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#2245231 - 03/12/14 09:28 AM Chopin Ballade Op 23
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Here is my recording of Chopin's first ballade. I know the sound is quite bad and that I make some mistakes when I play, but the main point of this recording is for you to be able to answer my questions in the thread "What should I do?". Also, I just recently took up the piano again after a six months break, so I am not in my best shape, so to say! I know some of you wanted me to post a recording, so… Here it is!

Thank you all in advance!
/Users/magnusandersson/Documents/IMG_0083.mov

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#2245252 - 03/12/14 10:52 AM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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Unfortunately, the link doesn't work !!
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#2245254 - 03/12/14 10:56 AM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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Of course it doesn't. It's incomplete!

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#2245256 - 03/12/14 10:59 AM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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How do you make the link work?

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#2245445 - 03/12/14 04:24 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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We don't even know what site it's on, because you've left out the whole first part of the URL.
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#2245448 - 03/12/14 04:26 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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It's not on any site, it's a file, but it didn't work to put it in, it was too big.

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#2245449 - 03/12/14 04:29 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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Well, we can't open it because it's not a link.
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#2245452 - 03/12/14 04:37 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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Originally Posted By: Jorleyy
It's not on any site, it's a file, but it didn't work to put it in, it was too big.

For a link to work, the file must be on a website, and include the full URL, including http://www.'whatever'.

Upload it to dropbox, or an equivalent site.


Edited by prout (03/12/14 04:38 PM)

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#2245461 - 03/12/14 04:48 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: prout]
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Originally Posted By: prout
Originally Posted By: Jorleyy
It's not on any site, it's a file, but it didn't work to put it in, it was too big.

For a link to work, the file must be on a website, and include the full URL, including http://www.'whatever'.

Upload it to dropbox, or an equivalent site.


... such as SoundCloud or Box.net. When uploaded there, the file will have the option of selecting a link to the file (its URL) which you can copy in order to share. You quote that link by using the second box at the top left of your message (when you put your curser on the box, it reads : "Create a link to a webpage."). Then the link - and hence, your file - will be accessible to any who click on it.

In some cases, the link (URL) you copy may be long. If you hit "Enter" after copying that link (URL), Piano World gives you a second box in which you can type a short title for the link. Whatever short title you decide upon (Ballade) will be the link that will appear in your post. Better that, sometimes, than a long URL.

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#2246172 - 03/13/14 08:46 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Polyphonist]
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Originally Posted By: Polyphonist
Well, we can't open it because it's not a link.


This is getting very exciting! I like this mystery game. Where oh where is the link?
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#2246175 - 03/13/14 08:55 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Frankni]
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Originally Posted By: Frankni
Where oh where is the link?

Where is the lid?
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#2246186 - 03/13/14 09:05 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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What a disappointing thread.
Here's A link to fill the gap: Yay Chopin: I love you
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#2246196 - 03/13/14 09:16 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: pianorigami]
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Originally Posted By: pianorigami
What a disappointing thread.
Here's A link to fill the gap: Yay Chopin: I love you

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#2246354 - 03/14/14 06:08 AM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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lol

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#2247029 - 03/15/14 02:04 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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lol+

But I have a feeling that he might not be able to post a video of his playing.
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#2247308 - 03/16/14 04:14 AM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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lol
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#2247469 - 03/16/14 01:29 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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Jorleyy: Isn't copy/pasting a link easier than playing this piece?
Heck, I mean even I can do that! ha

(Oh OK -- I see it might be more than only about the link....) smile

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#2247558 - 03/16/14 04:44 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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#2247560 - 03/16/14 04:45 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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THere you go! I know I make some mistakes, but as I told you all, I am not in my best shape after a six month break! But I would love to hear your opinion of my playing and your answers on my questions from before!

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#2247581 - 03/16/14 05:28 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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Okay I am obviously retarded when it comes to computers... I honestly don't know how to do this. It dosen't work to put it up on youtube even though I created an account?!

Does the link work for you there?


Edited by Jorleyy (03/16/14 05:30 PM)

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#2247595 - 03/16/14 06:13 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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Yes, the link works, I was just loosing my hope but now I am glad that you managed to put it up and we are finally able to hear and see your playing.

As you have said it needs some more work. But as it is now, you are not very far from a relatively acceptable performance by an amateur. Musically you do some good things, and to me this is important. Technical difficulties are a matter of patiently hard practicing on respective passages and you seem to have the potential to overcome them.

I enjoyed listening to your performance. Thanks for sharing.
Keep up the good work.
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#2247644 - 03/16/14 08:49 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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I think it would make a good college audition piece, or alternatively a piece to take to study privately with someone who teaches at that level, once you've got the technical challenges a little more under control.

You've clearly been doing a good job of sorting through note-learning and technique issues on your own, or you'd never have got this far. You seem to be preoccupied by your age. I assure you 21 is really quite young and if you haven't yet been to college/conservatory it is a fine time to start. What you should be preoccupied with is finding an excellent teacher and creating a rigorous practice schedule, whether this happens at a college/conservatory or not.

And now on to criticism, only because you have said you aspire to play professionally and you deserve an honest assessment. Your playing is pretty typical of advanced teenage pianists wink You are easily carried away with playing loud and fast, your rhythm needs work and you occasionally fall victim to affectations (that hunched posture in the opening) that don't do anything to help your technique or musicality. You are most musical in the calm passages. A teacher would very likely take away your loud fast music for a little while, then bring it back later with the intent of helping you calm down and play the loud fast passages with the same lyricism and phrasing you'd bring to something slow and simple.

So find a great teacher, prepare to have your playing taken apart and put together again, go to school if you can and start carving out many hours of practice time...

edit: with respect to your questions about learning the Chopin and Beethoven sonatas, of course you could. You could learn them now if you wanted to. They'd probably sound more or less like this Ballade does now. The purpose of study at an advanced level isn't so much about playing harder and harder pieces, it's about playing them as well as you possibly can.


Edited by hreichgott (03/16/14 08:55 PM)
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#2247877 - 03/17/14 12:13 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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Thank you for constructive criticism! I will do my best to reach my goals. The thing is that I feel like I am a beginner, even though I can "sort of play" a piece like the first ballade. I think I need to go back to some basics with a teache

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#2247908 - 03/17/14 01:35 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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I just listened to it (in a 'skimming' kind of way which I think is probably how most of us listen to most stuff now, isn't it) ....and I have to say that I liked it and was impressed even a bit more than the others. There is so much that you do excellently (BTW I thought the opening was superb, by any standard), and even "the hard parts" (which I made sure to listen to) grin ....I think you handled those extremely well for someone at your level, and really quite well even for someone a bit more advanced. There are so many good things that you do that are rare for someone who isn't more advanced and more trained. I didn't feel that you were sacrificing anything on tempo, your rhythm is very good throughout, you give the right kind of character to every section, you make it all fit together well, and the way you handle 'the slow parts' shows a lot of sensitivity and even sophistication. This is really something to be proud of. And it was worth working so hard to get the video to work!


P.S. (edit) I think you're misreading a rhythm at one point. I wouldn't bother to mention a detail like this except that mostly you seem to have read everything so carefully. At 8:28 (and again where it repeats right after), you're making that last note about double or triple too long. And it doesn't seem like an intentional extra "breath" or anything like that, which is why I think you just misread it. Re-check what's going on there. (And as long as I'm talking about this part, I might as well mention, you seem maybe to be putting in an extra chord at the end of the lead-in to that part, and also I think you way overdo the 'ritard' there. But you can sort of do it that way if you feel like it.) laugh


Edited by Mark_C (03/17/14 01:51 PM)

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#2247919 - 03/17/14 01:51 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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Thank you mark_c, that makes me very happy to read! I think that my biggest problem when it comes to piano learning and life in general are psychological, I think I am often too hard on myself and that I have many doubts on myself because of things that has happened in the past. I think I know that I am actually more talented than I aloud myself to believe... Even though I started playing the piano at 15, and was absolutely in love with music, I always thought that it was "too late" to learn because that's what everybody told me, and therefore I didn't start practice seriously until I was 18(I know I am self taught since the age of 18, but by serious I mean I started practicing many hours a day) and when I was 18 the hardest pieces I played were Mozart's k 545 and Beethoven's Op 49 pretty much... I realized though how depressed I was when I didn't do music, I felt I just had to, so I started practicing a lot and made a lot of progress in a short amount of time. But for the last 6 months, I have been depressed again, and I have realized that the reasons are complex, but I have been too much of a "coward" to even dare to ask for a teacher because of my age... Now though I have learned to know myself a lot, and I am really going to get a good teacher, challenge myself and do everything to reach my goals... I know I can play the piano but somehow it feels like I cannot even play a piece at beginner's level... I have to stop being so self-critical and start to love the process of learning without being too concerned about the results all the time... But once again Mark_C, thank you for your words, it means a lot to me!

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#2247925 - 03/17/14 02:04 PM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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You have it down pretty well technically, but still needs some work. Same for musically. Get a good teacher and stick with this piece. Over the years it'll get better and better. It's obvious that you do have the potential.

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#2249336 - 03/20/14 07:49 AM Re: Chopin Ballade Op 23 [Re: Jorleyy]
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Anybody else with an opinion? smile

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