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#2249381 - 03/20/14 09:36 AM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Rhodie73]
Dave Ferris Offline
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Originally Posted By: Rhodie73
Originally Posted By: Kawai James
A CP5 for under $1k *is* a steal! Congrats!

James
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Thanks James!


Oh yeah man, I'm jealous big time ! Congrats. I was going to bid on a *at home use* only CP5 on eBay yesterday at $1200. But literally 5 bids came in within the last 5 seconds of the auction and I lost out. It sold at $1365. I understand it's these auto sniping programs people use. I can't compete with that.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-CP5-High-...=item27e05044fb

The MP7 has drums and patterns right ? I remember the MP10 had them but can't recall if the MP6 did. If it does, how are they ? A huge reason I'm looking at another CP5 are the drums believe or not.. laugh

I need a keyboard/DP with built in drums & grooves for solo gigs I do where I play LH bass and do vocals. More often then not these days, it seems people want a groove or something "extra" going on then just straight piano & vocals.

Was considering a Kronos as sonically it's killin', but too much dough and too complex.

The CP5's drums had great swing, Latin and acoustic style patterns...better then any DP I'd heard. I wonder how the RD800's are ? The 700NX's weren't as good as the CP5's.

If the MP7's drum patterns are good, that would be enough to sway me over to it. I didn't hear any in the few online demos yet.
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#2249401 - 03/20/14 10:32 AM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Yes I agree that the CP5's drum patterns are very good and useful. I really just lucked out because I wanted to see if they had a Roland RD800 to try out, but walked out with a CP5! I believe the MP7 has drum patterns like its predecessor the MP6. Having owned the CP4 and now the CP5, I can say that I think he CP5 is somewhat better in terms of features and build quality. I really don't want to hijack this thread, so I will start another one later.
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#2249601 - 03/20/14 05:41 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Marko in Boston]
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So did you try out the rd800 as we'll ? If so , what did you think of it and why did you go for the cp5 in the end ?

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#2249615 - 03/20/14 06:08 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Marko in Boston]
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I think the $1,799 US price for the MP7 is very competitive. It's much more difficult to find Kawai instruments at GC/MF, and so that will stack up nicely against the $1870 discounted price of the CP4.

It would be great to be able to do a side-by-side comparison with the CP4/40 and the RD800. I suspect that the Yamaha would win the EP battle, but it might be quite a different story when the APs are compared. It's good that all these major contenders are now weighing in at less than 50lbs, although the CPs have almost a 10lbs advantage.

Rhodie73, I'm curious as to your opinion of the P255, and how you think the sound compares with the CP5. I know that's OT in this thread, so maybe you could address it in the new thread you intend to start.
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#2249647 - 03/20/14 07:00 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Dave Ferris]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Ferris
I understand it's these auto sniping programs people use. I can't compete with that.


Sniping software like JBidWatcher is free.

But it doesn't have to be software. If there's something I really want I typically wait until the end of the auction, watch the countdown clock, then enter a final top bid when it gets to 7 seconds. Just for fun. Lots of times the current high bidder has a secret bid even higher and he wins, sometimes another bidder (whether using sniping software I cannot say) wins, but a good amount of the time I win, and usually below my top bid.

Never bid early, as it lets other potential bidders know there's interest in the item, and sometimes it initiates escalatory bidding in others.

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#2249677 - 03/20/14 07:52 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: voxpops]
Kawai James Online   content
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
I think the $1,799 US price for the MP7 is very competitive. It's much more difficult to find Kawai instruments at GC/MF, and so that will stack up nicely against the $1870 discounted price of the CP4.


Who is selling the CP4 at $1870? All the online retailers appear to have it at $2199.

James
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#2249690 - 03/20/14 08:01 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: voxpops
I think the $1,799 US price for the MP7 is very competitive. It's much more difficult to find Kawai instruments at GC/MF, and so that will stack up nicely against the $1870 discounted price of the CP4.


Who is selling the CP4 at $1870? All the online retailers appear to have it at $2199.

James
x

Yes, that's the MAP, but Guitar Center and Musician's Friend offer discount coupons periodically - usually 15%. If you time your purchase well, you can just show up at your local GC, wave the coupon at them, and they'll sell you the item at the discounted price. As long as the item is in stock at the warehouse (doesn't have to be in the store), there's usually no problem; however, if it's a special order or something not yet available from the manufacturer, you may have an indefinite wait.
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#2249693 - 03/20/14 08:08 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Marko in Boston]
Kawai James Online   content
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Ah, I see.

Well, in that case $1,799 with the same 15% discount makes the MP7 an even more attractive proposition. wink

James
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#2249694 - 03/20/14 08:12 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Ah, I see.

Well, in that case $1,799 with the same 15% discount makes the MP7 an even more attractive proposition. wink

James
x

It certainly does, but GC/MF are often slow to stock Kawai instruments. I certainly hope they get the new MPs.
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#2249696 - 03/20/14 08:21 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Marko in Boston]
Kawai James Online   content
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I recall a post from someone who had purchased a VPC1 from Musician's Friend using the 15% discount, so I assume the same will work with the MP11/MP7 once the store adds it to their catalogue (at the time of writing their website still lists the MP10/MP6).

Cheers,
James
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#2249707 - 03/20/14 08:44 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Don't expect too many Guitar Center or Musicians Friend coupons in the near future. GC is in the process of being taken over by its main creditor Ares Capital, as it has $1.6 billion in debt, much of it remaining from its $2.7 billion leveraged buyout in 2007 by Bain Capital (the firm Mitt Romney co-founded). And MF is a subsidiary of GC.

Every year for the last several years MF had a 15%-off coupon for President's Day but this year it was a more modest sale on accessories only. It's not hard to see why considering how they're hemorrhaging cash. Guitar Center reported a net loss of $398.7 million in the quarter ended Sept. 30, compared with a $25.7 million loss a year earlier. At any rate, cost-cutting may be the order of the day there so don't count on big coupons now to lower prices.

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#2249709 - 03/20/14 08:48 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Turnabout]
pwl Offline
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Originally Posted By: Turnabout
Every year for the last several years MF had a 15%-off coupon for President's Day but this year it was a more modest sale on accessories only.

Hmm . . . I'm not so sure. I bought a P-255 from zZounds when they price matched (actually beat) a 15% off in-store quote from GC.

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#2249710 - 03/20/14 08:54 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Marko in Boston]
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Yes, GC had the full 15%-off coupon this last Presidents' Day - and some pretty good specials, too.
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#2249713 - 03/20/14 08:56 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Marko in Boston]
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That is true, they had one 15% off sale this year. (And for the next 3 days they offer 15% on some gear if you use a GC credit card.) But they used to offer deals a lot more, and so did MF, which has only offered "15% Off Top Select Accessories" in 2014. The takeover by Ares has not yet been concluded, and it remains to be seen whether GC will continue to offer these discounts in the future.

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#2249714 - 03/20/14 09:00 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: voxpops]
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Originally Posted By: voxpops
Yes, GC had the full 15%-off coupon this last Presidents' Day


Yes, I agree that GC had a limited 15% coupon, which did include Yamaha and other in-stock pianos but not "Ampeg, Apogee Duets, Apple, Audix, Bose, Crate, Crown, DBX, Digitech, Edirol, ESP, EVH, Fender, some Gibson and Epiphone, Gretsch guitars, Jackson, JBL, KRK, Lexicon, Mackie, Martin, Mesa Boogie, Peavey, QSC, some Roland/BOSS products, Royer Labs, Shure, Soundcraft, Squier, SWR, and select Korg, Marshall, Vox"

And MF did not offer any similar coupon as they have done in years past. The company is in over a billion dollars in debt and lost a quarter-billion in just one quarter last year, so I'm just saying not to count on the discount coupon party continuing...

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#2249715 - 03/20/14 09:01 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Marko in Boston]
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If they do discontinue the coupons (although that is by no means certain), the MP7 will still come in well under 2k, which may well be a barrier, psychological or otherwise, for many players.
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#2249716 - 03/20/14 09:04 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Turnabout]
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Originally Posted By: Turnabout
Yes, I agree that GC had a limited 15% coupon, which did include Yamaha and other in-stock pianos but not "Ampeg, Apogee Duets, Apple, Audix, Bose, Crate, Crown, DBX, Digitech, Edirol, ESP, EVH, Fender, some Gibson and Epiphone, Gretsch guitars, Jackson, JBL, KRK, Lexicon, Mackie, Martin, Mesa Boogie, Peavey, QSC, some Roland/BOSS products, Royer Labs, Shure, Soundcraft, Squier, SWR, and select Korg, Marshall, Vox"

The exclusion list does not apply when you show up in the store. It's the same when you call MF in person. However, if you try to use the coupons online, they will not be accepted for most things.
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#2249723 - 03/20/14 09:29 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Marko in Boston]
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The printed coupons had the exclusion list.

If the stores were accepting the coupons for excluded items... no wonder they're in such bad financial shape!

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#2249725 - 03/20/14 09:36 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Marko in Boston]
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My last coupon purchase from GC was the Roland FP-50 (one of the so-called excluded items).

To be honest, I'm not sure it's the coupons that have caused the problems; they generate a lot of extra sales. The use of coupons certainly peaked during the depths of the recent recession, and that may have been instrumental (no pun intended) in keeping GC/MF going through hard times. The financial issue is more likely connected to the cost of running hundreds of brick and mortar stores in competition with those who maintain only a central base and an online presence.
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#2249734 - 03/20/14 10:04 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Joe Garfield]
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Thanks for the heads up - I totaly missed those demo-clips!

You need to scroll down passed the videos.

The MP7 sounds great in those clips.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=m3WC-gbd_xs

I just found this new U-tube MP7 flick (one of those Polish ones) It realy comes across as an inspirng instrument.With those 4 knobs its now easy to sculpt the sound in a musical way.

I think its now the instrument I had hoped for when I got the MP6. The Organs and even synths sound killer!

And did I say that you can now STORE A DIFFERENT TOUTCH CURVE IN EACH USER REGISTRATION!

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#2249735 - 03/20/14 10:09 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: puff]
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Meant to say that the sound clips are on the German www.kawai.de website.

http://www.kawai.de/mp7_en.htm

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#2249739 - 03/20/14 10:12 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Marko in Boston]
Kawai James Online   content
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I'll be adding those MP7 audio clips to the Soundcloud page shortly (we need them for the website), and perhaps a handful of others if I find the time... wink

There's also a playlist of the Musikmesse clips on the MP Youtube page and facebook.

Cheers,
James
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#2249741 - 03/20/14 10:15 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: voxpops]
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Voxpops
Maybe you should start a new "Dose Guitar Centre still sell Guitars" thread. wink

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#2249745 - 03/20/14 10:20 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: puff]
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Originally Posted By: puff

Voxpops
Maybe you should start a new "Dose Guitar Centre still sell Guitars" thread. wink

I would, but the whole subject of guitars makes me yawn! wink
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#2249747 - 03/20/14 10:24 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Kawai James]
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James
Do you remember about 3 years ago I asked (or pestered)you If the different toutch curves could be added to the MP6 in an OS update?
Just wondered if many other users requested this feature?
Any way mucho thanks for listening.

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#2249749 - 03/20/14 10:28 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: voxpops]
puff Offline
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Yeah, I prefer just playin'em too!

Night night!

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#2249753 - 03/20/14 10:38 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: puff]
Kawai James Online   content
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Originally Posted By: puff
Do you remember about 3 years ago I asked (or pestered)you If the different toutch curves could be added to the MP6 in an OS update?
Just wondered if many other users requested this feature?
Any way mucho thanks for listening.


Yes, I remember you asking. wink

I believe a number of MP6 owners made similar requests. We tried to refine the touch curves for piano and EP playing, and I recall some users appreciated the improvements. However, it didn't really address the request for separate (non-global) touch curves. Unfortunately, this restriction was part of the MP OS, which I assume dated back to the MP8 architecture...if not the MP9000, so it was difficult to overcome without a considerable re-write.

The MP7 architecture is very similar to the MP11, and therefore far more flexible, allowing touch curves for individual sounds and zones.

Cheers,
James
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#2250153 - 03/21/14 08:14 PM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Kawai James]
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Thanks James,

If I remember correctly the updated OS for the MP6 improved the Acoustic piano touch and dynamics only.I always like EPs to have a different curve. Anyway this is now academic.
Im thinking that the MP7 can now use the triple pedal unit as it
has four(?) pedal jack sockets.

Is this the case?

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#2250283 - 03/22/14 01:38 AM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: ando]
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Originally Posted By: ando
Originally Posted By: Joe Garfield
Are you guys not satisfied with the samples posted by Kawai?
http://www.kawai.de/mp7_en.htm#tabs-3

(click Demo and go down to the bottom for audio samples)


No, they aren't satisfied. Those videos have been posted on here already.


Note that I said *audio samples, which are below the videos. There is more variety of sounds and higher quality audio. I think the piano tones sound nice. I can hear a pretty distinct difference between the MP7, the CA65, and the ES7, liking them in that order.

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#2250285 - 03/22/14 01:42 AM Re: KAWAI MP7 THREAD [Re: Turnabout]
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Originally Posted By: Turnabout
Originally Posted By: voxpops
Yes, GC had the full 15%-off coupon this last Presidents' Day


Yes, I agree that GC had a limited 15% coupon, which did include Yamaha and other in-stock pianos but not "Ampeg, Apogee Duets, Apple, Audix, Bose, Crate, Crown, DBX, Digitech, Edirol, ESP, EVH, Fender, some Gibson and Epiphone, Gretsch guitars, Jackson, JBL, KRK, Lexicon, Mackie, Martin, Mesa Boogie, Peavey, QSC, some Roland/BOSS products, Royer Labs, Shure, Soundcraft, Squier, SWR, and select Korg, Marshall, Vox"

And MF did not offer any similar coupon as they have done in years past. The company is in over a billion dollars in debt and lost a quarter-billion in just one quarter last year, so I'm just saying not to count on the discount coupon party continuing...


Sometimes if you call or go to the online support chat they will still honor the coupon. I just did that with a Yamaha keyboard not long ago. The webpage said Yamaha was excluded but the guy said most places would honor it if you ask. Guitar Center's asking prices are not the lowest so they can afford to make deals.

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