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#2247303 - 03/16/14 03:38 AM Anyone heard this?? :)
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The video is here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKnbwd7n8IQ

I am confused if it is titled Soiree de Vienne Konzertparaphrase, or Fledermaus op. 56 or exactly what the heck is its proper title is... If anyone has knowledge about this piece I would enjoy learning more about it.

http://imslp.eu/linkhandler.php?path=/im...Vienne_op56.pdf

Heres the pdf of the music ^^

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#2247319 - 03/16/14 05:42 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
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As far as I can see, it's by Grünfeld, called Soiree de Vienne, subtitled Concert paraphrase on waltz themes from Die Fledermaus (by Johann Strauss). So the first is the title, the second is a description of what it is and what it's an arrangement of. Any clearer? smile
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#2247329 - 03/16/14 06:30 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
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coool thanks! have you heard it before? I thoroughly enjoyed this piece.

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#2247333 - 03/16/14 06:53 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
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Here is how the composer plays it in real Viennese style

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9HAB9-4JmU
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#2247340 - 03/16/14 07:28 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
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wow cool! thanks for the link to his old school recording!

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#2247417 - 03/16/14 11:55 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
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Here's another modern recorded version with the score.

Soiree de Vienne

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#2247475 - 03/16/14 01:38 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: BruceD]
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Originally Posted By: BruceD
Here's another modern recorded version with the score. Soiree de Vienne
I heard Cohen play this as an encore at the Mannes IKIF quite a few years ago. It, and the entire regular part of the recital, were sensationally good.

Anyone else hear Arnaldo Cohen in recital or recording?

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#2247477 - 03/16/14 01:39 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
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The recording is on Youtube.
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#2247501 - 03/16/14 02:20 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
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One of the "amateur competition" contestants (Paul R.) played it (brilliantly!) in the Paris competition when he won it. I'd never known of this arrangement before, nor even heard of Grunfeld till then.

This post made me curious as to which other major pianists might have played the piece, so I checked a little, and the most interesting thing I found was this, not because the playing is great (it isn't) but because it's amazing how quickly even something like this can start getting typical youtube kinds of comments and fights. ha
The comments make reference to Lang Lang, so I checked for a recording of his, and found one. IMO it's awful, in the other direction from that other, and even when it isn't loud (and I'm even someone who usually sort of sticks up for Lang Lang).

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#2247648 - 03/16/14 08:56 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Mark_C]
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I really enjoyed her interpretation of this piece.

I don't know why everyone has to be so critical on YouTube...it's
often so unkind and unnecessary.

Worst for me are when children and amateur pianists post their videos and receive all sorts of criticism. "This will be great very soon" would do more to motivate and encourage people to continue with their practice.

Drives me insane.

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#2247680 - 03/16/14 10:07 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: MichaelJamesMN]
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Originally Posted By: MichaelJamesMN
I really enjoyed her interpretation of this piece.

I don't know why everyone has to be so critical on YouTube...it's often so unkind and unnecessary.....

I can see plenty of reason to be critical. It's not real good, at all.
But I agree with you about the unkind. Not to mention how some of them are going off on one another, and of course with the seemingly requisite youtube comment "vocabulary." grin

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#2247748 - 03/17/14 02:38 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Mark_C]
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Boy, I don't know. I worked on this piece tonight. I was/am surprised it's not as difficult as it sounds.

But...I just finished listening to her again, as well as Grunfeld himself. He plays quite differently from the score, which surprised me (kind of).

I still don't mind her interpretation at all. I also listened to Lang Lang, and I didn't care for his nearly as much. (And apparently neither did several hundred people.)

May I ask of you: What don't you like about her interpretation? I am only curious.

Thank you.

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#2247751 - 03/17/14 02:59 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
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Here is one of the best paraphrases you will ever hear on "Die Fledermaus" by none other than G. Cziffra:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP1y-F0md7Q

And, a score - to follow it with!

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#2247758 - 03/17/14 03:57 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By: pv88
Here is one of the best paraphrases you will ever hear on "Die Fledermaus" by none other than G. Cziffra.

Quite so. But Godowsky's is unmatched.
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#2249216 - 03/20/14 04:10 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
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no I didn't, but I agree

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#2249414 - 03/20/14 10:56 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: compianist1]
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Originally Posted By: compianist1
no I didn't, but I agree


Just curious about all of your "I agree" posts today. Previously, you took time to post considered responses. Did someone offend you, or are you just being deliberately dis-"agree"-able?
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#2249422 - 03/20/14 11:19 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
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I doubt you're going to get an answer, DameMyra. He's been given the boot.
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#2249431 - 03/20/14 11:27 AM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: DameMyra]
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Originally Posted By: DameMyra
Originally Posted By: compianist1
no I didn't, but I agree


Just curious about all of your "I agree" posts today. Previously, you took time to post considered responses. Did someone offend you, or are you just being deliberately dis-"agree"-able?


Maybe he forgot to take his meds.
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#2249463 - 03/20/14 12:41 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Morodiene]
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^^ on the right track ^^

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#2249478 - 03/20/14 01:25 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: DameMyra]
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Originally Posted By: DameMyra
Originally Posted By: compianist1
no I didn't, but I agree


Just curious about all of your "I agree" posts today. Previously, you took time to post considered responses. Did someone offend you, or are you just being deliberately dis-"agree"-able?


It's not just in Pianist Corner... it's like some 50 posts total across pianoworld, all from this morning, all saying the same kind of thing. Kind of creepy.

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#2249512 - 03/20/14 02:50 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
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Some people have very little to do with their time.
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#2250042 - 03/21/14 04:03 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Polyphonist]
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Agreed, as this looks like a deliberate attempt at getting attention. thumb

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#2250099 - 03/21/14 06:20 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Wakingpiano]
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The Kissin recording is a perfect example of how not to play the music of the 19th century. That is why I made my video.

Here is a very poor Youtube rendering of what is probably Grunfeld's greatest recording. If you want to hear an excerpt of a much better version of this, then you can go to the second link (my video) and scroll to 7:08.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8NTjnK8MsI&list=PLA25012B9D6995B76

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VPgg3armCI

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#2250105 - 03/21/14 06:29 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Louis Podesta]
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Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
The Kissin recording is a perfect example of how not to play the music of the 19th century....

To the extent that this site is very much a public resource and a reference, I feel duty bound to make sure nobody takes that comment seriously. grin
Although it was meant as such.

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#2250117 - 03/21/14 06:57 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Originally Posted By: Louis Podesta
The Kissin recording is a perfect example of how not to play the music of the 19th century....

To the extent that this site is very much a public resource and a reference, I feel duty bound to make sure nobody takes that comment seriously. grin
Although it was meant as such.


Compared to the composer/transcriber's own recording, Kissin's performance is not in the same universe as what Alfred Grunfeld intended.

But, then again, you can make it up as you go along, just like Donald J. Grout. It is no big deal to use words like evolved.

As a former student of this "Modernist," you wrote that he lectured very differently than the style in which he performed (paraphrasing your words).

This is why one of the first chapters in Neal Peres Da Costa's book, "Off The Record," is entitled "Early Recordings As Evidence." Non-edited live recordings don't lie.

People lie.

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#2250127 - 03/21/14 07:18 PM Re: Anyone heard this?? :) [Re: Louis Podesta]
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Again for the sake of accuracy for the world at large, in this case the internet searchers who might be looking up "Donald Grout" and finding this canard (that's the very kind word).... ha

Grout didn't "lie," and he didn't preach other than what he practiced. I imagine Louis is referring to the, um, gross negligence of Grout's not including stuff like rolling of chords in his books. smile

Louis, either you've been unlucky enough to never have had a teacher or colleague who would level with you about how off-base you are on so many things, or you have a tin ear. I suspect more likely the latter.

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