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#2250337 - 03/22/14 06:47 AM Am I cheating, or am I analyzing?
ShiverMeTimbres Offline
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Registered: 02/08/14
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I started to do something recently.

I take whatever piece of music I am working on. Photocopy it out of my book and then review it.

I'm starting to note down intervals by putting a small x between the two notes that have the skip.

I haven't started to do it for any other intervals (yet).

But is this common?

Edit Note: And yes, this has improved my speed of picking up that piece.


Edited by ShiverMeTimbres (03/22/14 06:48 AM)

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#2250339 - 03/22/14 07:05 AM Re: Am I cheating, or am I analyzing? [Re: ShiverMeTimbres]
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I'd say: do whatever works for you.

I have always been told never to write note names in a score. I can see how writing down *every* name of *every* note in *every* score would be detrimental to one's reading ability. However, I've found that writing a note name in a score here and there is helping me recognise those same notes more quickly in other scores, and in other places within the same score. The thing that every music teacher told me would destroy my ability to read, is actually one of the few things that's helping me learn!

Don't worry about whether what you're doing with the intervals is "cheating" or not. It helps you, so you do it. End of discussion, as far as I'm concerned.

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#2250345 - 03/22/14 07:28 AM Re: Am I cheating, or am I analyzing? [Re: ShiverMeTimbres]
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What ever you do now is probably just an aid and nothing permanent and if it is helping why not. It would appear to be the beginning of an analysis method that you should aspire to.
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#2250357 - 03/22/14 08:02 AM Re: Am I cheating, or am I analyzing? [Re: ShiverMeTimbres]
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The positive thing about this is that essentially you are doing an exercise that makes you aware of one element of theory - intervals - and meshing the practical with the theoretical. If you use it as a crutch to circumvent reading (up two, down one) then in the long run it wouldn't be good. But as an awareness exercise it's good. Why not expand it by printing out more copies, and mark other things you notice about the music such as phrasing, chords, repeated patterns and so forth.

Advanced musicians do study the score to understand it. Part of reading music involves anticipating what comes next, by recognizing patterns. This also helps in interpreting it.

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It would appear to be the beginning of an analysis method that you should aspire to.

Said much better than I tried. thumb


Edited by keystring (03/22/14 08:02 AM)

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#2250364 - 03/22/14 08:19 AM Re: Am I cheating, or am I analyzing? [Re: ShiverMeTimbres]
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Bet you don`t delete the hard to reach notes (usually on chords) that don`t appreciably (IMO) add to the music . . .
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#2250377 - 03/22/14 08:54 AM Re: Am I cheating, or am I analyzing? [Re: ShiverMeTimbres]
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I think you're doing great. Analysis reveals theory.
Right now I'm studying chords in a way to recognize those chords that the intervals are making up. I"m playing simpler music that has intervals instead of chords. Easy to find simple music that does this for you. Watch for the chords written at the top of the treble staff. Can also learn what notes in the treble staff indicate what chord you should have in the bass staff. It's all very revealing. It's much fun learning chords like this.
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#2250400 - 03/22/14 09:44 AM Re: Am I cheating, or am I analyzing? [Re: ShiverMeTimbres]
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I've found that analyzing a piece, looking for music pattern, repetitive or variations on the theme. This has helped me quite a bit.
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#2250413 - 03/22/14 10:27 AM Re: Am I cheating, or am I analyzing? [Re: ShiverMeTimbres]
Andy Platt Offline
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Fantastic! As you progress you'll find some things you don't bother with, and other things you'll keep or extend. Wish I could do this - I always get that disapproving look from the teacher when I haven't properly analyzed a new piece!!!
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#2250692 - 03/22/14 08:43 PM Re: Am I cheating, or am I analyzing? [Re: Saranoya]
Brian Lucas Offline
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Yes, you're cheating. Hand over your piano card immediately!

No, in truth I think you're analyzing because it's new. When it becomes cheating is if you continue to do it on every piece the same way with no improvement. At some point it stops becoming analysis and starts to be a crutch. I think you'll know when that time is. Hopefully the recognition will become so automatic that you'll see no need to make a note of it. It's also not the speed of THAT piece you're looking at, it's the speed of the NEXT piece.

Originally Posted By: Saranoya
I have always been told never to write note names in a score. I can see how writing down *every* name of *every* note in *every* score would be detrimental to one's reading ability. However, I've found that writing a note name in a score here and there is helping me recognise those same notes more quickly in other scores, and in other places within the same score. The thing that every music teacher told me would destroy my ability to read, is actually one of the few things that's helping me learn!
This again depends on your method of learning. I don't let students write the note names in but it's because I want them to learn my method of reading. I use target notes. So instead, I allow them to circle target notes or label them, but no other notes. And I don't even like them to do that for too long. For me it's like never learning people's names because you know they'll always have name tags on. Any little thing like that should be used to aid the brain to figure something out. If you've done the same thing for a number of pieces and your speed isn't improving, it might be more of a crutch. I always say that most students can read any note if you give them enough time. The trick is fast identification.
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