Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#2247303 - 03/16/14 03:38 AM Anyone heard this?? :)
Wakingpiano Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/17/11
Posts: 21
The video is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKnbwd7n8IQ

I am confused if it is titled Soiree de Vienne Konzertparaphrase, or Fledermaus op. 56 or exactly what the heck is its proper title is... If anyone has knowledge about this piece I would enjoy learning more about it.

http://imslp.eu/linkhandler.php?path=/im...Vienne_op56.pdf

Heres the pdf of the music ^^

Top
Ad 800 (Pearl River)
Pearl River World's Best Selling Piano
#2247319 - 03/16/14 05:42 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
currawong Offline
5000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/15/07
Posts: 5932
Loc: Down Under
As far as I can see, it's by Grünfeld, called Soiree de Vienne, subtitled Concert paraphrase on waltz themes from Die Fledermaus (by Johann Strauss). So the first is the title, the second is a description of what it is and what it's an arrangement of. Any clearer? smile
_________________________
Du holde Kunst...

Top
#2247329 - 03/16/14 06:30 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
Wakingpiano Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/17/11
Posts: 21
coool thanks! have you heard it before? I thoroughly enjoyed this piece.

Top
#2247333 - 03/16/14 06:53 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
Hakki Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 2560
Here is how the composer plays it in real Viennese style

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HAB9-4JmU
_________________________
Put in one of IMO, I think, to me, for me... or similar to all sentences I post

http://www.youtube.com/user/hakkithepianist

Top
#2247340 - 03/16/14 07:28 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
Wakingpiano Offline
Full Member

Registered: 01/17/11
Posts: 21
wow cool! thanks for the link to his old school recording!

Top
#2247417 - 03/16/14 11:55 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
BruceD Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 18022
Loc: Victoria, BC
Here's another modern recorded version with the score.

Soiree de Vienne

Regards,
_________________________
BruceD
- - - - -
Estonia 190

Top
#2247475 - 03/16/14 01:38 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: BruceD]
pianoloverus Online   content
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 05/29/01
Posts: 19341
Loc: New York City
Originally Posted By: BruceD
Here's another modern recorded version with the score. Soiree de Vienne
I heard Cohen play this as an encore at the Mannes IKIF quite a few years ago. It, and the entire regular part of the recital, were sensationally good.

Anyone else hear Arnaldo Cohen in recital or recording?

Top
#2247477 - 03/16/14 01:39 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
Polyphonist Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/03/13
Posts: 7601
Loc: New York City
The recording is on Youtube.
_________________________
Regards,

Polyphonist

Top
#2247501 - 03/16/14 02:20 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
Mark_C Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19776
Loc: New York
One of the "amateur competition" contestants (Paul R.) played it (brilliantly!) in the Paris competition when he won it. I'd never known of this arrangement before, nor even heard of Grunfeld till then.

This post made me curious as to which other major pianists might have played the piece, so I checked a little, and the most interesting thing I found was this, not because the playing is great (it isn't) but because it's amazing how quickly even something like this can start getting typical youtube kinds of comments and fights. ha
The comments make reference to Lang Lang, so I checked for a recording of his, and found one. IMO it's awful, in the other direction from that other, and even when it isn't loud (and I'm even someone who usually sort of sticks up for Lang Lang).

Top
#2247648 - 03/16/14 08:56 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Mark_C]
MichaelJamesMN Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/30/12
Posts: 64
Loc: Minnesota
I really enjoyed her interpretation of this piece.

I don't know why everyone has to be so critical on YouTube...it's
often so unkind and unnecessary.

Worst for me are when children and amateur pianists post their videos and receive all sorts of criticism. "This will be great very soon" would do more to motivate and encourage people to continue with their practice.

Drives me insane.

Top
#2247680 - 03/16/14 10:07 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: MichaelJamesMN]
Mark_C Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19776
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: MichaelJamesMN
I really enjoyed her interpretation of this piece.

I don't know why everyone has to be so critical on YouTube...it's often so unkind and unnecessary.....

I can see plenty of reason to be critical. It's not real good, at all.
But I agree with you about the unkind. Not to mention how some of them are going off on one another, and of course with the seemingly requisite youtube comment "vocabulary." grin

Top
#2247748 - 03/17/14 02:38 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Mark_C]
MichaelJamesMN Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/30/12
Posts: 64
Loc: Minnesota
Boy, I don't know. I worked on this piece tonight. I was/am surprised it's not as difficult as it sounds.

But...I just finished listening to her again, as well as Grunfeld himself. He plays quite differently from the score, which surprised me (kind of).

I still don't mind her interpretation at all. I also listened to Lang Lang, and I didn't care for his nearly as much. (And apparently neither did several hundred people.)

May I ask of you: What don't you like about her interpretation? I am only curious.

Thank you.

Top
#2247751 - 03/17/14 02:59 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
pv88 Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/31/10
Posts: 2630
Here is one of the best paraphrases you will ever hear on "Die Fledermaus" by none other than G. Cziffra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP1y-F0md7Q

And, a score - to follow it with!

Top
#2247758 - 03/17/14 03:57 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: pv88]
Polyphonist Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/03/13
Posts: 7601
Loc: New York City
Originally Posted By: pv88
Here is one of the best paraphrases you will ever hear on "Die Fledermaus" by none other than G. Cziffra.

Quite so. But Godowsky's is unmatched.
_________________________
Regards,

Polyphonist

Top
#2249216 - 03/20/14 04:10 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
compianist1 Offline
Full Member

Registered: 12/13/13
Posts: 121
Loc: Banned
no I didn't, but I agree

Top
#2249414 - 03/20/14 10:56 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: compianist1]
DameMyra Online   happy
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 12/21/04
Posts: 1956
Loc: South Jersey
Originally Posted By: compianist1
no I didn't, but I agree


Just curious about all of your "I agree" posts today. Previously, you took time to post considered responses. Did someone offend you, or are you just being deliberately dis-"agree"-able?
_________________________
Private Piano Teacher
MTNA/NJMTA/SJMTA

Top
#2249422 - 03/20/14 11:19 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
Polyphonist Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/03/13
Posts: 7601
Loc: New York City
I doubt you're going to get an answer, DameMyra. He's been given the boot.
_________________________
Regards,

Polyphonist

Top
#2249431 - 03/20/14 11:27 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: DameMyra]
Morodiene Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 04/06/07
Posts: 11909
Loc: Boynton Beach, FL
Originally Posted By: DameMyra
Originally Posted By: compianist1
no I didn't, but I agree


Just curious about all of your "I agree" posts today. Previously, you took time to post considered responses. Did someone offend you, or are you just being deliberately dis-"agree"-able?


Maybe he forgot to take his meds.
_________________________
private piano/voice teacher - full time
MTNA member
www.valeoconservatory.com
Petrof 9'2 Concert, Yamaha G3, Roland FP-7, Yamaha MOX6, Kawai MP11

Top
#2249463 - 03/20/14 12:41 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Morodiene]
Mark_C Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19776
Loc: New York
^^ on the right track ^^

Top
#2249478 - 03/20/14 01:25 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: DameMyra]
beet31425 Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/12/09
Posts: 3787
Loc: Bay Area, CA
Originally Posted By: DameMyra
Originally Posted By: compianist1
no I didn't, but I agree


Just curious about all of your "I agree" posts today. Previously, you took time to post considered responses. Did someone offend you, or are you just being deliberately dis-"agree"-able?


It's not just in Pianist Corner... it's like some 50 posts total across pianoworld, all from this morning, all saying the same kind of thing. Kind of creepy.

-J
_________________________
Beethoven: op.109, 110, 111

Top
#2249512 - 03/20/14 02:50 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
Polyphonist Offline
7000 Post Club Member

Registered: 03/03/13
Posts: 7601
Loc: New York City
Some people have very little to do with their time.
_________________________
Regards,

Polyphonist

Top
#2250042 - 03/21/14 04:03 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Polyphonist]
pv88 Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/31/10
Posts: 2630
Agreed, as this looks like a deliberate attempt at getting attention. thumb

Top
#2250099 - 03/21/14 06:20 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
Louis Podesta Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/05/13
Posts: 723
The Kissin recording is a perfect example of how not to play the music of the 19th century. That is why I made my video.

Here is a very poor Youtube rendering of what is probably Grunfeld's greatest recording. If you want to hear an excerpt of a much better version of this, then you can go to the second link (my video) and scroll to 7:08.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8NTjnK8MsI&list=PLA25012B9D6995B76

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VPgg3armCI

Top
#2250105 - 03/21/14 06:29 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Louis Podesta]
Mark_C Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19776
Loc: New York
Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
The Kissin recording is a perfect example of how not to play the music of the 19th century....

To the extent that this site is very much a public resource and a reference, I feel duty bound to make sure nobody takes that comment seriously. grin
Although it was meant as such.

Top
#2250117 - 03/21/14 06:57 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Mark_C]
Louis Podesta Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/05/13
Posts: 723
Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
The Kissin recording is a perfect example of how not to play the music of the 19th century....

To the extent that this site is very much a public resource and a reference, I feel duty bound to make sure nobody takes that comment seriously. grin
Although it was meant as such.


Compared to the composer/transcriber's own recording, Kissin's performance is not in the same universe as what Alfred Grunfeld intended.

But, then again, you can make it up as you go along, just like Donald J. Grout. It is no big deal to use words like evolved.

As a former student of this "Modernist," you wrote that he lectured very differently than the style in which he performed (paraphrasing your words).

This is why one of the first chapters in Neal Peres Da Costa's book, "Off The Record," is entitled "Early Recordings As Evidence." Non-edited live recordings don't lie.

People lie.

Top
#2250127 - 03/21/14 07:18 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Louis Podesta]
Mark_C Offline
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member

Registered: 11/11/09
Posts: 19776
Loc: New York
Again for the sake of accuracy for the world at large, in this case the internet searchers who might be looking up "Donald Grout" and finding this canard (that's the very kind word).... ha

Grout didn't "lie," and he didn't preach other than what he practiced. I imagine Louis is referring to the, um, gross negligence of Grout's not including stuff like rolling of chords in his books. smile

Louis, either you've been unlucky enough to never have had a teacher or colleague who would level with you about how off-base you are on so many things, or you have a tin ear. I suspect more likely the latter.

Top

Moderator:  Brendan, Kreisler 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
ad (Casio)
Celviano by Casio Rebate
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Knabe Pianos
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Chrono Trigger piano medley
by Stefo
Today at 04:44 PM
need help with deciding between digital and acoustic
by luvboise713
Today at 04:16 PM
Sight reading problems
by pianosNpreschooler
Today at 03:23 PM
Hello! I have a question about playing for cocktail parties.
by albumblatter
Today at 03:10 PM
Piano Concerto in F, Op. 2 Arensky, Anton
by antony
Today at 02:33 PM
Who's Online
156 registered (accordeur, Alan T., 36251, ajames, aesop, 255, 42 invisible), 1418 Guests and 17 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
76237 Members
42 Forums
157608 Topics
2315049 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission