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#2260201 - 04/11/14 11:26 AM If you had a couple of grand in your pocket...
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...and you needed to replace a worn out Baldwin 243 in a small church, what would you buy?
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#2260203 - 04/11/14 11:30 AM Re: If you had a couple of grand in your pocket... [Re: Jolly]
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#2260211 - 04/11/14 12:08 PM Re: If you had a couple of grand in your pocket... [Re: Jolly]
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Does the church have a PA system you would be hooking up to, or would it need to have it's own speakers? How small is small? Most DPs with built-in speakers are intended for personal use, so chances are you'd need to add an amp to be heard, depending on the acoustics of the place. If you have a congregation singing with it, then you will definitely need amplification so it will be loud enough for everyone to hear over their own singing.

You really should go test out a few of the top brands out there: Kawai, Yamaha, Roland, Casio. Some things to consider:

-Do you need a nice-looking cabinet, or will a slab-type/stage piano work (the latter looks like a keyboard, the former looks more like an acoustic piano, sorta)

-What style of music will you be playing? Hymns (in which case a nice organ sounds would be good to have), or more contemporary/rock? Will you be playing with a band, or will you want to have features with drum sets to play along with?

-What features are most important to you: a good acoustic-like action, a great piano sound, having lots of other sounds available, ease of use in changes sounds in a live setting?

Lots of other questions to ask here, and the more info you can provide, the better we an help you narrow things down a bit. Each of the major brands offers instruments within the $2k range that are quite good, but they each have things that they are better at than others. So personal preference comes into it quite a bit as well.
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#2260225 - 04/11/14 12:47 PM Re: If you had a couple of grand in your pocket... [Re: Jolly]
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I'd have to agree with Morodiene, more information would help. Since you've asked in the DP forum is there a reason why the church is considering a digital over acoustic? Did they mic the piano? Are you one of the piano players or are you the one assigned the task of finding a replacement? As mentioned they need to be tried out and if you are not one of the musicians who'll be playing it I'd suggest you shop together if possible.

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#2260238 - 04/11/14 01:11 PM Re: If you had a couple of grand in your pocket... [Re: Jolly]
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1. Small church, probably 100 members. About a 70x40 sanctuary, older building without an extremely tall ceiling.

2. Church is full of older members, lot of fixed incomes, is in the black, but barely. They strain to tune and regulate the piano they have, in a timely manner.

3. Music is primarily hymns, but there are some upbeat choir arrangements. Pianist is sometimes accompanied by an organist, sometimes with a couple of guitars, sometimes with a couple of brass instruments, sometimes with a violin. No percussionist.

4. DP can be patched through PA, but also needs some stand-alone capability.

5. An acoustic type touch is important, as is an acoustic-type sound. Multiple tones, background effects, etc. are nice, but not needed.

6. How did I get hung with this? My wife decided to punish me and volunteered my services.
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#2260255 - 04/11/14 01:55 PM Re: If you had a couple of grand in your pocket... [Re: GLR]
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Originally Posted By: GLR
I'd have to agree with Morodiene, more information would help. Since you've asked in the DP forum is there a reason why the church is considering a digital over acoustic? Did they mic the piano? Are you one of the piano players or are you the one assigned the task of finding a replacement? As mentioned they need to be tried out and if you are not one of the musicians who'll be playing it I'd suggest you shop together if possible.


I would second this. Overhaul the piano and if necessary install a mic.

Thomas

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#2260276 - 04/11/14 02:47 PM Re: If you had a couple of grand in your pocket... [Re: Jolly]
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Tuning can add up and to keep on top of it in a church setting, well, I understand completely.

Here are some options for your accompanist to try out. And as GLR mentioned, do shop with your accompanist since he or she will be playing this instrument, it should suit his/her preferences for touch and sound.

In the $2k range:

-Kawai : ES7 is good, but it is a stage piano so you will need to get the stand separately. The CE220 is cabinet style.
-Yamaha: CP4 is good, again for a stage piano, but will need it's own amp or PA system (no on-board speakers). You can buy one of the Ariuses for cabinet style, but just keep in mind your money will be partially going toward the cabinet look
-Casio Privias: you'll be able to come in under budget, feel is OK, sound is OK, on-board speakers
-Roland: FP80, good stage piano, also RD800 but that doesn't have it's own speakers. They do have some cabinet style DPs but I'm not familiar with them. Worth checking out though with your local dealer
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#2260370 - 04/11/14 05:53 PM Re: If you had a couple of grand in your pocket... [Re: Jolly]
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No need to spend that much. A Clav (basic) or HP series Roland would suffice, and be reliable too. Heavy enough to be secure and take the knocks . . .










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#2260462 - 04/11/14 09:37 PM Re: If you had a couple of grand in your pocket... [Re: Jolly]
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I would suggest a portable 'slab' type digital piano with built-in speakers.

For example:

- Yamaha P255
- Kawai ES7
- Roland FP-80

Possible also the Casio PX-350, although this occupies a slightly different segment of the market.

Stand and pedal assembly accessories are also available for all of the above instruments.

Kind regards,
James
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#2260465 - 04/11/14 09:53 PM Re: If you had a couple of grand in your pocket... [Re: Jolly]
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Kawai MP10 is $2000 at Kraftmusic.com right now. It has one of the most realistic actions there are and a beautiful sound.

It does not have a stand or speakers.

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#2260466 - 04/11/14 09:54 PM Re: If you had a couple of grand in your pocket... [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
I would suggest a portable 'slab' type digital piano with built-in speakers.

For example:

- Yamaha P255
- Kawai ES7
- Roland FP-80

Possible also the Casio PX-350, although this occupies a slightly different segment of the market.

Stand and pedal assembly accessories are also available for all of the above instruments.

Kind regards,
James
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I think with the stands that you buy for these they look nice enough, too. Best to spend the money on the actual piano, IMO.
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#2260619 - 04/12/14 09:07 AM Re: If you had a couple of grand in your pocket... [Re: Jolly]
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The Yamaha CP300 is also a good choice. Yes, I know it's on the verge of being discontinued (or already is) but the sound still holds up to the latest Yamaha offerings. Mostly, the onboard speakers are of the best ever built into a stage piano. It's also built like a solid tank. It might be ideal for your situation is the only reason I'm mentioning it. You might be able to still find brand new for under $2,000 or easily find used for much less on eBay or CL.

for example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-CP300-Dig...=item4d1b742ba2
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#2260745 - 04/12/14 04:38 PM Re: If you had a couple of grand in your pocket... [Re: Jolly]
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6. How did I get hung with this? My wife decided to punish me and volunteered my services.


LOL I suspected something to that effect. smile

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