to do so soon, because they really seem to put a lot of thought into the design of their actions.
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#2230516 - 02/12/14 05:08 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
Blitzn Offline
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Squall21 - I couldn't agree more with you about your review of the ES100!

Fizikisto - The SP280 I tried was so terrible that I thought the display model must have been broken. I only later learned that they downgraded the action - I can't understand their logic on this one.
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#2232010 - 02/15/14 11:31 AM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: Blitzn]
gauguin Offline
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Hi there,

thank you for those impressions and valuable reviews.
Regarding connections (only one MIDI out and two headphone outs) I see the argument that it would be more convenient to have a USB out straight out of the box but there are cheap and reliable MIDI to USB adapters.

My question then is: did the limited connections on the Kawai ES100 inhibit or restrict you from doing something so far? It would be great if you could share and report a scenario here you encountered.

Thanks,

Gauguin

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#2232250 - 02/15/14 08:05 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
Squall21 Offline
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Originally Posted By: gauguin
Hi there,

thank you for those impressions and valuable reviews.
Regarding connections (only one MIDI out and two headphone outs) I see the argument that it would be more convenient to have a USB out straight out of the box but there are cheap and reliable MIDI to USB adapters.

My question then is: did the limited connections on the Kawai ES100 inhibit or restrict you from doing something so far? It would be great if you could share and report a scenario here you encountered.

Thanks,

Gauguin


I haven't gotten around to researching how the Midi-to-USB adapter would work and how much they cost. Unless I used software like Pianoteq or a synth, the connection is rather useless to me. From what I know, Midi-to-USB does not transfer the Kawai's audio sample so I technically cannot record using that connection alone. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

To answer your question, it isn't so much of a 'restriction' and more of an 'inconvenience'. I can still record my play to a computer, but the only way I can do that is through an headphone jack connected to the microphone jack of my computer. There are factors like the volume, quality of the jacks and cable that can contribute to how crisp my audio is going to sound.

I can still get the job done, but I'm sure you can see how having a USB-out would make this task a lot easier. I mean, I could spend another $400~ more for the p255 (probably more in Canada). Although it may be worth it, it's not another 400 I want to spend (at the moment).

Audio through the headphones sound great by the way. However, I was wondering if anyone else had the issue of some of the sound (instruments) not sounding properly through the headphones. For instance, one of the electronic piano sounds is simply too quiet for the headphones. It is completely fine through the buildin speakers. Let me know.

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#2232800 - 02/16/14 08:26 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
Kawai James Offline
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Good morning,

Information regarding the ES100 pedal latency mentioned above can be found at the following page:

http://www.kawai.co.jp/worldwide/support/es100.html

Kind regards,
James
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#2238486 - 02/27/14 01:58 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: Kawai James]
SJ88 Offline
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Hi,

I'm new here so bear with me. I've been looking for a piano that I can use at home and for occasional gigging and I've almost decided on buying an ES100 but I have some questions.

I haven't been able to try one out but I've tried the KDP90, which apart from being in a cabinet has the same action and sound source but better speakers (from what I understand). Is the KDP90 a fair reflection of what I can expect the ES100 to feel and sound like?

Another question I have is regarding the lack of line outs. I'm completely clueless technologically so could someone tell me with how much trouble would using the headphone outs cause me when connecting to external speakers, PA system..? I'm told the quality would suffer at least. On the subject of speakers, where are they in the ES100?

Finally, am I able to use a MIDI keyboard controller to connect to play the sounds from the ES100 and have them come out of the speakers or line outs of the ES100?

Thanks in advance.

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#2238552 - 02/27/14 03:11 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: SJ88]
pwl Offline
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Originally Posted By: SJ88
Another question I have is regarding the lack of line outs. I'm completely clueless technologically so could someone tell me with how much trouble would using the headphone outs cause me when connecting to external speakers, PA system..? I'm told the quality would suffer at least.

Using the headphone jacks is not ideal from a convenience standpoint, but the quality doesn't necessarily have to suffer. If you're not satisfied with the results, using a small, inexpensive mixer between the headphone output and the external speakers/PA system should provide an improvement.

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#2238554 - 02/27/14 03:20 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
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KDP90 and es100 felt the same to me, and the KDP only sounded a bit better cos of the obvious cabinet based reasons, so yes.

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#2238693 - 02/27/14 06:40 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: SJ88]
Kawai James Offline
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SJ88, welcome to the forum.

Originally Posted By: SJ88
Is the KDP90 a fair reflection of what I can expect the ES100 to feel and sound like?


Yes, as you note, they share the same core keyboard and sound technologies.

Originally Posted By: SJ88
On the subject of speakers, where are they in the ES100?


They two speakers are directly below the top panel, on the left and right side.

Originally Posted By: SJ88
Finally, am I able to use a MIDI keyboard controller to connect to play the sounds from the ES100 and have them come out of the speakers or line outs of the ES100?


Yes. Conversely, you can also use the ES100's keyboard action to control another MIDI device.

I hope this helps.

Kind regards,
James
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#2255828 - 04/02/14 08:32 AM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: Blitzn]
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Originally Posted By: fizikisto
I recently had a chance to compare a korg SP250 and SP280 side by side in a shop. I was stunned at how horrible the action felt on the SP280. The older SP250 had a much better feel. Why would korg downgrade the action so terribly? I mean of all the places to pinch pennies, that's just about the worst choice they could make.

Originally Posted By: Blitzn
Fizikisto - The SP280 I tried was so terrible that I thought the display model must have been broken. I only later learned that they downgraded the action - I can't understand their logic on this one.

It might be that they could not profitably sell a model with RH3 at the desired price point.

See http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2567780/2/Jerry_the_K_Mike_Martin_keyboa
and look for the posts by jerrythek and The Piano Man.

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#2256501 - 04/03/14 08:34 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
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I've been noticing alot of people are leaning toward the kawai es100 over yamaha. One question, would you purchase a Yamaha p155 (I know they have been replaced with the 255), if you had a Chance to? This will be my first digital piano.

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#2256544 - 04/03/14 10:09 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: Mac2010]
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Originally Posted By: Mac2010
I've been noticing alot of people are leaning toward the kawai es100 over yamaha. One question, would you purchase a Yamaha p155 (I know they have been replaced with the 255), if you had a Chance to? This will be my first digital piano.


I bought a P155 last month and I love it. I never found a store to test the Kawai ES100, so I ended up going with the Yamaha. I really enjoy it, I play it a few hours every day. I would not hesitate to buy it again. I actually prefer the sound of it over the P255.

I was looking to get back into playing again a couple of months ago since I took about 5 years of lessons when I was a kid. I initially bought the Yamaha NP11 in December, but quickly found out that was a bad mistake as the piano sound was terrible (like a toy), the keys were unweighted, and I couldn't learn some songs I wanted because there weren't enough keys! I did a little research and then bought the Yamaha P105. Well it wasn't bad but I was not quite satisfied. The sound wasn't everything I hoped for and the bass notes did seem overpowering. I did some more research and listened to hours and hours of youtube videos and posted on this forum. I returned the P105 after 1 week and bought the P155.

Again, I never tested the ES100 but I absolutely love my P155 and have no regrets buying it.

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#2311924 - 08/06/14 12:30 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: lang15]
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While this thread has not been active for quite some time, I could't help commenting because recently I've been shopping for a new digital piao to replace my Yamaha P-155.

After reading many reviews on this site and others, I've decided on getting on the Kawai ES100. It seems odd because, price point-wise, it seems like a step down.

But my biggest hang-up with the p-155 has been the action. While I have never had a problem actually playing it, most times I switch over to an acoustic, it seems I have to readjust because the action on the p-155 seems a tad heavy.

While, even though I live in L.A and can't find a Kawai ES100 to test out, I'm convinced that switching to the ES100 will be a step up for me, in terms of my needs.

I did consider the Kawai ES7 and the Roland F130R for awhile, but I don't need all the bells and whistles.

That said, I think the p-155 is great people with great sound. And I 100% agree that the P-105 (which I also previously owned) was really boomy on the lower keys).

But action, as subjective as it is, is not to my liking and I'm looking forward to my new relationship with the ES100.
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#2311937 - 08/06/14 01:11 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: Sushi Hammer]
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Originally Posted By: Sushi Hammer
...... my biggest hang-up with the p-155 has been the action. While I have never had a problem actually playing it, most times I switch over to an acoustic, it seems I have to readjust because the action on the p-155 seems a tad heavy.

While, even though I live in L.A and can't find a Kawai ES100 to test out, I'm convinced that switching to the ES100 will be a step up for me, in terms of my needs.

I did consider the Kawai ES7 and the Roland F130R for awhile, but I don't need all the bells and whistles.

That said, I think the p-155 is great people with great sound. And I 100% agree that the P-105 (which I also previously owned) was really boomy on the lower keys).

But action, as subjective as it is, is not to my liking and I'm looking forward to my new relationship with the ES100.


But are you sure the ES100 will be less heavy than your Yamaha GH action? I may be wrong, but I thought Kawai's RH (on the MP6) to be heavier, if anything, than Yamaha GH. I know that the ES100 has an older action, called AHA IV-F which could be substantially different from RH, or not.

On the other hand, the action on the Kawai ES7, (RHII) is really nice, as is their pro-end GF action smile
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#2311948 - 08/06/14 02:05 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
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You'd be far happier with the es7.IMO. It's one of the few pianos l'd consider swapping mine for.
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#2311953 - 08/06/14 02:21 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: toddy]
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Hard to say for sure, since nobody in town has a ES100 for me to play around with. I'm just going by Tim's review at AZPianoNews. I realize that not everybody agrees with his opinions, but after spending many hours reading other peoples' impressions, it seems a good bet that the action of the Kawai is what I'm looking for.

If I'm wrong -- hey I still wind up with a great keyboard.
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#2311954 - 08/06/14 02:22 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
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I have not played the ES7 or the ES100, so I cannot comment on the feel. However, you said something here that I'd like to address:

Quote:
I did consider the Kawai ES7 and the Roland F130R for awhile, but I don't need all the bells and whistles.


A lot of people say the same thing: they don't need all the other stuff, just a great action and sound. However, DPs are built to meet the desires of as wide a client base as possible. So with those people that are more demanding of the action and sound, they also may be more of a professional and thus do need the "bells and whistles" (really, what DP comes with these two sounds in particular, I have no idea :P ). At any rate, when you move up in price point, you will get a lot of what you may not need, but you also get the better action and sound that will not be found on lesser-priced models.

So yes, you end up paying for features you may never use, but it's unavoidable except in certain cases like the Kawai VPC1 which is as bare-bones as you can get and for a very specific market. So the only solutions are: go with a used DP so you spend less but get a couple years old top of the line model, bite the bullet and get the action and sound and then use as much of the other features to make yourself feel better about the cost if you have to, or compromise on your desires for a great action and sound.

Considering that your biggest gripe with the P155 was the action, I'd think long and hard about buying a DP without testing the action first. Only you can determine if the ES100 will be an improvement, or if you need to look at the ES7 and other models.
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#2311956 - 08/06/14 02:28 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: peterws]
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Yes -- in fact, I recently made friend over at Kawai and he says without a doubt, I would have zero regrets about spending a few more bucks on the ES7.

I was, in fact, very close to deciding in favor of the ES7, until I thought about the insanity of plunking down $2500 for something I can't try in person.

Hopefully, Kawai broadens their dealer network for digitals.
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#2311958 - 08/06/14 02:35 PM Re: Kawai ES100: let's collect reviews and impressions here [Re: gauguin]
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That's a very well said general statement from Morodiene: the quality of digital pianos dramatically increases in basic qualities: piano sound and touch, as you go from basic/ budget models, up to the mid-range models. I believe most people on this site would consider the mid- and mid-high range to give the best satisfaction, quality and value for money in digital pianos.

Also, I would add that the common practice of almost denigrating 'bells and whistles' by new buyers may be a little misplaced. You might really benefit from well designed and implemented sounds, recording facilities, improved amplifiers and speakers and more professional interface options. These are, I take it, the famous 'bells & whistles' of which are so often spoken....


Edited by toddy (08/06/14 02:37 PM)
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