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#2193743 - 12/07/13 12:47 AM Seriously? *Another* improvisation?
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Why yes, yes it is laugh Um...I *will* get around to learning some real music for you to scoff at soon, but for now...it seems I have a poor sense of recognising appropriate pace/development ratio....not that that *technically* makes sense smile So...um...all I need to know is: is the rate of development still too slow? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if3WIvyz1I4 Of course, any comment is welcomed and greatly appreciated, no word could ever be too unsavoury or vile laugh
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#2194025 - 12/07/13 03:05 PM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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I lasted about 35 seconds. And
Originally Posted By: FSO
is the rate of development still too slow?

Definitely.
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#2194071 - 12/07/13 04:06 PM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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Aww ^_^ Thank you; at least I can trust you to be brutally honest....I really appreciate your continuation of the time...lasting....ness....and aww frown I guess sometimes we (I) have to accept there are things that we (I) simply cannot perceive about how tremendously slow I (we...no...) are/am....so...thank you smile frown laugh
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#2194083 - 12/07/13 04:24 PM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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Just for a bit of perspective - the first two minutes could be condensed into ten seconds. As it is, there is far too much time and far too little material.
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#2194107 - 12/07/13 05:04 PM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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I thought you only listened to 35 seconds? wink Thank you...but still, I can't help that half of me that thinks: yes...but....but...establish the ostinato before *wah*. Seriously, I think I'm just far too patient for this music malarky; I don't feel the need to rush anything...like...ever. So...um...if everyone else would take ten seconds I might take as many minutes. I remember being told, actually, "your music never changes; only someone *already* in a deep trance could bear listen to it". Whilst I recognise that that's a *tad* over dramatic, um, the point is clear and well established; I have serious pacing issues...it's why I need help...thank you smile
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#2194209 - 12/07/13 09:09 PM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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What if it were played in such a way that the RH ostinato were much quieter? All the interesting stuff is in the other voice. I don't think it's too slow, at least not slower than Satie or for heaven's sake Feldman. It obviously has a good overall structure; you're not just floundering or repeating due to lack of material. I do think over-emphasizing the unchanging ostinato makes it sound more boring than it is.
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#2194427 - 12/08/13 09:28 AM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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Oh dear. Well...I suppose I have to laugh grin It...*sounds* more boring than it is? laugh I get your point...and I get Polypoo's point...urgh smile Why does music have to be so darn illogically opaque and logically transparent....I can't recall looking at a painting and thinking "it looks more boring than it is" grin Thank you hreichgott....your contribution has proven invaluable.
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#2194486 - 12/08/13 12:14 PM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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It's kind of like, "It's not what you say but how you say it" kind of comment. The idea is one thing, but the presentation of the idea is just as important. Sorry, I didn't get the chance to listen much yet but had to comment on that. smile

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#2194496 - 12/08/13 12:41 PM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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I skipped around in this and there are some interesting parts, where you start playing with the diminished chords in the left hand and some unidentifiable (to me) dissonances especially. I do want to emphasize that I think the contrast between these parts and the more consonant parts makes both of them stronger.

To be honest looking at the length really discouraged me from listening straight through, especially because the motive is so slow. I also got the sense that despite being an improvisation there is an overall arc to this piece, which is good. However skipping around I only discerned two basic themes, one consonant, a bit sad, yet hopeful, and the other dissonant, despaired, and passionate. If this an accurate assessment I do think you could benefit from condensing this into a 2 to 5 minute piece because you can certainly cycle between these themes two or three times with interesting variations. Or, condense this whole idea into a smaller part of a larger piece (it could work as an introduction, gradually building, a middle, a sort of calm break, or an outro, gradually fading away or even climaxing into one final explosion).

The comment you make about having to be in a trance is quite relevant to how I perceive your state of mind during this improvisation. Every so often I create similar improvisations where I really get lost in a simple (usually new) idea and can float around in it for a long time... certainly longer than twenty minutes. However I rarely record these sessions because while I am feeling very good creating them (sometimes just the very sound of piano is beautiful enough that harmonic variation, etc becomes irrelevant) they are boring to listen to. However often these sessions will inform a later, more logically cohesive piece or section of a piece.

What I am getting at, I suppose, is that these improvisations might make for excellent learning experiences for you and producing them is enjoyable (meditative, really). You can use this recording to gather ideas for a piece, but as it stands I do not feel is a particularly engaging composition.

But that's me--everybody likes different music!

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#2243098 - 03/08/14 11:31 AM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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Hello FSO -- been a while since you've been here! Miss you, and hope things are all right!

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#2243465 - 03/09/14 05:54 AM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: Mark_C]
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Originally Posted By: Mark_C
Hello FSO -- been a while since you've been here! Miss you, and hope things are all right!

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#2243876 - 03/09/14 08:33 PM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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Apparently she uploaded something to her YouTube channel 10 days ago, so hopefully she is just busy...
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#2249028 - 03/19/14 07:10 PM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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It seems FSO is back online.
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#2249418 - 03/20/14 11:10 AM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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You'll have to excuse my newbness, I really liked 10:22->10:50. It's not much of a departure from
what you were doing before, but it filled it in more, or faster... not quite sure.

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#2249789 - 03/21/14 12:48 AM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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Urgh...*must* you make me feel so bad for going AWOL? laugh I find your concern sweet and lovely...really! <3 I'm fine enough and sorry to have given you reason to think on my absence at all... frown Um...I've just been super busy...practicing... >.> laugh So...yes, sorry, thank you and I'll try to stop being so rubbish smile And if you'll spare me the same courtesy, I'll always excuse your newbness ShiverMeTimbres, ta smile
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#2290319 - 06/16/14 04:38 AM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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Hi FSO, I enjoyed listening. Something to be aware of is that some music is very private, so that in experiencing it a particular attunement is needed for full appreciation such as with late Liszt, late Beethoven, some Busoni and Stanchinsky. Other music is much more public - rather than needing an audience already attuned to it, it much more tunes the audience in such as with Prokofiev, earlier and middle Beethoven and the most popular Liszt. Maybe with what you do it is more important that the music find the right audience than for it to be redesigned to try and guarantee it more frequently will be liked? Only you know the answer!

The ostinato reminds me of some music from Liszt's oratorio Die Legende von der Heiligen Elisabeth.

I've been away as well, for eleven months, and am catching up some this morning to see what was missed. Unfortunately there only are topics in this forum which date back through March of this year - perhaps this is for the best as I have much piano practice to do today.

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#2292372 - 06/19/14 10:34 PM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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Ta smile To be honest, I'd wondered where you'd wandered to...I don't know how you could bear just..sitting, reading through a past you've not lived for *too* long. Um...I agree, some music *is* a tad more exclusive in terms of its appreciability (to say nothing of "complexity" or "sophistication", of course, or goodness or any other synonomic {?} variation on a positive measure of value); private. I suppose...in many ways, the further removed one is from a genre (or time period, nationality, composer, even form) the less likely one is to appreciate the privateness...um...like Russian music; it's derived from a different harmonic system, with different value for asymmetrical forms, and so, to more Western ears, some dear composers I adore very, very much get less attention than they aught. Um...comparatively, I think it no trial to evade frequency in my displays' likedness laugh I mean...I suppose I *am* simply looking for a way to reconcile the privateness with the less so inclined, um, to merge the subjective into the objective, I suppose...it helps to be reminded once in a while that it's simply impossible smile So thank you; though I'm unsure truly to what extent we *can* consciously affect our voice, um, it's nice to hear that my attitude towards "artistry" does not wander alone laugh There are pianists for concert platforms and pianists for drawing rooms...and perhaps we have natures that direct us towards such forms. Or perhaps we don't smile But certainly there are limitations on certain modes of expression that may decry their intent...hmm...hmm.. laugh I hope your time away has proven fruitful beyond its months smile
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#2292397 - 06/20/14 01:05 AM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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Hello FSO,
I just listened to your improvisation. Thanks, I enjoyed your piece.

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#2292553 - 06/20/14 01:01 PM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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Originally Posted By: FSO
It...*sounds* more boring than it is? I can't recall looking at a painting and thinking "it looks more boring than it is"


Reminds me of the Mark Twain anecdote, where he saw a Wagner opera while traveling through Europe, and commented, "Wagner's music is . . . . not as bad as it sounds."
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#2292554 - 06/20/14 01:02 PM Re: Seriously? *Another* improvisation? [Re: FSO]
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By the way, Fluttershy, I like the pacing. I think it works.
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