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#2257947 - 04/07/14 01:37 AM Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand
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Hello everyone,
I bought a Yamaha AvantGrand N1 for the real grand piano action. After having it for some time, I find neither of the Yamaha AvantGrand's two built-in piano sounds to be particularly inspiring and want to set it up so when I press a key, it plays sound from the Galaxy Vintage D Virtual Piano Library. Is there a way I can hook up my (powerful) computer to the piano so its sound will be replaced by the Vintage D when I play? If so, how, please? Thank you in advance for your help.

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#2257953 - 04/07/14 02:13 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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This may be of assistance. When your computer (and Vintage D) is connected to your piano via USB and computer headphone output, does both the N1 and Vintage D play together through the piano speakers? This happens on my piano (it`s not an N1 but is a Yamaha.)

If you have memory settings for easy access of the different sounds then assign one of them to your N1 having reduced the volume level to zero in the registration set up. You`ll hear only the Vintage D then. If you want to play the N1 by itself, mute the computer and choose a different memory, or the default position.

Hope this helps. Works for me.


Edited by peterws (04/07/14 07:09 AM)
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#2257954 - 04/07/14 02:20 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
Hideki Matsui Offline
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Originally Posted By: bernpiano
Hello everyone,
I bought a Yamaha AvantGrand N1 for the real grand piano action. After having it for some time, I find neither of the Yamaha AvantGrand's two built-in piano sounds to be particularly inspiring and want to set it up so when I press a key, it plays sound from the Galaxy Vintage D Virtual Piano Library. Is there a way I can hook up my (powerful) computer to the piano so its sound will be replaced by the Vintage D when I play? If so, how, please? Thank you in advance for your help.


The one fundamental problem you will have is that Yamaha N series uses a multichannel signal. They recorded the sample from multiple positions and the DSP processes those discrete channels and plays them back through the multichannel speaker system. Software pianos are recorded in stereo, so I'm not sure if the DSP will play that back through the speaker system in a way that sounds right.

Also, I always had a problem playing software pianos through the Clavinova I owned. I got static in the sound. I thought it might have been a ground loop. I tried some DI boxes in the chain and that didn't work either. I just gave up trying, but I think it was just something about my setup.

I played the N series extensively before deciding on my Roland LX-15e. The actions on the N series were great, but I did have some reservations about the quality of the underlying samples and sound engine.


Edited by Hideki Matsui (04/07/14 02:26 AM)
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#2257973 - 04/07/14 04:00 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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Originally Posted By: bernpiano
Hello everyone,
I bought a Yamaha AvantGrand N1 for the real grand piano action. After having it for some time, I find neither of the Yamaha AvantGrand's two built-in piano sounds to be particularly inspiring and want to set it up so when I press a key, it plays sound from the Galaxy Vintage D Virtual Piano Library. Is there a way I can hook up my (powerful) computer to the piano so its sound will be replaced by the Vintage D when I play? If so, how, please? Thank you in advance for your help.


Easy,

You connect the Yamaha's midi out to soundcard's midi in. Use the midi connections because the midi thru usb is subject to ground loops.
Then you connect the soundcard's audio out to the Yamaha's line in.
With a right setting of gain in on the piano and volume out on the sound card you should have good results.
Don't forget to set the "Local sound" to OFF.

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#2257979 - 04/07/14 04:14 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: stamkorg]
Hideki Matsui Offline
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What does the N1's DSP do with the stereo signal? Does it convert it to a multichannel signal or does it just bypass certain speakers and play it back in simple stereo?

Originally Posted By: stamkorg
Originally Posted By: bernpiano
Hello everyone,
I bought a Yamaha AvantGrand N1 for the real grand piano action. After having it for some time, I find neither of the Yamaha AvantGrand's two built-in piano sounds to be particularly inspiring and want to set it up so when I press a key, it plays sound from the Galaxy Vintage D Virtual Piano Library. Is there a way I can hook up my (powerful) computer to the piano so its sound will be replaced by the Vintage D when I play? If so, how, please? Thank you in advance for your help.


Easy,

You connect the Yamaha's midi out to soundcard's midi in. Use the midi connections because the midi thru usb is subject to ground loops.
Then you connect the soundcard's audio out to the Yamaha's line in.
With a right setting of gain in on the piano and volume out on the sound card you should have good results.
Don't forget to set the "Local sound" to OFF.
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#2257981 - 04/07/14 04:35 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Originally Posted By: Hideki Matsui
What does the N1's DSP do with the stereo signal? Does it convert it to a multichannel signal or does it just bypass certain speakers and play it back in simple stereo?

Originally Posted By: stamkorg
Originally Posted By: bernpiano
Hello everyone,
I bought a Yamaha AvantGrand N1 for the real grand piano action. After having it for some time, I find neither of the Yamaha AvantGrand's two built-in piano sounds to be particularly inspiring and want to set it up so when I press a key, it plays sound from the Galaxy Vintage D Virtual Piano Library. Is there a way I can hook up my (powerful) computer to the piano so its sound will be replaced by the Vintage D when I play? If so, how, please? Thank you in advance for your help.


Easy,

You connect the Yamaha's midi out to soundcard's midi in. Use the midi connections because the midi thru usb is subject to ground loops.
Then you connect the soundcard's audio out to the Yamaha's line in.
With a right setting of gain in on the piano and volume out on the sound card you should have good results.
Don't forget to set the "Local sound" to OFF.


No idea, the result will probably be a stereo signal, but in Pianoteq for example, you can set the microphones where you want. You can spacialise the sound so it is not a problem. There is so mch to customize the sound.

It is a good option. Try to play Gymnopedie 3, 5th measure, A5 and A2 together, on my HP-507 the A5 cuts immediately. On Pianoteq the resonance is so long and rich, closer to an acoustic for me. It is worth a try


Edited by stamkorg (04/07/14 04:37 AM)

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#2257984 - 04/07/14 04:59 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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Hello
I have a N2, and even if I like the internal sound via the speaker system, I get bored of it, and wanted to 'change' it
First thing to do is to change the touch sensitivity from Normal to light
=> it does not alter the sensation you have, but it changes the sound.
Second thing to check is the sound volume : to perform correctly, you must push the sound volume above 20%
Third is to check the way you placed your piano (wall, carpets etc..) => this can also drastically alter the sound

If after that, you still want to connect a VST, you have 3 options
1. disabling internal sound and using only the VST sound
=> Then you lose the multichannel capability (and the TRS in my case)
=> You loose also dynamic as the MIDI output values are far less 'accurate' than the internal value
=> I did not found this solution really good.

2. Mixing with internal speaker the internal sound with VST sound (you have to choose the right balance)
=> quite good compromise, but you have to correctly tune your VST to make the blend 'perfect'..not so easy
more other, be carfule about the latency
But then you keep the extremely good internal dynamic (+ TRS in my case)

3. (the solution I have chosen) : I have added two external monitors playing the VST
=> The sound is a mix between internal sound via the internal speaker and external sound via the monitors
by placing them correctly, you can even 'enlarge' the sound...

I think the last option is the best one, and I get a really really good result

There is another option: you can also add a mixing table connected to the DP output, and the mixing output liniked back to the DP input
=> thus, you can change tonality of the internal sound (make it brigther) and mixing the 'changed sound' with the internal sound (do no disable internal control)
=> you still get the benefit of the 6 way speaker.

Hope this can help finding a solution to improve this wonderful DP
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#2258008 - 04/07/14 06:31 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: enzo.sandrolini]
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Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini
Hello
I have a N2, and even if I like the internal sound via the speaker system, I get bored of it, and wanted to 'change' it


I like the internal sounds of my N2, but the other day I forgot to open lid and realized I also liked the muffled sounds. The N2 has an opening above piano lid so Yamaha clearly wanted the player to be able to play the N2 with the lid shut.

Try it, I'd like to hear what you think.
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#2258018 - 04/07/14 06:58 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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So, whether the noise-gate exists or not, running VST's through the AvantGrand's internal speakers produces less-than-optimal results. Adding monitors, mixing boards etc. sort of defeats the purpose of an all-in-one set up. At the price of the AvantGrand, one should be able to get great results from the on-board speakers. The GranTouch (a much older hybrid) supposedly produces great results when paired with virtual pianos, yet the AvantGrand doesn't? What is wrong with Yamaha?

The CLP990 uses a phenomenal (Kawai-like) action, yet the newer Clavinovas use a folded contraption that is -by all means- inferior. They got rid of 88-key sampling (Clavinova) for a decade, and now re-introduced it as if it were state-of-the-art technology.

The DGT7 is still selling (Ebay-$5,000); honestly, I'd go for that instrument over an AvantGrand. It's a beautiful instrument, and if you pair it with pianoteq 5 (not yet released), you'd definetly have a state-of-the-art instrument/set-up despite its age (released back in the late 90's).

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#2258021 - 04/07/14 07:11 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: 36251]
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Originally Posted By: 36251


I like the internal sounds of my N2, but the other day I forgot to open lid and realized I also liked the muffled sounds. The N2 has an opening above piano lid so Yamaha clearly wanted the player to be able to play the N2 with the lid shut.

Try it, I'd like to hear what you think.

Hello,
I also play often the lid shut, and I like it but then I change internal voice to the second piano voice
I find it is great lid shut, whilst the 1st voice is too muffled lid shut

I think the overall AvantGrand furniture makes really the DP 'live'...far far better than any monitor or external speaker
It is the reason why in the solution I have chosen, I still keep internal sound and just 'back' them with external VST sound

I know they are lot of detractor to the AvantGrand, but I can ensure they are such great instrument..
Ok VST sound are better, but the AG is in any case, much more 'live'...like a real thing

I prefer playing internal sound of the AG via the internal speaker than playing VST with headphones...
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#2258023 - 04/07/14 07:15 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: Pete14]
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Originally Posted By: Pete14
So, whether the noise-gate exists or not, running VST's through the AvantGrand's internal speakers produces less-than-optimal results. Adding monitors, mixing boards etc. sort of defeats the purpose of an all-in-one set up. At the price of the AvantGrand, one should be able to get great results from the on-board speakers. The GranTouch (a much older hybrid) supposedly produces great results when paired with virtual pianos, yet the AvantGrand doesn't? What is wrong with Yamaha?

The CLP990 uses a phenomenal (Kawai-like) action, yet the newer Clavinovas use a folded contraption that is -by all means- inferior. They got rid of 88-key sampling (Clavinova) for a decade, and now re-introduced it as if it were state-of-the-art technology.

The DGT7 is still selling (Ebay-$5,000); honestly, I'd go for that instrument over an AvantGrand. It's a beautiful instrument, and if you pair it with pianoteq 5 (not yet released), you'd definetly have a state-of-the-art instrument/set-up despite its age (released back in the late 90's).


I think pairing any Dp with VST gives poor results in terms of dynamic than internal sound (except VPC1 which I own also)
All DP are best calibrated for internal sound

Moreover, like I said in my other response, the furniture of the AG are really important in the sound immersion
It makes the DP to be live

The solution you propose 'DGT7' is perhaps better, but not feasible at all in my case (matter of place AND neighbours)

Anyway, AG are greatest DP I have ever played (and I have played almost all current DP brand)


Edited by enzo.sandrolini (04/07/14 07:20 AM)
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#2258031 - 04/07/14 08:01 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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@enzo, in terms of pure fidelity (sound quality) how do you rate/compare a virtual piano over the internal sound (on-board speakers only)?
In terms of dynamic control, latency, and other issues related to overall playability, virtual pianos are getting better, but perhaps there is a slight advantage when using an internal sound calibrated to a specific action. As you mentioned, the VPC1 is closing that gap (approved velocity curves etc.).

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#2258044 - 04/07/14 08:26 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: enzo.sandrolini]
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Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini

I also play often the lid shut, and I like it but then I change internal voice to the second piano voice
I find it is great lid shut


I use both, but agree the 2nd voice that sounds bright with lid open, sounds very nice with lid closed.
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#2258066 - 04/07/14 10:11 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: stamkorg]
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Originally Posted By: stamkorg


No idea, the result will probably be a stereo signal, but in Pianoteq for example, you can set the microphones where you want. You can spacialise the sound so it is not a problem. There is so mch to customize the sound.

It is a good option. Try to play Gymnopedie 3, 5th measure, A5 and A2 together, on my HP-507 the A5 cuts immediately. On Pianoteq the resonance is so long and rich, closer to an acoustic for me. It is worth a try


"Spacializing" a stereo signal still won't tell a DSP that is programmed to receive multiple discreet channels, what to do with that stereo signal. I'm sure some decent results are possible, but the architecture of the N1 is setup for a carefully calibrated multichannel input.

I'm not sure about the 507, but on the LX-15e, I really don't hear any issues with shortened resonances. I do own Pianoteq, but I also think it has a very strange timbre that just doesn't very real.
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#2258068 - 04/07/14 10:17 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: 36251]
Hideki Matsui Offline
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Originally Posted By: 36251
Originally Posted By: enzo.sandrolini

I also play often the lid shut, and I like it but then I change internal voice to the second piano voice
I find it is great lid shut


I use both, but agree the 2nd voice that sounds bright with lid open, sounds very nice with lid closed.


Multichannel DPs like the Ns and the LX-15e that also have a physical lid in their design are significantly affected by opening or closing the lid. Much like a real acoustic, it can really change the sound heard by the player and in the room. I wish more home DPs utilized this type of design in conjunction with editable lid parameters.
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#2258912 - 04/09/14 12:27 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: peterws]
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peterws,
Thank you for your rapid reply. In relation to stamkorg's reply, I will be sure to turn Local Control off so both sounds will not be heard simultaneously. I will also try your instructions as they represent another strategy for accomplishing the same objective.

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#2258913 - 04/09/14 12:28 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: stamkorg]
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stamkorg,
Thank you very much for providing clear and concise instructions for accomplishing the desired goal and for posting back so quickly.

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#2258925 - 04/09/14 01:05 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: Hideki Matsui]
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Hideki Matsui -
Thank you for providing some considerations on trying to do what I've set out to accomplish. I will try and let everyone know how it goes.

enzo.sandrolini,
I’m glad to hear it’s not just me, and that another member of our forum has found the same thing as I have and has worked hard toward a solution. I appreciate your providing multiple solutions - even some less-than-preferable ones to get a more complete perspective on various options. I did try changing the touch sensitivity, which I found helped bring out the differences between light and heavy touch. Solution #3 sounds especially intriguing, and I may be in further touch with you on this, though I will try a more basic setup first. I like the thoughtfulness of the last option you presented in that you still get the benefit of the 6-way speaker. It's clear you've really thought through this and spent much time creating your optimal setup, an exciting quest that I will now be embarking on as well. Finally, I'd never heard of the VPC1, but upon looking further and seeing some YouTube videos, I've become extremely interested in trying it out.

36251, I would try what you said, but unfortunately I do not have the N2, only the N1. I appreciate your thinking of another way to try to get a better sound out of the piano.

Pete14, thank you for your detailed reply. I was intrigued by the CLP990 based on your post. I'd tried some Clavinovas prior to considering the AvantGrands and found they didn't cut the mustard by far, but upon reading your post on the CLP990 and researching it further, it looks like it may have been suitable for me. Though in purchasing the AvantGrand I sought a true grand piano action so I could improve my technique, in reading up a bit, it seems the CLP990 had a more nuanced weighted action than other Clavinovas. In any case, though I’m not too hopeful based on initial findings, I will be looking to see if there's a place I can check it out, if only to compare. Also, I hadn't thought of looking at a DGT7. I am curious why you say you'd go with it over an AvantGrand. Is it only because you'd get everything you'd look to get out of an AvantGrand but for a cheaper price, or are there aspects of the DGT7 you find superior to the AvantGrand? I’m really interested on your thoughts here. Enzo, by the way, it looks like you can play DGT7 with headphones so not sure of the reason you mentioned it wasn’t under your consideration due to neighbors. Just curious here to see if that piano is a viable option in an apartment like mine (was going to say “in a flat,” like many posters here – European terminology is so cool!!).

Everyone - this was my first time posting to the PianoWorld forum. Before posting, in trying to be a "good" member of the forum, I tried to find the answer on Google and other threads but to no avail. I was so pleasantly stunned to find so many thoughtful, engaged replies so soon after posting and am truly ecstatic such a vibrant and caring community exists. I look forward to “giving back” by participating as much as possible to help others on the forum and thank you sincerely for your thoughts and advice.

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#2259111 - 04/09/14 12:28 PM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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@bernpiano, compared specifically to the N1, the DGT7 has, in my opinion, several advantages: the price, proven compatibility with virtual pianos, real grand piano cabinet, and a very good sound system.

If you were to use the AvantGrand as a controller, you'd only be able to get stereo (4-channels only for internal sound); so it would be no better than the DGT7's stereo system.

The DGT7's three-way system x 2 (Low, Mid, High) takes advantage of its respective placement; Basically facing upwards. The resulting sound bounces off of the lid; this, in my opinion, creates more realistic resonances (similar to a real grand). If you change the lid position, the sound (projection) will change as well.

As far as the action goes, I've not heard of any significant improvements on the AvantGrand vs. the Grantouch.

For the record, there's a DGT7 now going for $3,500 on Ebay.

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#2259217 - 04/09/14 04:15 PM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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I was also thinking about buying used dgt7, BUT
- it has only 32 polyphony... How to play the key-widze passage without loving notes?
- it has only on-off pedal, while today the standard is the countinous sostenuto pedal

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#2259815 - 04/10/14 03:12 PM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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The DGT7 is indeed a nice idea, but there are 3 things that make me still prefer my N2:
- first: the place it takes: impossible for me to have such a big piano (really beautifull that is true..but too big for my flat)
- second: the TRS system: it is really not a gadget. I consider that as a really important functionality as it makes the playing experience so real..
- third: the problem of output dynamic via VST is still there: I am sure the velocity you get from this piano is identical to the one I get from the N2: external midi values are far less accurate than internal (I am sure yamaha does more that interpreting the velocity to trigger internal sound..)

anyway, for the price, it could be really tempting indeed (mostly compared to a N1 in my opinion)
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#2259866 - 04/10/14 04:36 PM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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The TRS feature is very good; I'm all for vibrations and resonances. On the Kawai CA95 the keys do vibrate (to a certain extent); however, one needs to play at a mid to high volume to be able to feel subtle vibrations. With the AvanrGrand N2/3, one can play at low volumes, and still feel the vibrations; which is a nice option for those who cannot play at louder volumes due to neighbor concerns.

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#2259894 - 04/10/14 05:40 PM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: Pete14]
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Originally Posted By: Pete14
The TRS feature is very good; I'm all for vibrations and resonances. On the Kawai CA95 the keys do vibrate (to a certain extent); however, one needs to play at a mid to high volume to be able to feel subtle vibrations. With the AvanrGrand N2/3, one can play at low volumes, and still feel the vibrations; which is a nice option for those who cannot play at louder volumes due to neighbor concerns.

Yep, that is exactly it.
I have owned a CA93, and the vibration are far less than real piano and impose you to play loudly...which is impossible for me.
With TRS, you can even get it playing with headphone
I ensure it is not a gadget as it changes even your perception of the sound (not the sound , but make the sounds live...)
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#2260134 - 04/11/14 08:24 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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It appears the DGT7 and GT2 were replaced by the AvantGrand series. Am I correct? Looking at the specs of the DGT7 and GT2, they are well behind the AvantGrands in sample technology and speaker technology. I could be incorrect but for Bernie, he made the right call for his needs in choosing the AvantGrand. I will probably end up with another N1 soon. I don't see the necessity of going with the more expensive N2/N3 when the action is most important and practicing with headphones is a major priority now with a baby on the way. So the better speaker system and TRS aren't features that I need. I think the N1 cabinet looks a little better than the N2 although I do like how the N2 opens up.

A side note, but when I would get bored with the N1 sounds internally, I would simply midi the Nord Piano to the N1. It quite the experience getting to play the Studio Grand 2 Yamaha C7 sample with a real C series action. smile


Edited by PianoZac (04/11/14 08:27 AM)
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#2260166 - 04/11/14 09:54 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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"I would simply midi the Nord Piano to the N1...."
Did you play the Nord through the N1's on-board speakers? if so, did it sound as good -or close to- as the onboard sound in terms of fidelity?
Some have complained about a "noise-gate", or the end result simply not being very convincing when running virtual instruments through the AvantGrand's on-board speakers.

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#2260177 - 04/11/14 10:22 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: PianoZac]
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Originally Posted By: PianoZac
It appears the DGT7 and GT2 were replaced by the AvantGrand series. Am I correct? Looking at the specs of the DGT7 and GT2, they are well behind the AvantGrands in sample technology and speaker technology. I could be incorrect but for Bernie, he made the right call for his needs in choosing the AvantGrand. I will probably end up with another N1 soon. I don't see the necessity of going with the more expensive N2/N3 when the action is most important and practicing with headphones is a major priority now with a baby on the way. So the better speaker system and TRS aren't features that I need. I think the N1 cabinet looks a little better than the N2 although I do like how the N2 opens up.

A side note, but when I would get bored with the N1 sounds internally, I would simply midi the Nord Piano to the N1. It quite the experience getting to play the Studio Grand 2 Yamaha C7 sample with a real C series action. smile
I thought of N1 at time of purchase, but I didn't care for the depth, almost reminds me of a B3. I can certainly understand that with headphones the N1 will work fine.

I can't fatham how a Nord sample will ever out class the internal samples of the AG, but as I learned recently everybody hears differently. I like the piano samples in AG very much, but like the Vintage D better. I don't think the Vintage D would sound as good using AG system since the internal samples were recorded in four channels and Vintage is just stereo.
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#2262941 - Today at 06:28 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: Pete14]
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Some have complained about a "noise-gate", or the end result simply not being very convincing when running virtual instruments through the AvantGrand's on-board speakers.

We already discussed this point in another thread, when I was on the point to buy my N2
There is no noise gate on my N2
I am currently using the audio input, and I can ensure: no noise gate at all
Either it is a legend (I don't think) or more likely, Yamaha removed it, as this problem has been reported several years ago.
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#2262985 - Today at 09:32 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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That's true; that issue has already been clarifed.
I know the internal sound routed through the 4-channel system will sound better; however, could you say running a virtual piano throuugh the on-board speakers (stereo) produces acceptable results? In other words, if you only had the option of playing a virtual piano through the AvantGrand would you be satisfied?
I ask because I have considered an AvantGrand, or a Grantouch to use solely as a controller (pianoteq 5); however, many have indicated that the end result is not optimal with the AvantGrand; perhaps due to the fact that the 4-channel system is not optimized for a stereo signal (speculating).

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#2262996 - Today at 09:59 AM Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: Pete14]
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I must add that I mix the internal sound with VST sound
Indeed by using only VST sound, you get poor result
But As I said, the internal sound is really good by itself
I just mix it to add some resonnance details .
It is more a 'nice to have'.
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#2263046 - 33 minutes 2 seconds ago Re: Playing Galaxy Vintage D through Avantgrand [Re: bernpiano]
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I suppose the Grantouch would serve my purposes better, after all.
The AvantGrand sounds good; however, I prefer pianoteq; and consequentially, being able to run other virtual pianos; like the Ravenscroft.
The possibility to upgrade -just- the sound every couple of years vs. buying an entirely new piano is also a reason why I'd go with the controller (Grantouch) set-up.
The AvantGrand is still a top contender; that is until Kawai releases their version of a hybrid (grand piano action included). smile

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