Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician
SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Ad (Piano Sing)
How to Make Your Piano Sing
Who's Online
141 registered (accordeur, anotherscott, anamnesis, Alkanaut, 36251, 36 invisible), 1680 Guests and 12 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Topic Options
#2231192 - 02/13/14 09:10 PM 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ?
HomeyCat Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/13/14
Posts: 13
Loc: Idaho
I'm about to buy a 1993 Baldwin L S/N L319954 for $9,000. Apparently, this is at the tail end of the period the pianos were made in Ohio. The piano has had just one owner, has not been moved. It's got a satin finish, is slightly out of tune, but has been maintained by the same tech since it was purchased. Any idea whether this seems like a fair price ?

Top
(ads 568) Hailun Pianos

 

#2231197 - 02/13/14 09:30 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
terminaldegree Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/03/06
Posts: 2820
Loc: western Wisconsin
If the piano is in good condition, that's not a bad price.
Any serious seller of a piano worth several thousand dollars would do well to have the piano serviced by a good technician prior to showing it to potential buyers. How can you fairly evaluate the tone of a piano when it isn't in tune?

Have you called the technician who services the piano to ask about its service history and condition? Are the bridges (sometimes troublesome on Baldwins from that period, if memory serves) in good shape, and is the pin block and soundboard free of issues? Was the piano in an extremely dry environment that can hurt its longevity?

As you can see, there are a lot of things to consider, which is why an independent tech inspection is often suggested for used pianos.
_________________________
Pianist, teacher, internet addict.
Piano Review Editor - Acoustic and Digital Piano Buyer
Casio px-200, Bechstein A190 #192939 @ home
Steinway A #585209, B #416809 @ work
Schimmel 130T #339100, on loan

Top
#2231199 - 02/13/14 09:33 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
Ed McMorrow, RPT Online   content
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/09/12
Posts: 2423
Loc: Seattle, WA USA
You should have the piano inspected by a piano technician that you trust who has no connection to the seller.

If the piano has no problems and less than 20% wear-$9K is a very favorable value for a pianist. Don't know where you could get more piano for the same or less cost.
_________________________
In a seemingly infinite universe-infinite human creativity is-seemingly possible

Top
#2231209 - 02/13/14 10:05 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
beethoven986 Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/20/09
Posts: 3371
In good condition, that would be a fair price. Do have it inspected. Also, Baldwin stopped making pianos in Ohio well before 1993... by several decades.
_________________________
B.Mus. Piano Performance 2009
M.Mus. Piano Performance & Literature 2011
PTG Associate Member
Certified Dampp-Chaser installer

Top
#2231224 - 02/13/14 10:54 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 7439
Loc: Rochester MN
Hi HomeyCat - Welcome to Piano World!

If the piano passes a thorough inspection, I agree that it would be a good price.

B-986 questioned where the piano was built, and he is correct that it would not have been built in Cincinnati. By the end of the 1950's, Baldwin was moving their production facilities to Arkansas. Eventually they also opened a plant in Mexico. If it is from Arkansas, that's good.

Your piano was built before the unfortunate reign of "The Soap Lady." It was a rather dismal period. But, the piano you are considering is before Baldwin went down the drain and those instruments can be very fine, indeed.

Keep us posted and ask all the questions you have.

Cheers,
_________________________
Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.

Top
#2232041 - 02/15/14 12:34 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
HomeyCat Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/13/14
Posts: 13
Loc: Idaho
Wow- thanks for the help. I appreciate the friendly tone of your responses.
I'm having my jazz teacher go with me to take another look at the piano tomorrow, and see what he thinks about the voicing, and instrument quality. I appreciate the feedback you've provided, and might see if I can find another tech to take a look at it.

Thanks again.
_________________________
HomeyCat from Idaho
1993 Baldwin L Grand

Top
#2232073 - 02/15/14 01:47 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
pianoloverus Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/29/01
Posts: 19644
Loc: New York City
Originally Posted By: HomeyCat
Wow- thanks for the help. I appreciate the friendly tone of your responses.
I'm having my jazz teacher go with me to take another look at the piano tomorrow, and see what he thinks about the voicing, and instrument quality. I appreciate the feedback you've provided, and might see if I can find another tech to take a look at it.

Thanks again.
Unless your jazz teacher is extremely knowledgeable about the insides of pianos, not having a tech inspect it is taking some risk I think. Your teacher could certainly help you evaluate the touch and possibly the tone(difficult if out of tune). For a 9K purchase on a used piano, I think $100-200 is a very worthwhile security investment.


Edited by pianoloverus (02/15/14 01:49 PM)

Top
#2232136 - 02/15/14 03:41 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
michaelha Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/05/13
Posts: 982
I just had a strange idea. All too common is this situation where the seller has an out of tune piano. And it's somewhat understandable. They're trying to make money from it, not spend money on it since there's a risk they don't sell it or it goes out of tune before they do and they have to do it all over again.

And we're always here saying "get a tech to inspect it..." Getting a tech to inspect it costs about $100. Getting it tuned costs about $100 ($135 in my town). Why not hire a tech to tune it. Would it be that much more effort for the tech to "inspect it?" My guess is a lot of it's visual, see if bridges are cracked, strings are rusted, etc...? They'll be hitting the keys while tuning anyway which I assume is part of the inspection. WDYT?

Top
#2232295 - 02/15/14 10:29 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: michaelha]
HomeyCat Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/13/14
Posts: 13
Loc: Idaho
Originally Posted By: michaelha
I just had a strange idea. All too common is this situation where the seller has an out of tune piano. And it's somewhat understandable. They're trying to make money from it, not spend money on it since there's a risk they don't sell it or it goes out of tune before they do and they have to do it all over again.

And we're always here saying "get a tech to inspect it..." Getting a tech to inspect it costs about $100. Getting it tuned costs about $100 ($135 in my town). Why not hire a tech to tune it. Would it be that much more effort for the tech to "inspect it?" My guess is a lot of it's visual, see if bridges are cracked, strings are rusted, etc...? They'll be hitting the keys while tuning anyway which I assume is part of the inspection. WDYT?

...and part of me thinks, I'm going to have a tech work on it after I buy it anyway, so I'm not really sure I want to pay for work to be done on it before I move it. I like how you think MichaelHa :-)
_________________________
HomeyCat from Idaho
1993 Baldwin L Grand

Top
#2232314 - 02/15/14 11:02 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 7439
Loc: Rochester MN
Hello again, HomeyCat.

Well, tomorrow is the big day. The best advice is to form your own opinion when you get to play the piano. If the tuning is not absolutely horrible, you will get a feeling for the piano and then decide if you want to have a technician do a thorough inspection.

Keep us posted and let us know your reactions and those of your teacher.

Have Fun !
_________________________
Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.

Top
#2233445 - 02/17/14 10:28 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
HomeyCat Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/13/14
Posts: 13
Loc: Idaho
Well, I bought it. Based on the history I knew about the seller and her piano student daughter (now grown and away) we figured it had probably been played most frequently from 1993 - 2000 about an hour a day. Since then had been played only occasionally, while remaining in a room with a north facing window.

My piano teacher really liked it, and pointed out some things to look for. He crawled underneath to look for cracks in the soundboard, examined the hammers for grooves in the felt, etc.

Here's a clip on YouTube. It sounds pretty good for being out of tune and recorded with my phone. (I'm not in the picture other than my voice). http://youtu.be/JBbT8GpHK2k

Top
#2233459 - 02/17/14 10:52 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
jdw Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/04/11
Posts: 1038
Loc: Philadelphia, PA
Congratulations! Looks and sounds lovely, and seems it's been lightly used.
_________________________
1989 Baldwin R
Currently working on:
Grieg, Papillon
Mozart, K 330
Brahms, Op. 118 no. 2

Top
#2233461 - 02/17/14 10:55 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: jdw]
HomeyCat Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/13/14
Posts: 13
Loc: Idaho
Thanks. Can't wait to have it in MY living room :-)
_________________________
HomeyCat from Idaho
1993 Baldwin L Grand

Top
#2233584 - 02/18/14 07:57 AM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
supersport Offline
Full Member

Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 422
Loc: Arkansas
People like seeing pictures, even of the delivery and set up. Just saying......


and congratulations.
_________________________
David




Top
#2233604 - 02/18/14 08:42 AM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
Minnesota Marty Offline

Platinum Supporter until October 5 2014


Registered: 05/15/12
Posts: 7439
Loc: Rochester MN
Congratulations HomeyCat!

You have found a fine instrument and that one really has the "Baldwin Sound."

Well, you shared the asking price, and even if there were no negotiations, you might have found the bargain of the century.

Now comes the worst part, waiting for delivery.
_________________________
Marty in Minnesota

It's much easier to bash a Steinway than it is to play one.

Top
#2233706 - 02/18/14 12:14 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
Rickster Offline


Registered: 03/25/06
Posts: 8585
Loc: Georgia, USA
Congratulations on the purchase of your Baldwin L... a fine piano!

Rick
_________________________
Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel

Top
#2233752 - 02/18/14 01:31 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: Rickster]
pianogranny Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/26/13
Posts: 101
Loc: Wisconsin
Congratulations! I am sure you will love your new piano and what a great price!
_________________________
Karen
Bachelor of Music -Applied Piano
Masters in parenting and grand-parenting
Freelance journalist
"Music is what feelings sound like"

1994 Baldwin R

Top
#2233763 - 02/18/14 02:02 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
bkw58 Offline

Silver Supporter until December 19, 2014


Registered: 03/14/09
Posts: 1847
Loc: Conway, AR USA
The L was a personal favorite. '93 was a good year at the Conway plant. Congratulations!
_________________________
Bob W.
Retired piano technician
www.pianotechno.blogspot.com

Top
#2241521 - 03/04/14 09:31 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
HomeyCat Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/13/14
Posts: 13
Loc: Idaho
Here it is- This things looks and sounds AMAZING in my living room :

Delivery and Setup: http://93baldwin.tumblr.com/post/79079191855

Ready to Play: http://93baldwin.tumblr.com/post/79079361924


Edited by HomeyCat (03/09/14 04:48 PM)
_________________________
HomeyCat from Idaho
1993 Baldwin L Grand

Top
#2243745 - 03/09/14 04:46 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: supersport]
HomeyCat Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 02/13/14
Posts: 13
Loc: Idaho
Here it is- This things looks and sounds AMAZING in my living room :

Delivery and Setup: http://93baldwin.tumblr.com/post/79079191855

Ready to Play: http://93baldwin.tumblr.com/post/79079361924


Edited by HomeyCat (03/09/14 04:47 PM)
_________________________
HomeyCat from Idaho
1993 Baldwin L Grand

Top
#2243768 - 03/09/14 05:27 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
Rickster Offline


Registered: 03/25/06
Posts: 8585
Loc: Georgia, USA
Great pictures!

The only thing missing was a recording of your playing! smile

Rick
_________________________
Piano enthusiast and amateur musician: "Treat others the way you would like to be treated". Yamaha C7. YouTube Channel

Top
#2243824 - 03/09/14 07:30 PM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: Rickster]
supersport Offline
Full Member

Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 422
Loc: Arkansas
Great looking piano-- I was hoping for a recording too!
_________________________
David




Top
#2244163 - 03/10/14 10:00 AM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
RickG1 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/09/10
Posts: 306
Loc: TX
You did well!! A great piano in a lovely room. You should have many, many happy years with that piano. As you can see, I have a Baldwin in my "stable". It is built like a tank.


Edited by RickG1 (03/10/14 10:02 AM)
_________________________
Mason-Hamlin "A"
Steinway "B"
Baldwin console

Top
#2244194 - 03/10/14 10:52 AM Re: 1993 Baldwin L 6'3"- Fair Price ? [Re: HomeyCat]
wimpiano Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/16/13
Posts: 1613
Loc: The Netherlands
Congratulations! Looks very nice!
_________________________
Schimmel 116 S ...

Top

Moderator:  Ken Knapp, Piano World, Rickster 
What's Hot!!
Christmas Header
Christmas Lights at Piano World Headquarters in Maine 2014
-------------------
The December Free Piano Newsletter
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Seiler Pianos
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Pearl River vs. Samick
by Zekk
12/21/14 03:41 PM
Kawai vs. Yamaha: what to choose
by SeeSharp
12/21/14 02:19 PM
Disklavier Pro Alternatives? C5X Value for money?
by bryan77
12/21/14 01:15 PM
piano sound is the result of more than just the hammer speed
by Keith D Kerman
12/21/14 01:05 PM
piano sound is the result of more than just the hammer speed
by Keith D Kerman
12/21/14 01:05 PM
Forum Stats
77388 Members
42 Forums
160044 Topics
2350257 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Gift Ideas for Music Lovers!
Find the Perfect Gift for the Music Lovers on your List!
Visit our online store today.

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission