Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician
SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
Ad (Piano Sing)
How to Make Your Piano Sing
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
134 registered (BabyCat, Anita Potter, AZNpiano, Auver, 47 invisible), 1429 Guests and 17 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Topic Options
#2231621 - 02/14/14 04:59 PM grade of difficulty and keys
Lorcar Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/05/12
Posts: 36
In the last few days I had my first encounter with an E major piece, supposed to be at the same level of other pieces I am learning. But I am struggling more than I thought, because of the 4 # I always forget or struggle to reach. So today I saw that file where many pieces are ranked in Grade order, and the level is in fact the same: grade 4.
How possible? Isn't supposed to be more difficult than a C major piece of the same level, simply due to the different key?

Top
(ads P/S)

Petrof Pianos

#2231634 - 02/14/14 05:28 PM Re: grade of difficulty and keys [Re: Lorcar]
JimF Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/08/09
Posts: 1828
Loc: south florida
Lorcar,

Unfamiliar doesn't necessarily add up to more difficult.

It may be that you just are less familiar with playing pieces in that key. Have you practiced E-major scales and arpeggios? How about just simple progressions like I-IV-V7-I? You may want to do those things for a short time every day for a week. That will put the E-major sound in your ears and put its shape in your fingers. Then you might not find the piece any harder than a similar work in C or G or F.
_________________________
Nessun dorma - G.Puccini
Solfeggietto - CPE Bach
La Fille aux cheveux de lin-Debussy



Estonia L190 #7284





Top
#2231650 - 02/14/14 06:04 PM Re: grade of difficulty and keys [Re: Lorcar]
Whizbang Online   content
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/27/12
Posts: 820
Originally Posted By: Lorcar
In the last few days I had my first encounter with an E major piece, supposed to be at the same level of other pieces I am learning. But I am struggling more than I thought, because of the 4 # I always forget or struggle to reach. So today I saw that file where many pieces are ranked in Grade order, and the level is in fact the same: grade 4.
How possible? Isn't supposed to be more difficult than a C major piece of the same level, simply due to the different key?


E major isn't hard. C major is hard.

Why?

With E major, you get texture. Those black keys are little mountains on the keyboard. You're looking at the score and moving your fingers and your fingers can soar into the huge spaces between the black keys and hit that C# or that F#! And you have your thumb, which is short, and likes to hit white keys, and your fingers, which are long and naturally hover over the black keys when your thumb is on the white keys, and you don't have to do any weird hand twisting.

C major. You move your hand forward to get your thumb up there and your long fingers are cramped. You're paying attention to the score and need to move your pinky up to hit a high note. Was it a G? or an F? They feel the same before you hit them! Or... you split a note and your pretty melody line goes splat. C major is a textural desert--a smooth surface that doesn't conform to your hand, that requires accurate placement (as does all piano), with a terrain that requires you to rely solely on completely accurate ESP to hit the note.

Those four sharps do take some adjusting to. It won't necessarily be fast (but some scale practice would make it faster--I with I'd realized that when I started), but you sort of end up loving the black keys and not being such a fan of the white keys as you continue with piano.
_________________________
Whizbang
amateur ragtime pianist

Top
#2231727 - 02/14/14 10:02 PM Re: grade of difficulty and keys [Re: Whizbang]
JohnSprung Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/02/11
Posts: 1646
Loc: Reseda, California
Whizbang has it exactly right.

C may be "easy" in terms of notation, because you don't have sharps or flats to mess with. But notation isn't what matters. Being able to get your fingers on the keys is what matters.

By far the easiest key is B major. Try playing the B and C scales, which is the easy and comfortable one?

I wish there were a way to upload PDF scores here, I've transcribed a little bit of Addinsell's Warsaw Concerto that has to be the easiest eight bars I've ever played, because he wrote it in B.
_________________________
-- J.S.

Knabe Grand # 10927
Yamaha CP33
Kawai FS690

Top
#2232588 - 02/16/14 01:07 PM Re: grade of difficulty and keys [Re: Lorcar]
Tubbie0075 Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/17/10
Posts: 544
Originally Posted By: Lorcar
. So today I saw that file where many pieces are ranked in Grade order, and the level is in fact the same: grade 4.


What did you mean by grade 4? Did you mean ABRSM grade 4? AMEB grade 4? Trinity College grade 4? or?

Anyway, I remember when I was learning under the ABRSM grading system that by grade 5, a exam candidate is required to play all the major and minor (either harmonic or melodic minor) 3-octave scales and arpeggios from memory (except E flat minor and F sharp minor arpeggios). So, E major for grade 4 is actually quite reasonable in that context.

Top

Moderator:  BB Player, casinitaly 
What's Hot!!
Christmas Header
- > Gift Ideas for Music Lovers < -
From PianoSupplies.com a division of Piano World.
-------------------
The December Free Piano Newsletter
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
Yamaha CP Music Rest Promo
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Seiler Pianos
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
(ad) Piano Music Sale - Dover Publications
Piano Music Sale
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Lester Betsy Ross Spinet- worth?
by cobalt60
12/19/14 08:22 PM
How deep into the tuning hammer should pin go?
by JoeThePro
12/19/14 07:37 PM
The friction, blubbering, and lost motion are eradicated!
by music32
12/19/14 07:15 PM
Merry Christmas
by MusicaMusique
12/19/14 06:45 PM
Problems with the forum
by Peter071
12/19/14 06:34 PM
Forum Stats
77362 Members
42 Forums
160001 Topics
2349612 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Gift Ideas for Music Lovers!
Find the Perfect Gift for the Music Lovers on your List!
Visit our online store today.

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission