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#2234229 - 02/19/14 12:59 PM Themes most dear to you
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What are some themes that are most dear to you? What themes do you find most beautiful, touching, and sweet? What themes are so touching for you, that they keep you rapt in awe when you hear them? Maybe the context in which you heard them for the first time made them very special for you.

My votes go toward:
- Theme from Beethoven's Waldstein 3rd mov
- Opening theme from Mozart's K331 1st mov
- Chopin Etude Op 25 no 1
- The sempre rubato; dolce con grazia section appearing about 1/4 through Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody no 12
- And of course Chopin Etude Op 10 no 3, when played over zealously under-tempo laugh
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#2234236 - 02/19/14 01:11 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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There are many, but the one that stands out for me is Schubert late A-major sonata last movement main theme.
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#2234256 - 02/19/14 01:48 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: Atrys
What are some themes that are most dear to you? What themes do you find most beautiful, touching, and sweet?

Which question are you asking?
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#2234258 - 02/19/14 01:50 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Atrys
What are some themes that are most dear to you? What themes do you find most beautiful, touching, and sweet?

Which question are you asking?

+1

They are not the same thing.

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#2234261 - 02/19/14 01:52 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist

Which question are you asking?

Both.
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#2234265 - 02/19/14 01:54 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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Which one did you answer?
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#2234267 - 02/19/14 01:55 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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No individual theme is close to me. Entire works are.

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#2234268 - 02/19/14 01:56 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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Yes, much of the greatness of a theme is dependent on the greatness of its development.
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#2234269 - 02/19/14 01:56 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Which one did you answer?

For me, the themes that are most dear to me are the same themes that I find most touching; so I suppose I answered both since they yield the same set of themes (maybe the former question has one or two more legs up on the latter though).


Edited by Atrys (02/19/14 01:56 PM)
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#2234270 - 02/19/14 01:58 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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They are definitely different questions. Look at the Arietta of the Beethoven 111 sonata. "Sweet" and "pretty" are not the first words that come to mind. Yet who can deny its greatness?
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#2234271 - 02/19/14 01:59 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: beet31425]
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Originally Posted By: beet31425
There are many, but the one that stands out for me is Schubert late A-major sonata last movement main theme.

I'd rather credit the piece Schubert stole it from, Beethoven's Opus 26 sonata. grin
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#2234272 - 02/19/14 02:01 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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I'm not sure if it classifies as a 'theme', but my favorite is the Cadenza from the 1st movement of Rachmaninoff piano concerto no. 3. Oh, how i wish that i had the technical abilities to play it...


Edited by Svenno (02/19/14 02:01 PM)
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#2234273 - 02/19/14 02:01 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
They are definitely different questions.

beet31425 and svenno didn't have any problem interpreting the questions. You're overthinking it. Anyone is free to answer as they wish without degenerating this into a nit picking debate.


Edited by Atrys (02/19/14 02:01 PM)
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#2234275 - 02/19/14 02:03 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Svenno]
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Originally Posted By: Svenno
I'm not sure if it classifies as a 'theme', but my favorite is the Cadenza from the 1st movement of Rachmaninoff piano concerto no. 3.

Sure! I suppose I'm not just asking for "themes", but any sequence of tones in general laugh

Also +1 for that cadenza.
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#2234276 - 02/19/14 02:03 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: Atrys
Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
They are definitely different questions.

beet31425 and svenno didn't have any problem interpreting the questions. You're overthinking it. Anyone is free to answer as they wish without degenerating this into a nit picking debate.

I don't see it as nitpicking. To my mind, the questions are very distinct and it does not make sense to pretend that every great theme or work is "pretty."
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#2234278 - 02/19/14 02:04 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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Originally Posted By: Atrys
Originally Posted By: Svenno
I'm not sure if it classifies as a 'theme', but my favorite is the Cadenza from the 1st movement of Rachmaninoff piano concerto no. 3.

Sure! I suppose I'm not just asking for "themes", but any sequence of tones in general laugh

Also +1 for that cadenza.

Which part of the cadenza? grin
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#2234279 - 02/19/14 02:05 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist

To my mind, the questions are very distinct and it does not make sense to pretend that every great theme or work is "pretty."

That's fine...I'm not trying to impose some kind of interpretation of the questions on you...
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#2234280 - 02/19/14 02:06 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: JoelW]
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No individual theme is close to me. Entire works are.

That's right. What is the "Ode to Joy" theme without the rest of the movement, or indeed the symphony? What is the Diabelli theme without the variations? It takes a master composer to extract every ounce of potential and more, even from a banal theme.
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#2234281 - 02/19/14 02:12 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Atrys
Originally Posted By: Svenno
I'm not sure if it classifies as a 'theme', but my favorite is the Cadenza from the 1st movement of Rachmaninoff piano concerto no. 3.

Sure! I suppose I'm not just asking for "themes", but any sequence of tones in general laugh

Also +1 for that cadenza.

Which part of the cadenza? grin


The whole cadenza, for me, is probably the most beautiful and epic theme i've ever heard. But i especially love the part where it all leads up to - the 'a tempo' section with the 'fff' chords. Simply amazing, so powerful.
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#2234282 - 02/19/14 02:12 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: JoelW
No individual theme is close to me. Entire works are.

That's right. What is the "Ode to Joy" theme without the rest of the movement, or indeed the symphony? What is the Diabelli theme without the variations? It takes a master composer to extract every ounce of potential and more, even from a banal theme.


Agreed. I wouldn't say that the end of Chopin Op. 62/1 is wonderful by itself. It's merely pretty. But when placed at the end of everything that came before it, it is one of the most profound things ever written.

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#2234286 - 02/19/14 02:17 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: JoelW]
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It is possible to appreciate the beauty in isolated phrases or themes.

I'm not asking about the beauty of an entire piece, I'm asking about themes/phrases/melodies that you consider to be "beautiful, touching, and sweet". These things may or may not be very "dear to you".

Sheesh, you guys probably aren't very fun at parties. This isn't supposed to be a debate, it's supposed to be a thread where people can share themes or phrases that they enjoy.


Edited by Atrys (02/19/14 02:18 PM)
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#2234288 - 02/19/14 02:23 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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There you go mixing questions again...grin crazy
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#2234289 - 02/19/14 02:24 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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Are you really unable to infer what I'm asking? Is your reading comprehension really that low?
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#2234290 - 02/19/14 02:25 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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Okay. Well, speaking of that Nocturne, I think the part right before the climax is intriguing.

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#2234292 - 02/19/14 02:28 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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The theme of Beethoven's Op. 109, 3rd Mvt. Which is why I decided to learn it on its own, as the variations are technically too advanced for me.

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#2234293 - 02/19/14 02:28 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Atrys]
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#2234294 - 02/19/14 02:30 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: JoelW]
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Okay. Well, speaking of that Nocturne, I think the part right before the climax is intriguing.

Bingo! Yes, this is what I mean! +1 for things that Chopin does before climaxes in the nocturnes. Similar development sections in Op 37 no 1 get me pretty well too.
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#2234297 - 02/19/14 02:35 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Valencia]
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The theme of Beethoven's Op. 109, 3rd Mvt. Which is why I decided to learn it on its own, as the variations are technically too advanced for me.

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#2234300 - 02/19/14 02:37 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Valencia

I decided to learn it on its own

I've done the same with the theme from the 2nd movement of Pathetique laugh Too sweet to resist temptation smile
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#2234301 - 02/19/14 02:38 PM Re: Themes most dear to you [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Originally Posted By: Valencia
The theme of Beethoven's Op. 109, 3rd Mvt. Which is why I decided to learn it on its own, as the variations are technically too advanced for me.

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