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#2252616 - 03/26/14 06:19 PM Yamaha P105 or YDP161
nc liz Offline
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Registered: 03/26/14
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Hi all,
First time to this forum!
My daughter is graduating from college in May (YAY!) and has a job and will be moving to an apartment (another big YAY!) She has asked for a digital piano for her graduation present. I don't think she cares about all the bells and whistles, just wants to be able to play the piano. I would call her an intermediate player. She has been playing on our Estonia grand piano for the past nine years. I was all set on getting her the Yamaha P105 and when I went to the store, they had a YDP161, which they said they would give me for $1000, since it was the floor model and they have gone to the YDP162. The P105 is $700. Is there that big of a difference in the two? I know they have the same number of polyphony (128). The keys felt about the same to me. I know the 161 has larger speakers. They didn't have a P155 to try. Not sure I could talk my husband into spending that much anyway. Would love some expert advice on this. Thanks!

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#2252622 - 03/26/14 06:33 PM Re: Yamaha P105 or YDP161 [Re: nc liz]
toddy Offline
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The YDP161 is a much better keyboard action. It is the one that has been used on mid-range Yamaha digital pianos (Clavinovas) for years. Also the sound will be more convincing due to the better speakers and more substantial frame, which also makes the whole thing a little more piano-like.

So I'd say the 161 is worth the difference, yes. You could try to bargain him down a little though - no harm in trying - offer $850 cash, say....
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#2252640 - 03/26/14 07:19 PM Re: Yamaha P105 or YDP161 [Re: nc liz]
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YDP161, it is much better than the P105. I would take the YDP161 if they provide the warranty same as brand new.
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#2252652 - 03/26/14 07:33 PM Re: Yamaha P105 or YDP161 [Re: nc liz]
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Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: nc liz
Hi all,
First time to this forum!
My daughter is graduating from college in May (YAY!) and has a job and will be moving to an apartment (another big YAY!) She has asked for a digital piano for her graduation present. I don't think she cares about all the bells and whistles, just wants to be able to play the piano. I would call her an intermediate player. She has been playing on our Estonia grand piano for the past nine years. I was all set on getting her the Yamaha P105 and when I went to the store, they had a YDP161, which they said they would give me for $1000, since it was the floor model and they have gone to the YDP162. The P105 is $700. Is there that big of a difference in the two? I know they have the same number of polyphony (128). The keys felt about the same to me. I know the 161 has larger speakers. They didn't have a P155 to try. Not sure I could talk my husband into spending that much anyway. Would love some expert advice on this. Thanks!


Surprised you thought the keys felt the same. The YDP-161 is listed as having the GH action compared to the inferior GHS action of the P105. I have a GHS action Yamaha at home and generally use a GH action Yamaha digital at a piano class and the one at the class feels a lot better. More authentic and easier to play on too.

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#2252661 - 03/26/14 07:46 PM Re: Yamaha P105 or YDP161 [Re: Enthusiast]
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I had the P105 briefly- (had a P95 prior and got greedy and sold the 95 for a 105)

I found on several of them that the casing made a creaking noise on the right hand side. It wasn't the action that bothered me but I felt the response was too "jumpy" on the keyboard. It just didn't seem to play a softly when I wanted it to.

Oddly enough, I think the P35 is a better item. No creaking and a bit of a darker sound.

YDP 161/162's- I think they are both great high quality instruments.
However, as they are consoles it seems they might require some asssembly perhaps to get into the apartment?

I would encourage you to look at the new P255 by Yamaha- has GH as well and weighs 36-38 pounds
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#2252671 - 03/26/14 08:09 PM Re: Yamaha P105 or YDP161 [Re: Enthusiast]
nc liz Offline
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Registered: 03/26/14
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The specs the dealer gave me show the P105 has GHS action.

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#2252675 - 03/26/14 08:10 PM Re: Yamaha P105 or YDP161 [Re: nc liz]
nc liz Offline
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Registered: 03/26/14
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Sorry, Enthusiast. I misread your post. So, the GH is better than GHS? I am all so new to this. Trying to research as best as I can. Really appreciate everyone's input.

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#2252681 - 03/26/14 08:17 PM Re: Yamaha P105 or YDP161 [Re: nc liz]
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YDP 161/162 by all means. The GH key action is MUCH better than the GHS and your daughter will have much more satisfaction from the 161.

To put it a bit too drastically: The P105 is a toy, the YDP 161 is a musical instrument. (Or, to be more precise, comes close to it, at least.) An alternative to the YDP 161/162 in stage piano form would be the P155/P255.

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#2252708 - 03/26/14 09:12 PM Re: Yamaha P105 or YDP161 [Re: nc liz]
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Registered: 05/04/13
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Loc: UK
Originally Posted By: nc liz
Sorry, Enthusiast. I misread your post. So, the GH is better than GHS? I am all so new to this. Trying to research as best as I can. Really appreciate everyone's input.


Yes that's what I meant. I often go from the GHS action on my home digital to the GH action digital at that class. The GH action feels more like an acoustic and I also found it easier to play on compared with what I have at home. It's something to do with the key weight and spacing I guess but I felt I had more margin for error on the GH action. Also it's significantly easier to play at the back of the keys on the GH action compared with the GHS, which is as it is on an acoustic.

I'm not so fond of the sound though but the one I use at class is a different model (CLP 320) just with the same action as the YDP-161


Edited by Enthusiast (03/26/14 09:15 PM)

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#2252876 - 03/27/14 08:29 AM Re: Yamaha P105 or YDP161 [Re: nc liz]
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Loc: Oregon
I would like to throw a small wrench in the works (spanner if you're in the UK or Down Under). You might want to consider the Kawai ES100 as well. It is a fairly new model that has what is generally regarded as a significantly better action than Yamaha's GHS, and at least on a par with GH. It has 88-note sampling (every key has a discrete sample associated with it, as opposed to every 3 or 4 with Yamaha), greater polyphony (192-note), and it falls nicely into your budget at $799. Sound is a personal preference, of course, but I doubt if you would find it any less appealing than the Yamaha piano sound, although the speakers are not terribly powerful. The downside is that you won't find it in stores and would need to order online from a vendor such as Sweetwater or Kraft.
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#2254806 - 03/31/14 12:07 PM Re: Yamaha P105 or YDP161 [Re: nc liz]
nc liz Offline
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Registered: 03/26/14
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I decided to go for the YDP161. I did get a lower price, offering to pay by check and they also included a brand new three year warranty. Thank you all for your advice and suggestions. I think my daughter will be thrilled!

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#2254814 - 03/31/14 12:21 PM Re: Yamaha P105 or YDP161 [Re: nc liz]
toddy Offline
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Registered: 09/30/11
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Loc: Portugal
That is good news. I hope she loves it!
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