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#2246108 - 03/13/14 06:48 PM Fallboard pivot hardware
OperaTenor Offline
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I've got a couple of grands, one old, and then the CE-175's at the Shout House, that need new pivot hardware. All Schaff carries is one 'generic' pivot/hinge, and I don;t think it will work on either application.

Does anyone have another source for this kind of thing?
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#2246169 - 03/13/14 08:41 PM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: OperaTenor]
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Having been there (at the Shout House), I have a hunch I know why the fallboard pivot hardware is failing. In that application, you need to go with something beefier which will take the strain. How about farm gate hinges? wink
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#2246177 - 03/13/14 08:56 PM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: OperaTenor]
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I have not been to the shout house, but have read about it. I would just screw it in the stretcher. Right thru to the pin block. Two large screws easily removable and tightened.
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#2246179 - 03/13/14 08:56 PM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: OperaTenor]
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Check with the distributor if the piano is still in production.
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#2246287 - 03/14/14 12:33 AM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: Supply]
OperaTenor Offline
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Originally Posted By: Supply
Having been there (at the Shout House), I have a hunch I know why the fallboard pivot hardware is failing. In that application, you need to go with something beefier which will take the strain. How about farm gate hinges? wink


It's tempting...

On the previous pianos (Korean K&C's), I came up with some creative solutions, because the pivots were completely trashed by the time I came onto the scene. On one, I used a steel bicycle cable lug holder - the little cylindrical bit that retains the cable lug - for a pivot pin, and it lasted for three years.

The Brodmanns have soft-close fallboards, so the left side pivot is steel and looks like it will go the distance. The right side pivots are more traditional-looking brass fixtures, and they've almost worn to the point that the open fallboard is resting on the keys. I'm thinking that if I can keep up with replacing those before other parts of the fallboard become so damaged I have to jerry rig something.
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#2246288 - 03/14/14 12:34 AM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: accordeur]
OperaTenor Offline
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Originally Posted By: accordeur
I have not been to the shout house, but have read about it. I would just screw it in the stretcher. Right thru to the pin block. Two large screws easily removable and tightened.


I would do that, but then the players would no longer be able to slam the fallboards...

wink
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#2246290 - 03/14/14 12:35 AM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: BDB]
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Originally Posted By: BDB
Check with the distributor if the piano is still in production.


I've had horrible luck trying to get any kind of reply from Brodmann in the past, but i guess that might be worth a try.
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#2246295 - 03/14/14 01:07 AM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: OperaTenor]
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Why would anybody slam a fallboard?
Originally Posted By: OperaTenor
Originally Posted By: accordeur
I have not been to the shout house, but have read about it. I would just screw it in the stretcher. Right thru to the pin block. Two large screws easily removable and tightened.


I would do that, but then the players would no longer be able to slam the fallboards...

wink

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#2246315 - 03/14/14 02:26 AM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: OperaTenor]
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Just to be clear, how is it wearing out? Is the hinge wearing or the pivot pin? Pivot pins are often just screws with the heads cut off, so they can be removed, the hole filled with a dowel, and replaced. Hinges are usually brass, and can be peened back into shape. Or you could add an insert.
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#2246323 - 03/14/14 03:08 AM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: PhilipInChina]
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Originally Posted By: PhilipInChina
Why would anybody slam a fallboard?


Unusual circumstances. Reade ye here.
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#2246338 - 03/14/14 04:12 AM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: Mark R.]
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Now I understand...

Originally Posted By: Mark R.
Originally Posted By: PhilipInChina
Why would anybody slam a fallboard?


Unusual circumstances. Reade ye here.
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#2246400 - 03/14/14 08:35 AM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: OperaTenor]
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Everything I read about that Shout House place makes me laugh. It entails about everything that is classified as piano abuse, and makes entertainment out of it. Farm gate hinges might be the only effective answer.
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#2246404 - 03/14/14 08:48 AM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: OperaTenor]
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I've heard that Sandy Eggo has a SVU dedicated to musical instruments. Abuse runs rampant in the city!
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#2246467 - 03/14/14 11:21 AM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: OperaTenor]
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Seriously: If the original brass fittings are getting worn out, get a machinist to make replacements out of a tough alloy steel. They should last five to ten times as long. Contact me off list for a referral.
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#2246699 - 03/14/14 07:34 PM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: BDB]
OperaTenor Offline
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Originally Posted By: BDB
Just to be clear, how is it wearing out? Is the hinge wearing or the pivot pin? Pivot pins are often just screws with the heads cut off, so they can be removed, the hole filled with a dowel, and replaced. Hinges are usually brass, and can be peened back into shape. Or you could add an insert.


Both the pins and hinges are wearing out. The pins are brass, on little square mounting plates that are screwed into the case.
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#2246701 - 03/14/14 07:35 PM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: Supply]
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Registered: 04/13/06
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Loc: Sandy Eggo, California
Originally Posted By: Supply
Seriously: If the original brass fittings are getting worn out, get a machinist to make replacements out of a tough alloy steel. They should last five to ten times as long. Contact me off list for a referral.


Jurgen, I think that's the safest bet.

I was hoping I could find a source for replacements and just keep swapping them out, but if that's not the case, as it seems, then this is the route I should take.






Edited by OperaTenor (03/14/14 07:36 PM)
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#2246786 - 03/14/14 11:12 PM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: OperaTenor]
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Is it just my imagination or whenever there is a problem with a S.H. piano, a welder needs to be consulted?

whome
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#2246824 - 03/15/14 03:58 AM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: Minnesota Marty]
OperaTenor Offline
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Registered: 04/13/06
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Loc: Sandy Eggo, California
Originally Posted By: Minnesota Marty
Is it just my imagination or whenever there is a problem with a S.H. piano, a welder needs to be consulted?

whome


Welder, machine tool operator, carpenter, dance instructor...
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#2246903 - 03/15/14 09:40 AM Re: Fallboard pivot hardware [Re: OperaTenor]
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Ya know Jim, if your pianists only played Gavottes and Allemandes, your lid scratch problem would be solved.
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