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#222740 - 08/17/07 12:56 AM Steingraeber 130 upright
hv Offline
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Registered: 10/18/04
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Loc: Cape Cod
Got a chance to see a Steingraeber 130 upright last night that my piano tuner had in his shop on loan which he was gracious enough to let me photo and record before he returned it today.





And here's a back view showing the recording mic which I measured off at a location 16 inches from the sound board.



I recorded from the back the way I usually record uprights and consoles using a point-source x-y configuration mic setup with a couple Aurelex foam panels to control ambient reflections... and in a piano shop probably the only way to keep all the other nearby pianos off the tape.

Ok, here's the 3 pieces I had a chance to record:

Ole Miss my WC Handy

Alaskan Rag by Joe Lamb

Belle of Louisville by Frank French

... all played by my wife Sue.


Here's a closeup of the recorder and stereo mic I used. The shop owner happened to have a Zoom recorder which I placed on top of mine for comparison:



For those that need to know I understand this piano has a list price of around 38K. I don't know how well I picked it up, but the piano struck me as having a wonderful bass tone.


Howard

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#222741 - 08/17/07 01:38 AM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
turandot Offline
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Howard,

I guess if you were ever going to make the argument that a vertical's touch and action could be as good as a grand, this might well be the piano that you might use to make the argument.

What did your wife think of the touch?

One more question: Do you use those foam panels whenever you record a vertical?

Thanks
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#222742 - 08/17/07 01:53 AM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
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Fantasic Thread! - Many thanks to you, your wife and tech.

Great playing Sue!

This is the kind of stuff we need more of on PW, a true class act presentation.

Regards,
Steve Ries
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#222743 - 08/17/07 02:10 AM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
hv Offline
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Hi, turandot. Sue plays allot of verticals and doesn't usually have any difficulties with either type of action, generally. She did mention that the touch of this particular one was OK... not particularly heavy or light. But I think she prefers the touch of her Steinway console which she characterized as more responsive. But that ones much older... broken in, worn out, and recently rebuilt to her satisfaction.

I tend to use those foam panels whenever I can for studio recording. I usually surround a grand with them. With uprights, I just use a couple in the rear.

Howard

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#222744 - 08/17/07 09:11 PM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
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Howard,

Does your wife have a site with her playing the Steinway upright? I would really like to hear that if she does. By the way, what Steinway upright does she play?

Thanks much,
Steve
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#222745 - 08/17/07 09:42 PM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
hv Offline
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Hi, Steve. I only ever recorded it once before. A few years ago for Ax's guess the piano thread.

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/14474/3.html#000056

Here's a quick link to the recording:

http://pianorecital.org/zxc/a06.mp3

But I've been meaning to re-record it. I just got the action back last week which finally completes the rebuild. Another thread, coming soon.

{EDIT: Steinway Console Recordings }


Howard

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#222746 - 08/18/07 12:48 AM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
Stevester Offline
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Howard and Sue,

That is great! - more please. What piece is Sue playing in this last post?

Thanks much,
Steve
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#222747 - 08/18/07 01:29 AM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
ChickGrand Offline
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Registered: 05/02/03
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Loc: Midwest U.S.
I thoroughly enjoyed those, but must confess, I missed Sue's wonderful voice and went back and listened to "Solace" on the Fazioli afterwards. (Keep posting these. I'm collecting. \:\) ) That recording of "Solace" is one of my favorite recordings among my 60,000 or so bits. Great voice and impeccable phrasing. Wonderful playing, too.

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#222748 - 08/18/07 02:18 AM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Stevester:
Howard and Sue,

That is great! - more please. What piece is Sue playing in this last post?

Thanks much,
Steve [/b]
Steve :

It's a jazzed-up version of the "Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy" from Tchaikovsky's The Nutcracker.

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#222749 - 08/18/07 01:02 PM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
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Many thanks Bruce.
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#222750 - 08/18/07 01:29 PM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
vippo Offline
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Registered: 02/02/07
Posts: 292
Loc: Sterzing (Italy)
I had the opportunity to try one at Passadori pianoforti and I have to say that if I was spending almost the money I'm spending on my future Förster on an upright, this would be the one \:D

no, seriously, it is a great, great upright, but it also comes at a price... if I remember correctly, list price was about € 24.000, which is a price range where you start looking at some more than acceptable grands...
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#222751 - 08/18/07 02:36 PM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
hv Offline
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Loc: Cape Cod
BruceD's spot on... the piece from the other thread was arranged by Jon Jensen in a stride style which he titles Sugar Plum Strut. Jon plays upright bass for the Baltimore Symphony and also composes for the piano.

Sorry, Chick, no vocals this time. Sue's saving them up for a big tribute project that's on deck. Used the same mics this time as on the Fazioli recording, btw.

I'm hoping my piano tech will get a Steingraeber grand in one of these days...

Howard

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#222752 - 08/18/07 04:08 PM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
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Registered: 03/17/05
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Loc: boston north
Man, can Sue play!

Just a comment about the piano though...

I don't think that some of the best characteristics of the Steingraeber upright can be heard. Nothing to do with Sue.

I can hear the rich tones and the wonderful deep bass that I know a Steingraeber upright can have, having tested/played one at PianoCraft. I think slower more melodic and sustained note pieces bring out what I heard as its advantages.

I did find its touch took a bit of getting used to, but once I did, I could control and get the tones that I so desired. Maybe now that I am back into playing after a decade or more of not playing when there, I might find that I would adjust to it more easily. I would love to play one again. It surely was beautiful and in contention for purchase before my switch to purchasing a MH grand.

I also got to play their Steingraeber Concert Grand. That memory will always stay in my mind. Nothing that I have ever played has come close to that richness.

Might I once again play that one (hint hint, Bill!).

I am wondering HV, how your tech happened to have one 'on loan'? LL
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#222753 - 08/18/07 04:18 PM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
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wonderful thread, hv! Thanks for taking the time and effort to post the photos and recordings. This is the first time I've heard a Steingraeber, to my knowledge, so that is a special treat. \:\)
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#222754 - 08/18/07 04:36 PM Re: Steingraeber 130 upright
hv Offline
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Registered: 10/18/04
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Loc: Cape Cod
Hi, Lilylady. Getting recordings to sound even half as good as a live piano has been my life long dilemma. He said he had it on eval for a week or so from a dealer/distributer. I don't know about his usual market, but I know I hustled in just to see it. Really was a work of art.

Howard

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