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#2232039 - 02/15/14 12:31 PM Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late???
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Registered: 12/03/13
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Hi! I would like to participate in the recital today. I see that many have posted already and have made reviews. Did I miss it? Is it too late?

I have never recorded before. I have webcam on computer to make a recording. I also have midi cables too to attach to laptop. What is the best way to make a recording? How do I submit it? I am sure these things have been asked somewhere but I can not find instructions. Can someone direct me please?

Thank you!

P.S. Big kudos to the latest pianist who has been practicing for 3.5weeks and uploaded theirs. AWESOME!
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#2232053 - 02/15/14 01:02 PM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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The recital submissions are due before the 14th of the month every February, May, August, and November, but feel free to find the monthly Piano Bar threads and post your work there for critique or in the Member's Recordings sub-forum you can find through the "Our Most Popular Forums" link at the top of the page.

http://www.pianoclues.com/how-to-record-piano/

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#2232055 - 02/15/14 01:11 PM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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Also, although it's too late to participate in this recital, you might want to read the first post in the "call for submissions" thread since it has instructions and helpful links:

REcital 33 - Call for Submissions

Now you'll have the info and can start getting ready for the next recital!
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#2232061 - 02/15/14 01:20 PM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: ShiroKuro]
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What a bummer but I see now that ALL OF THIS INFO WAS POSTED!!! Wow I did not see this post. Well, NEXT TIME I will know. In the meantime I will check out Audacity and post what I was going to post in the First Time recordings section. Thank you both.
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#2232067 - 02/15/14 01:34 PM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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About recording, it depends on what kind of piano you have.

If it's acoustic or grand piano, a webcam might be enough, though something like Zoom H1 or H4 is preferrable for the sound, which would have to be synced to the video, if you want to submit a video, which you don't have to do. In my opinion, a webcam recording of a performance on an acoustic piano is usually just fine, soundwise, but on many digitals, it's not good enough.

In the case of a digital, most often you can record straight to the piano's memory, and sometimes on a USB memory stick. The format of the file recorded varies, if it's an MP3, you can just upload it to the recitals. If it's in the WAV format, you have to convert it to MP3 in Audacity, VLC media player, or another converting software.

If you are posting in the monthly piano bar, some like to upload to a third party site, like Soundcloud, Box or Dropbox, and post a link to the recording.

If you want to send a video as well, you're left with the problem of synchronizing sound and video, just as in the case of an acoustic piano.


Edited by TheodorN (02/15/14 01:46 PM)
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#2232120 - 02/15/14 03:15 PM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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You can still post your recording in the monthly piano bar. That is a great place to share your music.
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    #2232163 - 02/15/14 04:47 PM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
    therightmoment Offline
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    Thank you everybody. I just finished fanangling with everything and now I have my first recording done- FINALLY! LOL. Just in case anyone stumbled upon here and just wants a quick run down of what maybe to do- this was the most helpful resource for me (please go there for details): http://www.pianoclues.com/how-to-record-piano/

    But here is a quick run down-
    (I have a Kawai ES100 digital piano) It does not have outputs except 2 headphone jacks (and midi in and out) so..... I connected one headphone jack from the piano onto the laptops' microphone jack and installed AUDACITY (free) http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ That is what I used to record the song to the computer. I used the other headphone jack on the piano to listen to what I was playing through headphones. The volume on the piano was 1/4 I guess, and the input volume on audacity was .10 and on my computer the volume - mixer- setting for audacity was very low.

    When I was done recording the song 50 billion times, I ran the noise removal effect mentioned in the first link (piano clues) and cut the silence in the first and last part of the recording. I saved it in Audacity (just in case). Then I exported it into a .WAV file. Now to make the .WAV file into a .MP3 so that I can post it here (and other places online!!)

    I downloaded winLAME recommended by the author in the first link http://winlame.sourceforge.net/download.php From there I uploaded that .WAV and at the click of a button and 10 seconds later it converted it into .MP3

    Then I signed up for a free Box account (also recommended)to store my .MP3 song and make it available for all to hear. Listeners do not have to download it first to listen. https://www.box.com/home/

    So, in a gist that is what I did today. So... if you haven't recorded anything yet hopefully this helps. Once you get it all set up recording many songs will be a breeze (anything will be after all of this!! haha) I am glad I can now start making a record of my progress so far. Again, go to the first link for detailed info on how to get it all started. (If you are new to this like me!)
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    #2232167 - 02/15/14 05:00 PM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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    Oh and here is my song (I will post it in the first recording section and/or monthly piano bar section next) https://app.box.com/s/59t2hsz3ap7027jncfoo But I do not know how to make my recording louder.

    I ended up listening to it with either my headphones (but still volume is a bit low) or using an external speaker which I plugged into the laptop.

    I ran on AUDACITY- EFFECT-Normalize and it worked (no static this time). I guess after I got all the volume settings just right when I recorded it it was able to do it. So, here is the normalized version here which I will post instead elsewhere- https://app.box.com/s/na3prrw04519tof47eyx

    It is louder now that it is normalized- but any advice on how to get it even louder? Thank you!
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    #2232446 - 02/16/14 06:50 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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    You play well, I liked it. Thought the later recording had more background hiss or noise. It's possible that my USB soundcard is making some of the noise, there seems to be some background noise in eveything I listen to.
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    #2232905 - 02/17/14 01:33 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: TheodorN]
    therightmoment Offline
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    Thank you for checking it out TheodorN ... yes the later recording had the "Normalize" effect on it (through the Audacity program). I still need to tweak the settings when I record the next song. I know the song wasn't perfect, but I am happy the ice is broken :-)

    Have a great day
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    #2232913 - 02/17/14 02:10 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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    Originally Posted By: therightmoment

    When I was done recording the song 50 billion times, I ran the noise removal effect mentioned in the first link (piano clues) and cut the silence in the first and last part of the recording. I saved it in Audacity (just in case). Then I exported it into a .WAV file. Now to make the .WAV file into a .MP3 so that I can post it here (and other places online!!)

    I downloaded winLAME recommended by the author in the first link http://winlame.sourceforge.net/download.php From there I uploaded that .WAV and at the click of a button and 10 seconds later it converted it into .MP3



    Yeah, not many of us get a decent recording straight away. For me it can be hours of attempts but I think I am getting better.

    I didn't understand why you outputted from Audacity in a wav file and then used winLame. I use Windows 7 with Audacity I can export my recording straight to an mp3 file.
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    #2232915 - 02/17/14 02:18 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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    BTW Let My Words Be is gorgeous very well played. You may have missed the Feb recital but since this is your first submission you should post it here which will in turn resurrect an old thread and perhaps encourage a few more entries.
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    #2232999 - 02/17/14 08:31 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: earlofmar]
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    Originally Posted By: earlofmar
    I didn't understand why you outputted from Audacity in a wav file and then used winLame. I use Windows 7 with Audacity I can export my recording straight to an mp3 file.
    With Audacity, you have to install an mp3 encoder. Without doing so, you can not export straight to an mp3 file.

    http://audacity.sourceforge.net/help/faq_i18n?s=install&i=lame-mp3
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      #2233068 - 02/17/14 10:41 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
      jotur Offline
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      earlofmar - audacity does require winlame. But for me, anyway, once I downloaded it audacity knew where it was, and I don't have to do a separate step to use it. So when I choose "export as an mp3" it just does it. Maybe that's the way it's working for you, too.

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      #2233103 - 02/17/14 11:28 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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      And there's a good reason to keep your original recording in .wav form; it's uncompressed and higher quality, and if you ever want to burn your recordings to a CD (I do that every year to keep track of my progress), the resulting CD will have a lot better sound. thumb
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      #2233112 - 02/17/14 11:49 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: Monica K.]
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      Originally Posted By: Monica K.
      And there's a good reason to keep your original recording in .wav form; it's uncompressed and higher quality, and if you ever want to burn your recordings to a CD (I do that every year to keep track of my progress), the resulting CD will have a lot better sound. thumb


      I hadn't thought of burning a CD... quite like the idea! cool

      Of course I would like the first one to sound like the 10th or so will.... grin

      Really good and very cool idea to keep track of one's progress, thanks!
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      #2233126 - 02/17/14 12:12 PM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: evamar]
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      Boy, garageband is a heck of a lot easier to use wink

      Therightmoment, I too didn't enter the recital which I now regret. I had no idea of the range of players, and the data everyone tells about themselves and the piece. And I too just started playing in Dec. You have encouraged me to try recording a piece and post it Members Recordings. And btw, you played that piece very nicely!
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      #2233278 - 02/17/14 04:13 PM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: scorpio]
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      maybe someone here can help me.

      After my fiasco with the virus the other day I gave up on winLame...but today decided to give it one more shot.

      I downloaded and installed winLame as shown from the link above.
      I have a mp3 file that I have clipped with audacity and run noise cancel on. So now, in audacity, I go to file - export - and now the trouble begins....

      after hitting export I get a screen that says "no items match your search" in the main box, and in the bottom box shows "file name" "name of the file I have been working on" and "save as type" "mp3" -- ok so if I then hit the save button on that screen I get a warning that I'm about to export an mp3 file that does not have a .mp3 file extension on it, am I sure I want to. When I hit yes it says I need lame_enc.dll , I click ok and it says "could not open mp3 encoding library"

      edit to add: So, my clumsy surmise....I have Audacity, I have winLame, but they ain't talkin to each other. So, obviously I need to do something but I dont' know what. When I open the WinLame folder the only file in it is the Lame start file that launches the program....should I see a folder or file that says lame_encl.dll ???



      Edited by JimF (02/17/14 04:38 PM)
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      #2233325 - 02/17/14 05:46 PM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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        #2233337 - 02/17/14 06:04 PM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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        Yes, we're talking about two programs here, Lame and WinLame, these two are not the same. The Audacity wiki recommends Lame, for which the direct link is given on the Lame download page.

        http://lame1.buanzo.com.ar/Lame_v3.99.3_for_Windows.exe

        If you set this program up, you should be good to go.


        Edited by TheodorN (02/17/14 06:05 PM)
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        #2233559 - 02/18/14 06:34 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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        I haven't found time yet too make a good recording. I have been very busy and everything up till now was sound quality wise to bad (really, no fake excuse). I have to invest in a good recorder and find some time with no one around to do a good recording (baby and kid noises in a recording don't improve it).
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        #2233569 - 02/18/14 07:28 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: TheodorN]
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        As TheodorN says, they are 2 different programs. You need Lame to complement Audacity and allow it to export to mp3.

        But you don't need to do anything with Lame after you install it, you only work with Audacity. Open Audacity once you have installed Lame.

        When you want to save go to File>Export, then write the name you want, select mp3 or the format you want and click on Save.

        If you go directly to File>Save it will save as an Audacity project, and can only be opened with Audacity.
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        #2233650 - 02/18/14 10:21 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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        Just compared mp3 files of the same recording, one converted in Audacity, the other in FFmpeg. The mp3 made in FFmpeg had considerably less hiss and extra noise. Hitherto I've always encoded in FFmpeg, and in light of this, I'm going to continue doing just that.
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        #2233655 - 02/18/14 10:35 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: TheodorN]
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        I'll try that, thanks!
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        #2233660 - 02/18/14 10:48 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: wimpiano]
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        Originally Posted By: wimpiano
        (baby and kid noises in a recording don't improve it).


        Oh we've had much more than that in recital pieces! And we've had visual "noise", too! My favorite was when Mr. FarmGirl crawled across the screen trying to stay out of the way of the camera laugh But seriously, we all deal with stuff like that (well, I go directly from digital to computer) and it's fine. *You* might want a recording of *you* without it, but the rest of the folks in recitals are quite understanding. So don't worry about it very much, eh?

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        #2233661 - 02/18/14 10:49 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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        In general, Audacity is known to have noise issues. Specifically if you record directly into Audacity. I have three different DAWs (Mixcraft, Reaper, Audacity), Audacity recordings provide the least quality.
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          #2233662 - 02/18/14 10:53 AM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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          Feel it's right to tell you, FFmpeg is a command line software. That means there is no graphical user interface (GUI) and the commands are usually run in a socalled batch file.

          You can get the latest version of FFmpeg here

          http://ffmpeg.zeranoe.com/builds/

          assuming you have a Windows computer.

          The following command line for converting a WAV to an MP3, has worked fine for me. Of course the paths will be different on your computer, just make sure to include the full path and filename everytime.

          "C:\Users\thenor\Documents\ffmpeg-20131202-git-e3d7a39-win32-static\bin\ffmpeg.exe" -i "C:\Users\thenor\Documents\Piano\PXarkiv\PracticeLog\Org_Eagls_HotelC1.wav" -c:a:0 libmp3lame -b:a:0 192k "C:\Users\thenor\Documents\Piano\PXarkiv\PracticeLog\Org_Eagls_HotelC1fmpg.mp3"

          After setting up FFmpeg, put this text above in a file saved as name.bat and when you click the file, the converting starts.
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          #2233783 - 02/18/14 02:34 PM Re: Recital - How do I record/upload is it too late??? [Re: therightmoment]
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          Thanks to all of you for the helpful pointers.

          Miracle of miracles I managed to get it downloaded properly and it works!

          thanks again,

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