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I'd been led to believe that Kawai made it's own keybeds, especially for ES7/ MP7 /MP11 and upwards.

That was one of the many reasons why I chose the MP7. Whatever the case, the RHII keybed action on the MP7 certainly suits my personal taste in actions, but I know that is a subjective issue. Kawai's RHII seems to be well designed and engineered.

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Originally Posted by Just Alan
I'd been led to believe that Kawai made it's own keybeds, especially for ES7/ MP7 /MP11 and upwards.


This is correct.

All of the keyboard actions utilised by Kawai DPs are developed by Kawai. I believe this is also true of Yamaha, Roland, Casio, and Korg instruments.

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Are all the parts of the keyboard action manufactured by Kawai in its Indonesian factory?

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Originally Posted by lophiomys
Are all the parts of the keyboard action manufactured by Kawai in its Indonesian factory?


I believe some components are produced by outside vendors, under license from Kawai.

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Originally Posted by lophiomys
Are all the parts of the keyboard action manufactured by Kawai in its Indonesian factory?


I believe some components are produced by outside vendors, under license from Kawai.

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I was told by Kawai's distributor for Spain that almost every single piece of their digitals is produced by third parties, being Kawai mostly designer/assembler.
Some pics of the factory in Hamamatsu could prove this to be wrong.


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Originally Posted by mabraman
I was told by Kawai's distributor for Spain...


I will contact our distributor in Spain and attempt to clarify the reason for this miscommunication.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

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Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
All, key click and clank is due to cheap nasty felt materials being used at bottom and top key contact positions. This problem is very common on far eastern made keybeds, ( good example in Casio forum where one guy to ok apart the keybed )
I suspect that one supplier is selling this stuff to all manufacturers and to me it has not been approved well enough , there should be robots in the development works which are pounding keys to replicate a life cycle.
The key clank is horrible when playing soft pieces.
My qualifications, 30 years in supplier approval for many OEM's.


You are right. And I must add that, from the point of view of a customer, the wakest link in the chain speaks for the whole lot. This is possibly not fair, but it happens and perhaps is what digipros can't understand.


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Originally Posted by mabraman
I was told by Kawai's distributor for Spain...


I will contact our distributor in Spain and ask why they are providing misleading information to customers.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

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You have me bewildered. I thought you were just writing manuals and managing web profiles, now I find you monitor distributors, too.


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Originally Posted by mabraman
I thought you were just writing manuals and managing web profiles...


I am responsible for overseas DP marketing and materials, yes. This entails creating manuals, brochures and websites, etc. but also entails a wide range of other tasks. For example, tomorrow I am scheduled to translate this rather useful app (and all support materials) into English.

Originally Posted by mabraman
...now I find you monitor distributors, too.


I am in regular contact with our distributors, yes. This is quite natural, given my role, but I am not 'monitoring' anyone.

However, if I find that information provided to our customers is inaccurate, it's my obligation to ensure that the message is put right. This may be an incorrect specification on a dealer's website, or misinformation about Kawai as a company and our products.

Again, thank you for bringing this to my attention.

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OMG, Spain is going to be in serious trouble now.

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Wow that app looks great, thanks for sharing!!
I'm gonna pass this to some master students who are making their work on e-sheets. Please keep us informed whenever it's avaliable.
Thanks, again.


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Originally Posted by lophiomys
OMG, Spain is going to be in serious trouble now.


No, I don't think so.

It's probably just a breakdown in communication between the distributor's technician and mabraman.

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Originally Posted by mabraman
Wow that app looks great, thanks for sharing!!
I'm gonna pass this to some master students who are making their work on e-sheets. Please keep us informed whenever it's avaliable.
Thanks, again.


No problem. wink

The app works really well - I wish I'd had something similar when I was learning piano...my notated compositions looked atrocious!

I believe the app will become available (outside of Japan) next month.

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I bought an MP7 last Friday, I'm very pleased with it so far !
I like the keyboard (in relation to the weight & price, I tried the MP11 & boy was that action great), it feels very solid & looks great.
I haven't had the time yet to delve deeper into the customization of the sounds, but it's next on my list.
For those that would want to hear a non-Kawai sound clip, here is 'Clair de lune' with the Concert Grand 1 (damper / string resonance are on 6).

https://app.box.com/s/lqgvit7d83do2bs60r0ztibzu3ms4pm3

I'll try with AnotherScott's version of the mellow grand when I'm back home in a couple of days.

@KawaiJames: do you know if there are separate samples for the soft pedal, or if we hear the main samples filtered /EQ'ed ? (my first impression, might be wrong though)

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Respect, this recording is simply amazing. Thanks.

Update:
BTW, where have you been hiding during the last 10 years?

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Thx for the compliment, I'm curious to try different sound settings (& the 'mellow grand') once I'm back home.
As for the 10 years, the search for a stage piano (for gigging) brought me back here :-)

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Hello PhJ, welcome [back] to the forum!

Thank you very much for posting this excellent performance of 'Claire de lune'. It's perfect.

I listened to this piece at least four times while preparing dinner yesterday (I'm quite a slow cook), and felt very calm and relaxed by the time I eventually sat down to eat. wink

To answer your query, I have put this question to the R&D team and will let you know their response.

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Kawai don't make the crappy keybed felt, infact I would be surprised if kawai make more than 10-20% of components. They should be responsible for design and spec, which includes life cycle simulation, assembly and distribution.

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Originally Posted by Sinclairgsport
Kawai don't make the crappy keybed felt, infact I would be surprised if kawai make more than 10-20% of components. They should be responsible for design and spec, which includes life cycle simulation, assembly and distribution.

I doubt they do accurate tests, based on my experience and in the comments here. Felts and contacts are very much improvable, so are hammers. The whole mechanism becomes clicky-clacky in a year.
I agree what you said about components, though KJ denied it.


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Originally Posted by mabraman
I doubt they do accurate tests


May I ask you to clarify what you mean, please?


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